Bought some more powerful subs for my folded horns but turns out that the surrounds on pretty much every 8" sub capable of more than 400w power handling is WAY too big to go into the sub cavity of the horn. So I put the Daytons back in and played around with the DSP on the amp a bit more.
Have a bit of a bump at 40, 60, 80 and 100hz for the subs (3, 2, 2, 1db resepctively) with HP set at 20hz and LP set at 120hz. The slopes are Butterworth 48db/octave on the 20hz side so it drops off a cliff and then a Butterworth 6db/octave on the 120hz side so the slope is nice and gradual.
Seems to be giving me most of what is missing on the low end due to the room modes/nulls. But it is still not as good as just the speakers themselves in that damned hotel room at LSAF. The problems of dealing with a very compromised space.
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
Got a used Micro Seiki MA-505 tonearm Yeah, it's missing a couple of bits, but those have been procured and are in transit. Bearings are in perfect working order. Ok, it's a little rough around the edges, but I got a good deal on it, and it should clean up enough to suit me. I'm much more about function over form when it comes to cosmetic issues, but that's just me.
Very nice. I've got a variant (not the 'standalone' unit you have) on my MS DQ-50. Been a fine performer for me.
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~
~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
Got a used Micro Seiki MA-505 tonearm Yeah, it's missing a couple of bits, but those have been procured and are in transit. Bearings are in perfect working order. Ok, it's a little rough around the edges, but I got a good deal on it, and it should clean up enough to suit me. I'm much more about function over form when it comes to cosmetic issues, but that's just me.
As a Mechanical Engineer, that thing is one of exquisite beauty! Oh, the engineering drawings, tolerance stack ups, machining and material specifications, testing and validation, I could go on. That would have been a fun project to work on!
Basement: Polk SDA SRS,Cary SLP-05 Pre,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport,Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC,Cambridge 851N streamer,Marantz SA-14 SACD,McIntosh MC300 Amp,Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Pangea Power Cables,Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's,MIT Shotgun S3 IC's,MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Received some Wireworld Mini Eclipse 8 speaker cables today. Preparing my self for a little shoot out with my current with my current Zu Libtec speaker cables.
I have a ton of CDs myself that I need to get rid of. The ones on the left are classical, and rock is on the right. Plus I have a big box of CDs in the garage. I guess this is another retirement project.
Bud - Silicon Valley
Lumin X1
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
"Electronic music is human sound adapting to indulge technology, and for some, it feels like the signature sound of energy. New and abstract sounds over hypnotic rhythms can conjure vast soundscapes for escape, pleasure, and transcendence."
Kitties are getting bigger and haven't clawed at the S55 grills in the bedroom system, so I figured it was time to go back to floorstanders. Found a pair of absolutely pristine LSI 15s for a nice price. If they leave these alone the 705s will be getting moved back in post haste. Try to ignore the kitty barricades.
I must say, at one time or another, I've owned 7s, 9s, and now 15s. The 9s, which I had on a pair of Sanus Ulimate stands prior to swapping in the 15s, were a better speaker. Listening 2 channel, no sub, the 15s have bloated flabby bass and lean way too much toward the bottom end. Anybody got a pair of Db840s they want to sell?
Hi, Dave. The 9's were my favorite in that lineup as well.
Tom
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~
~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
Wbt next Gen analog out and digital in and upgraded wiring
Mundorf and audio note power supply caps
Sparks dual board discrete op amps
Discrete voltage regulators
Changed most signal path resistors
Changed most signal path caps with audio note
Changed some diodes
Tube coupling caps, clarity cap mr
Output coupling caps, clarity csa
Not to be cliche, but this was a fairly substantial improvement. Micro detailing, staging, bass accuracy and impact.... I'm a frugal person and the money spent was worth it for sure. I run a passive line controller so my end result is pretty much up to my source.
- Not Tom
"No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
It's DeoxIT® Day.....so many cables and connections!
Make yourself necessary to someone. Ralph Waldo Emerson
Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ & Pro 11+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS* Twisted Pear Buffalo III Dual Mono ESS Sabre32 DAC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
Trey will either bring his down here, or I will bring mine up there sometime soon to compare the differences between a stock Tri-Vista and his modified. He is trying to talk me into getting mine done as well.
