Do power cables make a difference?

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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,086
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    dolbyd wrote: »
    Looks like a Quality cable was used.

    Good eye. The white cable behind the PC is a very nice USB cable going to the DAC.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • mikeyb128
    mikeyb128 Posts: 2,885
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    Speaking of power cords, it is time to go home and power the system on for tomorrow night's listening. :)

    Just installed my new niagara 5000, and the system is fired up and ready to go!
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    Theater:
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  • Tony M
    Tony M Posts: 11,085
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    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Speaking of power cords, it is time to go home and power the system on for tomorrow night's listening. :)

    Just installed my new niagara 5000, and the system is fired up and ready to go!

    :o:o:o NICE!!

    What a device. ( A “Low-Z Power Noise-Dissipation System.” ) B)

    It has a diagram to show which plug from what should go where. B)

    I hope to get one on the used market in about 10 years or more if I live that long. ;)

    I'll bet that conditioner makes a change!
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 494
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    Can someone please kill this thread, it’s gone to the 5417732. Someone said “if I can’t hear the difference then don’t assume someone else can’t.” And I’ll agree with that thinking.

    And if one where spending the coin on equipment in the hundreds of thousands, yes they likely aren’t going to use lamp cord and $9000 power cords are the norm for amps costing $140k.

    I spent a paltry $900 on cables and can’t hear a difference, maybe I just have piss poor equipment and/or poor hearing. I’m keeping the cable upgrades basically because they look pretty and are electrically superior.

    I’m here basically because I’m a big fan of Polk Audio, cost effective high value quality sound. I think there is such a thing as low cost high impact in the audio industry, certainly Andrew Jones knows a thing or two. But for me I draw a line in the sand. Cables are just conductors carrying electrons hopefully properly sized pipes for the current flow for each type of application.
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  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,167
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    You started it :p
    Now tomorrow start an MP3 vs hi-res thread
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,359
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    Tony M wrote: »
    Wasn't there a fad 10+ years ago about putting a quarter on the front inside edge of front speakers to help with something?

    Maybe a felt circle pad?

    Or tracing around the edge of them with a green felt-tip marker?
    I have trouble keeping up with all of them there audiophile tweaks.

    :|
  • FestYboy
    FestYboy Posts: 3,861
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    "Them" meaning CDs?

    I'll poke back in here for just a second because of a post 2? pages ago... The one with the screenshot capture about "difference files".

    This idea truly intrigues me since some subjectiveness can be removed from the equation. Actual bandwidth changes can be observed with this method. Thus can easily be used as "proof".

    *Granted, all ears aren't created equal, and every rig is different, but I opine that the information from the difference files could direct a potential buyer to a narrow group of options that would fit their needs for their system.
  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,359
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    There's a lot of signal processing going on between the source, the reproduction of that source, and the recording of that difference file -- I'm just saying.

    It would bea tad more reassuring if one stayed in one domain (i.e., in this case, digital) but I still wouldn't take this as a gold standard for anything. I'd also be curious as to what sort of objective measurement one would apply to the data in the difference file.

    All of which, I'd say, is just another argument for the philosophy of "one listens with one's ears, so why not make one's choices with one's ears?" :)
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,627
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    tonyb wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Is there any documented measured difference? I've see other threads asking this question and have even asked myself, and I can't recall ever seeing documentation showing an acoustic difference. I know in car audio, you can choke an amp with too small a wire, but in those cases the amps can draw over 200A@14vdc. Any kind of draw like that in a home audio amp happens internally, after the transformer/rectifier.

    Does it matter ? Many things in audio "measure" differently, but still not audible. There are some things that measurements simply can't tell you. Like soundstage width and height, how well it will gel with the rest of your system, clarity and dynamics, decay. All that may not apply to power cables specifically, but do to cables in general.

    Power cables, like all cables, add or subtract from the overall sound. To what degree depends on many variables. Your not going to put a 200 buck power cord on a 400 buck receiver, know what I'm saying ?

    The more revealing your system gets, the more these other changes become more noticeable, and the more they will contribute to the overall sound. Audio, being subjective as it is too, is hard to attach blanket statements to. Just sayin'....because most who deny xyz in audio, either never tried them, never tried them under the right scenarios, or simply have no idea what they are listening for.

    I say "under the right scenarios", because some may just do as I explained with a 200 buck power cord and a 400 buck receiver. The better your system gets, the more power cords can and will make a difference, maybe small, maybe large, depends.

