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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,730
    mantis wrote: »
    There is little to gain past the Type 4 and beyond unless you have powerful amps and longer runs with higher demanding speakers. Then you would need heavier gauge cables that are properly built and terminated.

    Uhhhhhh....... what?
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,730
    edited December 2018
    Until I tried the MIT Terminator 2 bi-wire cables on my 703s, their high end presentation was always a little too laid back and warm for me. With the MITs, the highs are now a tad more forward/brighter and damn near perfect for my tastes.

    They really elevated the performance of my 703s in exactly the right way. I got lucky on the synergy in that regard.

    Edit: I should mention that I'm talking about fairly small changes, but ones that are easily noticeable to me. They just gave the highs that little extra smidgen of brightness that made them move toward having a "studio monitor sound" as opposed to a "warm Polk sound".
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 2,329
    If you want to really see if there is a difference, only change one speaker cable. Invite some friends over and see if they can tell the difference.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN75RU710DFXZA,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk LsiM 705
    Center: Polk LSiM 704C
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES AVR, Sony DVP-NS3100ES for disc
    Cerwin Vega AT-12 (blasters) Advent Prodigy (listening)
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,400
    mrloren wrote: »
    If you want to really see if there is a difference, only change one speaker cable. Invite some friends over and see if they can tell the difference.

    I do this with my wife actually. Or if I change something, I have her listen to a song, Change and then listen again and she tells me what she thinks the difference is.

    Den: Lumin D1,Wireworld Silver Eclipse RCA, KEF LS50 Wireless, Velodyne SPL1200, Technics 1200, Denon DL160, Jolida D9,

    Living Room:,T+A PA 1530R,Wireworld Silver Eclipse SC, Tyler Highland H2, High Fidelity Reveal RCA, Aries Mini, W4S recovery, LKS MH-da004,

    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T, Grant Fidelity Tube Dac 11.
  • audioluvraudioluvr Posts: 2,688
    My 17 yr old daughter is my audio analyst
    Cambridge Audio 851N Streamer/DAC
    Belles 21A Pre modded with Mundorf Supreme caps
    B&K M200 Sonata monoblocks refreshed and upgraded
    Polk SDA 1C's modded
    Wireworld Silver Eclipse IC's and speaker cables
  • BC6BC6 Posts: 109
    https://www.thecableco.com/cables/speaker-cables/10ft-3m-pair-matrix-12-biwire-speaker-cable.html

    Is this a good deal? Or is there a better deal out there? I convinced my wife that I need speaker cables for Christmas and I want to jump on it before she changes her mind. There's a lot of great information here but I'm a bit overwhelmed.

    2 Channel: Atohm GT-1 speakers, Atoll IN400 integrated amp, PS Audio DirectStream DAC, PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter, Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit SB with Ortofon Bronze cartridge, SotM sMS-200 ultra streamer, SotM sPS-500 power supply, and homemade infinite baffle subwoofer with two Fi Audio IB318 drivers.

    HT: All Polk: SDA 2.3tl fronts, CSiA6 center, 500-LS ceiling, RT/FX, RTi8, Monitor 4 rears, plus Yamaha CX-a5100 AV Preamplifier/Processor, Yamaha MX-a5000 11.1 channel amplifier, and Sony XBR55-AE1 OLED TV.
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,033
    50% off is a good deal.
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  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,600
    VR3 wrote: »
    One of my favorites that I replaced MIT shotguns with was the DH Labs Q10. Fantastic wire

    Currently sporting the supra Quadrax, which I am fond of. I would do Q10, but just don't want to plunk down 30 bucks a foot
    The Supra Quadrax is no slouch. I got some upon Trey's recommendation after buying his extra pair of JM Lab Utopia Mezzos, and I haven't looked back. Very interesting design with two pair of twisted conductors, constructed of tin-plated copper braiding around a dielectric (i.e., there is no conductive core).
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    The outer insulator on the cable I received was quite thick, but light and easy to work with. Here I had stripped the insulators from the four individual conductors.
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    I unbraided the wires, clipped the inner dielectrics, and then twister the pairs together. Also added some clear shrink tubing to each pair.
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    The speaker end of the cables are riding bare-back into the binding posts, and the amp end currently has locking bananas, but hoping to achieve bare-back on the amp end at some point.
    "This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
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  • K_M wrote: »

    Well I guess you have solved the multi decade debate on every audio forum.
    Why do you think there is so much debate about this topic?

    It is for sure not cause some people are not wanting to hear a difference or are stubborn.....and just like to argue.

    If what you claim is true, there would be no debate at all, everyone would easily recognize this immediate change and it would not be the almost religious debate it has become over many years.