Tom
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~
~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
Comments
Have a bit of a bump at 40, 60, 80 and 100hz for the subs (3, 2, 2, 1db resepctively) with HP set at 20hz and LP set at 120hz. The slopes are Butterworth 48db/octave on the 20hz side so it drops off a cliff and then a Butterworth 6db/octave on the 120hz side so the slope is nice and gradual.
Seems to be giving me most of what is missing on the low end due to the room modes/nulls. But it is still not as good as just the speakers themselves in that damned hotel room at LSAF. The problems of dealing with a very compromised space.
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
"No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
Very nice. I've got a variant (not the 'standalone' unit you have) on my MS DQ-50. Been a fine performer for me.
SDA 2BTL * Musical Fidelity A5cr amp * Marantz DV-9500 * Modded Adcom GDA-600 DAC * Rythmik F8
Micro Seiki DQ-50 * A hodgepodge of cabling * Belkin PF60
Preamp rotation: Krell KSL (SCompRacer recapped) * Manley Shrimp * PS Audio 5.0
KEF LS50W I Rega P6 w/ Ania MC I Rega Fono MC I Audience Ohno ICs
Not a damned thing but listen.
Tom
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
As a Mechanical Engineer, that thing is one of exquisite beauty! Oh, the engineering drawings, tolerance stack ups, machining and material specifications, testing and validation, I could go on. That would have been a fun project to work on!
Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Digital: Cambridge CXC / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
MastersounD Dueventi > Usher T-515 or Arcam rHead > Hifiman HE4XX
Discogs
just 6 more of those and it might be enough to cover my CD, SACD collection
I really should put some effort into looking into a boltz system for them.
Or offer them up as Karma
Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
Yep. I have most of my CD's in the basement, but the one's in the office were just stacking up!
Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
You first
One step ahead of you...
Saying that it's "too hard" to pursue your dreams is no different than admitting to yourself that you are too lazy to achieve them.
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
Nope I'm a physical media guy.
Lumin X1
Sony XA-5400ES SACD
Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables
Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
Three 20 amp circuits.
I like!
Organized too.
I can't wait to get back to my "pyramid tower"of relaxation Cds.
What lake do you live on/near? Just asking, cause I'm coming over!
I used to live on Silver Lake!
Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Tom
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
Can you post a summary of what was done to it? What improved?
Thanks,
Harry
Wbt next Gen analog out and digital in and upgraded wiring
Mundorf and audio note power supply caps
Sparks dual board discrete op amps
Discrete voltage regulators
Changed most signal path resistors
Changed most signal path caps with audio note
Changed some diodes
Tube coupling caps, clarity cap mr
Output coupling caps, clarity csa
Not to be cliche, but this was a fairly substantial improvement. Micro detailing, staging, bass accuracy and impact.... I'm a frugal person and the money spent was worth it for sure. I run a passive line controller so my end result is pretty much up to my source.
"No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
Salk SoundScape 8's * Audio Research Reference 3 * Bottlehead Eros Phono * Park's Audio Budgie SUT * Krell KSA-250 * Harmonic Technology Pro 9+ & Pro 11+ * Signature Series Sonore Music Server w/Deux PS* Twisted Pear Buffalo III Dual Mono ESS Sabre32 DAC * Heavy Plinth Lenco L75 Idler Drive * AA MG-1 Linear Air Bearing Arm * AT33PTG/II & Denon 103R * Richard Gray 600S * NHT B-12d subs * GIK Acoustic Treatments * Sennheiser HD650 *
Tom
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
Office: PC,EAR Acute CD Player,EAR 834L Pre,Northstar Designs Intenso DAC,PASS ACA Monoblocks,Denon UDR-F10 Cassette,Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers,SVS SB12 Plus sub,MIT AVt2 speaker cables,IFI Purifier2,AQ Cinnamon USB cable,Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks,Tisbury Mini Passive Pre,Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38),Analysis Plus Oval 9's,Zu Jumpers,AudioEngine B1 Streamer,Klipsch RB-61 v2,SVS PB1000 sub,Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated,Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer,Rotel RCD-1072 CD player,Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner,Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers,Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Looks like a few projects going on at the same time.