    So you could with total certainty tell a stock cord from a much higher priced premium cord,of your choice, on your system simply from listening, and not having prior knowledge of which was being used?

    (do not need tons of qualifiers, just could you or not?)

  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,359
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    You know (and FWIW) -- I have never, ever decided what to hook to what based on the cost (actual dollar cost or MSRP) of the components in question.

  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,110
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    K_M wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    FestYboy wrote: »
    Is there any documented measured difference? I've see other threads asking this question and have even asked myself, and I can't recall ever seeing documentation showing an acoustic difference. I know in car audio, you can choke an amp with too small a wire, but in those cases the amps can draw over 200A@14vdc. Any kind of draw like that in a home audio amp happens internally, after the transformer/rectifier.

    Does it matter ? Many things in audio "measure" differently, but still not audible. There are some things that measurements simply can't tell you. Like soundstage width and height, how well it will gel with the rest of your system, clarity and dynamics, decay. All that may not apply to power cables specifically, but do to cables in general.

    Power cables, like all cables, add or subtract from the overall sound. To what degree depends on many variables. Your not going to put a 200 buck power cord on a 400 buck receiver, know what I'm saying ?

    The more revealing your system gets, the more these other changes become more noticeable, and the more they will contribute to the overall sound. Audio, being subjective as it is too, is hard to attach blanket statements to. Just sayin'....because most who deny xyz in audio, either never tried them, never tried them under the right scenarios, or simply have no idea what they are listening for.

    I say "under the right scenarios", because some may just do as I explained with a 200 buck power cord and a 400 buck receiver. The better your system gets, the more power cords can and will make a difference, maybe small, maybe large, depends.

    So you could with total certainty tell a stock cord from a much higher priced premium cord,of your choice, on your system simply from listening, and not having prior knowledge of which was being used?

    (do not need tons of qualifiers, just could you or not?)

    Yes

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • motorstereo
    motorstereo Posts: 2,079
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    My take on this....... Set amps do not measure well therefore shouldn't sound good. In spite of that those low powered amps do seem to have quite the following don't they. I've never owned one (someday I will) so until I do I don't consider myself qualified to pass judgement on their sound. Perhaps someone that's never plugged in an aftermarket cord should do the same and reserve their comments yay or nay until they've owned something other than a standard computer cord
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,616
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    My take on this....... Set amps do not measure well therefore shouldn't sound good. In spite of that those low powered amps do seem to have quite the following don't they. I've never owned one (someday I will) so until I do I don't consider myself qualified to pass judgement on their sound. Perhaps someone that's never plugged in an aftermarket cord should do the same and reserve their comments yay or nay until they've owned something other than a standard computer cord

    The "someone" you are referring to doesn't care; she just wants to stir the pot. Look at all of the replies she's received on her statements and comments. How many times does she have to be told to "buy it and try it for yourself?" Yet, here she is, not taking that advice while she just continues to troll & stirs the proverbial pot. ABsolutely ridiculous. Why waste time trying to explain anything to her any further if she clearly isn't interested in an answer (which she's been given!). I say we all do ourselves a huge favor and put @K_M on our individual ignore lists and let her continue to make her comments to herself. That's my $0.02 on her part in this thread.

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,110
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    Her answer as to why not try it for herself, is she really doesn't care. For someone who doesn't care, she sure seems to preach about needing someone else to prove it to her. And that we don't really hear what we hear.

    Sounds like she cares A LOT, based on the amount to time and effort put into bashing others experiences, she herself cares nothing about.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • F1nut
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    mantis wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    mantis wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It doesn't make any logical sense in my mind in regards to how a power cable could make this much of an improvement in stereo imaging. But wow. Crazy.

    They don't make huge differences unless the factory cord is poorly constructed and picking up interference. This is where aftermarket power chords make bigger differences. EMI and RF interference sucks and can ruin your sound quality. Your amp could care less where the signal is coming from. if it comes in then it's in.

    Of course, the amp cares about the electricity coming in. Your comments on the subject matter indicate a lack of understanding.
    You misunderstood my comment, you should read it again. I said nothing about the power coming in, I talked about signal transfer.

    You are not making any sense.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,110
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    K_M wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It doesn't make any logical sense in my mind in regards to how a power cable could make this much of an improvement in stereo imaging. But wow. Crazy.

    I just found this AWSOME chat on Stereophile about Drews (^^^) new power cable. But maybe Drews' is a more newer model of the venom, but they are the same price. I found it convincing a lot of people HEAR the improvement and even give thoughts as to why too. ;)

    I just read a few posts and said to myself, this has to be put in this thread too.