    It is a religious debate because many people do not know how to listen to stereo, what to listen for, or even what stereophonic sound is all about. In the absence of quantification, and being able to accurately describe what they hear or don't hear, people have to rely on opinion and guessing.

    I recall asking you several times to explain how you set up a stereo trial where you claimed to hear "no difference", and you refused to answer the question.

    When someone tells me they heard "no difference", I always ask them what they were listening for. What were their stereophonic evaluation criteria? Even in cases were blind test participants repeatedly and accurately noted a sonic difference, they often couldn't articulate that difference in terms of stereophonic performance.



    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • K_M wrote: »

    Well I guess you have solved the multi decade debate on every audio forum.
    Why do you think there is so much debate about this topic?

    It is for sure not cause some people are not wanting to hear a difference or are stubborn.....and just like to argue.

    If what you claim is true, there would be no debate at all, everyone would easily recognize this immediate change and it would not be the almost religious debate it has become over many years.

    It is a religious debate because many people do not know how to listen to stereo, what to listen for, or even what stereophonic sound is all about. In the absence of quantification, and being able to accurately describe what they hear or don't hear, people have to rely on opinion and guessing.

    I recall asking you several times to explain how you set up a stereo trial where you claimed to hear "no difference", and you refused to answer the question.

    When someone tells me they heard "no difference", I always ask them what they were listening for. What were their stereophonic evaluation criteria? Even in cases were blind test participants repeatedly and accurately noted a sonic difference, they often couldn't articulate that difference in terms of stereophonic performance.



    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,533
    Every cable thread usually starts as someone asking for a recommendation then it dwindles down to cable believers arguing with cable naysayers.

    All I know is I was cable agnostic, then one day I demo'd the AQ Oaks in my system and I believed.

    So much so that I somehow ended up with their top AQ Wels, as many here know.

    I read someone posting something about going beyond the AQ Type 4 is of minimal benefit, I will argue against this as I also have the Type 4.

    I also subscribe to the idea of the cables supposedly getting out of the way. I do not like them acting as tuning agents (though I am sure that because of the sound difference they make, it can be thought of as such).
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs TSDx/Bluesound Node 2 -> Emm Labs DAC2x -> Audio Research Reference 40th Anniversary -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers + JL Audio F113v2 x2
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Oppo 105D -> Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2


    Main speakers system evolution over the years:
    Klipsch Promedia 4.1 -> Axiom M22ti -> Sonus Faber Concertino -> Sonus Faber Concerto -> Polk LSi7 -> Polk LSi9 -> Martin Logan Mosaic -> AV123 Onix Ref 1 -> Martin Logan Vantage -> AV123 Strata Mini -> Martin Logan Summit -> Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor -> BW 802D2 -> Sonus Faber Stradivari -> Rockport Avior -> BW 802D3 -> BW 800D3 -> ???

    Old Gear:
    Speakers:
    BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source:
    Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification:
    Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased) -> ARC 5se -> ARC Ref 40th Anniversary
    Amplification:
    HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer:
    Infinity Entra2 -> SVS 25-31PCi -> SVS 25-31PC+ -> Dual JL Audio F113v2
  • mantismantis Posts: 15,976
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Every cable thread usually starts as someone asking for a recommendation then it dwindles down to cable believers arguing with cable naysayers.

    All I know is I was cable agnostic, then one day I demo'd the AQ Oaks in my system and I believed.

    So much so that I somehow ended up with their top AQ Wels, as many here know.

    I read someone posting something about going beyond the AQ Type 4 is of minimal benefit, I will argue against this as I also have the Type 4.

    I also subscribe to the idea of the cables supposedly getting out of the way. I do not like them acting as tuning agents (though I am sure that because of the sound difference they make, it can be thought of as such).
    There is no need to argue against this as your opinion is just as valid as the next person. I have been up and down audioquest speaker line and have owned and own many different levels of their cables. The Type 4 cables do everything right but are a thinner conductor then the higher end models which in turn gives you less resistance especially when running higher power amps and more demanding speakers. This is where you will hear more of a difference over the sheer quality of the cable. Silver cable content speaker cables also sound a bit better as they seem to sound clearer and more natural. But the benefits are still small in my opinion.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,461
    edited December 2018




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    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,880
    My cable says “all your base belong to us”

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    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT - Parasound P6 - Parasound A21+ - Elac Adante AS-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u

    HT - Panasonic BDP/Tivo Bolt - Marantz SR5013 - Def tech C and In ceiling - Sony XBR 75"
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 8,938
    Resistance is futile
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 1,600
    dromunds wrote: »
    Resistance is futile
    But impedance is everything.
    "This may not matter to you, but it does to me for various reasons, many of them illogical or irrational, but the vinyl hobby is not really logical or rational..." - member on Vinyl Engine
    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
    Regarding collectibles: "It's not who gets it. It's who gets stuck with it." - Jimmy Fallon
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,487
    DSkip wrote: »
    Using cables as tuning devices will diminish stereophonic qualities or details in most cases. While it's easier to swap cables, you are admittedly altering the signal with components and detracting from the impact your actual components make in the system.

    When I got the Wilson Watt Puppy I also got a pair of Transparent Reference cables with them. It was a great match but I still preferred the Equinox over the $6,000 retail cables. Why? Even though the sound was smoother with the Transparent cables, I could hear the way they shaped the signal and I didn't like it. It was unnatural and seemed to eliminate space between images even though it really didn't.

    Cables should be absolutely transparent and I still firmly believe you should find cables in your price point that are as Transparent and unfiltering as you can get. If you accomplish that and still have issues with the sound, you are hearing a poorly matched system. I've found the shortcomings of components to be much easier to overcome than the shortcomings of flavored cables.

    We won't agree on that Skip, but we don't have to, opinions vary in audio and we are all used to that.

    If you think your cables should all be neutral, then you should dump the Wireworld line because they certainly are not neutral.

    I'll agree, some cables will detract from the sound, but others will also bring it out better. Call it system matching, synergy, whatever. You as a dealer have access to many different components, the average Joe doesn't, so flipping gear isn't always financially viable as a solution.

    Cables are "flavored" no doubt, everything in the chain is. Like making a recipe for sound, tailored to ones individual tastes. It's no complicated, there are no absolutes, and the many ways to skin that cat is what makes audio fun.

    Merry Christmas, and here's hoping Santa brings you some new cables. :)
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,880
    I’m an average Joe and I like cables.
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT - Parasound P6 - Parasound A21+ - Elac Adante AS-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u

    HT - Panasonic BDP/Tivo Bolt - Marantz SR5013 - Def tech C and In ceiling - Sony XBR 75"
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,487
    joecoulson wrote: »
    I’m an average Joe and I like cables.

    ….and coffee, so that makes you A-OK in my book. :)
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,880
    Problem is I have too many things I “like” and not enough brass to get it all!!
    But I am super grateful for what I do have and I think that’s the key.
    I’ll add to this conversation that while all you fellas may not agree (me included) I do like the fact that the core group on here is respectful and courteous. This is what makes this forum different from all other Troll heavy forums.
    Keep it up Polkies.
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT - Parasound P6 - Parasound A21+ - Elac Adante AS-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u

    HT - Panasonic BDP/Tivo Bolt - Marantz SR5013 - Def tech C and In ceiling - Sony XBR 75"
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 17,257
    I got scopes....... they are not used for cables.....
    just sayin :p
  • Joey_VJoey_V Posts: 7,533
    mantis wrote: »
    Joey_V wrote: »
    Every cable thread usually starts as someone asking for a recommendation then it dwindles down to cable believers arguing with cable naysayers.

    All I know is I was cable agnostic, then one day I demo'd the AQ Oaks in my system and I believed.

    So much so that I somehow ended up with their top AQ Wels, as many here know.

    I read someone posting something about going beyond the AQ Type 4 is of minimal benefit, I will argue against this as I also have the Type 4.

    I also subscribe to the idea of the cables supposedly getting out of the way. I do not like them acting as tuning agents (though I am sure that because of the sound difference they make, it can be thought of as such).
    There is no need to argue against this as your opinion is just as valid as the next person. I have been up and down audioquest speaker line and have owned and own many different levels of their cables. The Type 4 cables do everything right but are a thinner conductor then the higher end models which in turn gives you less resistance especially when running higher power amps and more demanding speakers. This is where you will hear more of a difference over the sheer quality of the cable. Silver cable content speaker cables also sound a bit better as they seem to sound clearer and more natural. But the benefits are still small in my opinion.

    Next time I have a free chance I will compare my 3 aq speaker wire and come back with my findings.

    Type 4 uses thinner conductors, Lgc, and if anything is single star quad without dbs. The difference between the wel and the oak was significant. If the type 4 is any closer then it is indeed a value in the line.

    We shall see
    Joey's Gear:
    Current Gear:
    Torus RM15 -> Emm Labs TSDx/Bluesound Node 2 -> Emm Labs DAC2x -> Audio Research Reference 40th Anniversary -> Boulder 2060 stereo amp (w/ Audioquest WEL Signature) -> new speakers + JL Audio F113v2 x2
    Rotel RA1592 Super Integrated -> Sonus Faber Olympica 3
    Oppo 105D -> Rotel RC1570 preamp -> Rotel RB1582 amp -> Focal Kanta 2


    Main speakers system evolution over the years:
    Klipsch Promedia 4.1 -> Axiom M22ti -> Sonus Faber Concertino -> Sonus Faber Concerto -> Polk LSi7 -> Polk LSi9 -> Martin Logan Mosaic -> AV123 Onix Ref 1 -> Martin Logan Vantage -> AV123 Strata Mini -> Martin Logan Summit -> Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor -> BW 802D2 -> Sonus Faber Stradivari -> Rockport Avior -> BW 802D3 -> BW 800D3 -> ???