    It's very interesting. And it just may shed light on your (K_M) "proof is needed, argument or statement" to prove they help stereos sound better. B)

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/power-cord-experiment-1

    Would love to agree. Seriously. I have found there are all types online.
    Some believe anything, with no proof, some never believe anything, and some are wanting the proof, as anything can be written up online.
    I am skeptical.

    It is not a matter of money at all, but more a matter of "Why bother".
    But maybe will give a few a try......I would like to experience it firsthand

    So as not mis-quote. Her outlook is "why bother", similar to she doesn't care.. But I wanted to give the proper answer as I was paraphrasing.

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,627
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    heiney9 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It doesn't make any logical sense in my mind in regards to how a power cable could make this much of an improvement in stereo imaging. But wow. Crazy.

    I just found this AWSOME chat on Stereophile about Drews (^^^) new power cable. But maybe Drews' is a more newer model of the venom, but they are the same price. I found it convincing a lot of people HEAR the improvement and even give thoughts as to why too. ;)

    I just read a few posts and said to myself, this has to be put in this thread too.

    It's very interesting. And it just may shed light on your (K_M) "proof is needed, argument or statement" to prove they help stereos sound better. B)

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/power-cord-experiment-1

    Would love to agree. Seriously. I have found there are all types online.
    Some believe anything, with no proof, some never believe anything, and some are wanting the proof, as anything can be written up online.
    I am skeptical.

    It is not a matter of money at all, but more a matter of "Why bother".
    But maybe will give a few a try......I would like to experience it firsthand

    So as not mis-quote. Her outlook is "why bother", similar to she doesn't care.. But I wanted to give the proper answer as I was paraphrasing.

    My why bother attitude, is based on no one being able to step up and "Show" what they claim.
    I see you said YES to what I asked Tony.

  • mpitogo
    mpitogo Posts: 494
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    Nightfall wrote: »
    @mpitogo See what you did here? Shame. Shame. Shame.

    I tried to resist... no more replies to this thread but I continue to research on my own and found this video on the subject neither negative or positive, I’d say maybe neutral. One thing I walked away with was maybe I won’t hear the difference with one cable, maybe I need to try 30 cables and try them on different components, amps, preamp, sources etc.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,110
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    K_M wrote: »
    heiney9 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It doesn't make any logical sense in my mind in regards to how a power cable could make this much of an improvement in stereo imaging. But wow. Crazy.

    I just found this AWSOME chat on Stereophile about Drews (^^^) new power cable. But maybe Drews' is a more newer model of the venom, but they are the same price. I found it convincing a lot of people HEAR the improvement and even give thoughts as to why too. ;)

    I just read a few posts and said to myself, this has to be put in this thread too.

    It's very interesting. And it just may shed light on your (K_M) "proof is needed, argument or statement" to prove they help stereos sound better. B)

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/power-cord-experiment-1

    Would love to agree. Seriously. I have found there are all types online.
    Some believe anything, with no proof, some never believe anything, and some are wanting the proof, as anything can be written up online.
    I am skeptical.

    It is not a matter of money at all, but more a matter of "Why bother".
    But maybe will give a few a try......I would like to experience it firsthand

    So as not mis-quote. Her outlook is "why bother", similar to she doesn't care.. But I wanted to give the proper answer as I was paraphrasing.

    My why bother attitude, is based on no one being able to step up and "Show" what they claim.
    I see you said YES to what I asked Tony.

    This hobby is individual in that you need to find out for yourself what is gratifying. All people are doing is relaying their own individual experience's. Take them at face value or totally disregard, but those are their own experiences and you can't tell them they are wrong. Because they aren't yours to cast judgment on. If you want to know what your personal, individual outcome is for said situation, you need to keep an open mind (which by your tone you don't have) and try it for yourself.

    It's as simple as that, always has been, always will be. If you don't care to participate on this level, then you really have no basis for making comments.

    This is the umpteenth thread about this in the past 2-3 years and you still haven't tried it. That is why I label you a contrarian. You parrot the same tired circular views as day one "Shat or get off the pot".

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • polrbehr
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    Dayum, I wake up from hibernation (hey its what we do) to find this??
    Back to the cave I guess.
    So, are you willing to put forth a little effort or are you happy sitting in your skeptical poo pile?


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  • mikeyb128
    mikeyb128 Posts: 2,885
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    K_M wrote: »
    heiney9 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    Tony M wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It doesn't make any logical sense in my mind in regards to how a power cable could make this much of an improvement in stereo imaging. But wow. Crazy.

    I just found this AWSOME chat on Stereophile about Drews (^^^) new power cable. But maybe Drews' is a more newer model of the venom, but they are the same price. I found it convincing a lot of people HEAR the improvement and even give thoughts as to why too. ;)

    I just read a few posts and said to myself, this has to be put in this thread too.

    It's very interesting. And it just may shed light on your (K_M) "proof is needed, argument or statement" to prove they help stereos sound better. B)

    https://www.stereophile.com/content/power-cord-experiment-1

    Would love to agree. Seriously. I have found there are all types online.
    Some believe anything, with no proof, some never believe anything, and some are wanting the proof, as anything can be written up online.
    I am skeptical.

    It is not a matter of money at all, but more a matter of "Why bother".
    But maybe will give a few a try......I would like to experience it firsthand

    So as not mis-quote. Her outlook is "why bother", similar to she doesn't care.. But I wanted to give the proper answer as I was paraphrasing.

    My why bother attitude, is based on no one being able to step up and "Show" what they claim.
    I see you said YES to what I asked Tony.

    I posted evidence from a reputable electrical engineer and musician, several posts back. But seems you either didn’t see it, or ignore it.
    2 channel:
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    Theater:
    Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.

  • afterburnt
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    How things are made and what they are made of doesn't make any difference. I am sure @K_M. Would agree.
  • K_M
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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,627
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    [/quote]

    My why bother attitude, is based on no one being able to step up and "Show" what they claim.
    I see you said YES to what I asked Tony.

    [/quote]

    I posted evidence from a reputable electrical engineer and musician, several posts back. But seems you either didn’t see it, or ignore it. [/quote]

    You misunderstand what type of "proof" I was asking for.
    I asked if anyone could provide proof beyond their anecdotal account of being able to identify, a stock cable from an upgraded one.

    In other words, simply put, can any of your guys in the forum identify cables based not on appearance, but based solely on listening to music?




  • BlueFox
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    This is all Clipdat's fault. He installed a Shunyata Venom power cable on his CD player, and was amazed at the improvement he heard. Just wait until this new cable settles into its new home, and he puts the cables on his other gear. Then he will say he really is amazed at the improvement, and others will say he is just imagining the improvement.

    Can't wait until I get home tonight to listen to some imaginary improvements. :)
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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,627
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    This is all Clipdat's fault. He installed a Shunyata Venom power cable on his CD player, and was amazed at the improvement he heard. Just wait until this new cable settles into its new home, and he puts the cables on his other gear. Then he will say he really is amazed at the improvement, and others will say he is just imagining the improvement.

    Can't wait until I get home tonight to listen to some imaginary improvements. :)

    Ya if it was only that simple.
    That does nothing to explain guys hearing big differences, when aware of the cable brand, but not being able to identify them when not aware.

  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
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    K_M wrote: »

    My why bother attitude, is based on no one being able to step up and "Show" what they claim.
    I see you said YES to what I asked Tony.

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    I posted evidence from a reputable electrical engineer and musician, several posts back. But seems you either didn’t see it, or ignore it. [/quote]

    You misunderstand what type of "proof" I was asking for.
    I asked if anyone could provide proof beyond their anecdotal account of being able to identify, a stock cable from an upgraded one.

    In other words, simply put, can any of your guys in the forum identify cables based not on appearance, but based solely on listening to music?




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    Wait, huh,what, I thought that's what they have been saying.

    Power cables do matter, I put a fancy power cable on this Yamaha and now the sub don't werk.
  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
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    K_M wrote: »
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    That's deep
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,110
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
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    That's deep

    So deep, I wish I had my waders on.

    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,110
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    Here's a good analogy.

    I eat grape jello and cherry jello. I like both, but grape is more satisfying to me and my tastes.

    K_M comes along and asks me to prove to her grape tastes better, she won't just rely on my individual tastes as a reference point. I can't prove to her that grape will taste better to her? How would I do that?

    On top of it, she's unwilling to taste grape for herself, because I can't prove to her that grape tastes better to me. Like somehow if I can prove grape tastes better to me, then she will try grape for herself.

    Sounds pretty illogical to predicate whether something will align with your likes and dislikes, abilities, shortcomings, etc based on someone else's interpretation, impressions, likes, dislikes, abilities, cognitive abilities, etc.

    It's a very irrational argument, and has no answer. And deserves no attention. Yet here we are trying to make an illogical premise logical. Spock would be highly disappointed.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!