    Old Gear:
    Speakers:
    BW PM1 (3.5/5), CM10s2 (3.75/5), BW800D3 (5/5), Rockport Aviors (5/5), Sonus Faber Stradivari (5/5), BW 802D2 (4.5/5), Martin Logan Summits (4.25/5), Martin Logan Vantage (4/5), Sonus Faber Cremona Auditor (3.75/5), AV123 Strata Mini (3.5/5), ML Mosaic (3.25/5), Onix Ref1 (3/5), Sonus Faber Concerto (2.75/5), SF Concertino (2.5/5), Axiom M22ti (2/5), Polk LSi9 (3/5), LSi7 (2.9/5)
    Source:
    Squeezebox 3 -> PS Audio Digital Link III -> Cary 306/200 CDP -> Cary 306 SACD -> EMM LABS DAC2X/TSDX
    Preamplification:
    Rotel RC1070 -> Rogue Perseus -> Cary SLP98 -> Cary SLP98F1 -> Cary SLP05 (sold and then repurchased) -> ARC 5se -> ARC Ref 40th Anniversary
    Amplification:
    HK AVR330 -> Rotel RB1070 -> Rotel RB1090 -> Plinius SA102 -> Cary 211FE -> Classe M600 -> Boulder 2060
    Subwoofer:
    Infinity Entra2 -> SVS 25-31PCi -> SVS 25-31PC+ -> Dual JL Audio F113v2
  • delkaldelkal Posts: 708
    Audiophiles think the want the "purest" sound but in most cases they are mistaken. there are certain colorations that are pleasing to the ear. Think of tube amps. They can add 100 times more distortion /coloration than solid state. But it is a more pleasing sound.

    Same goes for cables. The basics are all the same. Pick your copper then pick your conductor. But they can get subtle differences in the way everything is put together. Like it or not these differences color the sound. The trick is to find the coloration that people can hear and the harmonics people like.

    Look at MIT cables. They go so far as to put crossovers / tone controls in their speaker cables. They claim it is to make the response perfectly "pure" but I don't buy it. They tune the crossovers to nodes with a certain harmonic difference that are pleasing to the ear. And apparently this works. Lots of people love their sound.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 5,137
    Santa (USPS) delivered a package of Wireworld goodies this morning... via Arlington, TX. I feel like I've been a pretty good boy this year, so treated myself! All 2(.1)-channel signals are now flowing through Wireworld cables. Power as well. I am :).
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 45,033
    delkal wrote: »
    Look at MIT cables. They go so far as to put crossovers / tone controls in their speaker cables. They claim it is to make the response perfectly "pure" but I don't buy it. They tune the crossovers to nodes with a certain harmonic difference that are pleasing to the ear. And apparently this works. Lots of people love their sound.

    They don't claim they make the response pure, they claim to correct the inherent flaws of basic cable.

    "The benefit is more lifelike vocals and instruments, mid and high frequencies become less bright or tiring, voices are clear and understandable, and bass frequencies become tight and deep."

    I have to agree.

    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 4,880
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Santa (USPS) delivered a package of Wireworld goodies this morning... via Arlington, TX. I feel like I've been a pretty good boy this year, so treated myself! All 2(.1)-channel signals are now flowing through Wireworld cables. Power as well. I am :).

    Congrats!
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT - Parasound P6 - Parasound A21+ - Elac Adante AS-61 - AQ Niagara 5000 - SVS SB16u

    HT - Panasonic BDP/Tivo Bolt - Marantz SR5013 - Def tech C and In ceiling - Sony XBR 75"
  • marvda1marvda1 Posts: 4,102
    Not getting in on this but get your read on, Analysis Plus.
    Amplifiers: MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800,Kinki Studio EX-M1
    Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
    Transport/Dac: L.K.S MH-DA004, Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI,
    Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
    Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
    Speaker Cables: Organic Audio Organic Reference 2, Analysis Plus Black Mesh Oval 9,
    Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme
    Interconnects: Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2, Gabriel Gold Reckoning
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,487
    marvda1 wrote: »
    Not getting in on this but get your read on, Analysis Plus.

    One of my favorite brands, but I have many favorites. AP, Acoustic zen, MIT, Wireworld, Kimber, Audioquest and many more. Like an ice cream shop with flavors and characteristics to please anyone.....with any wallet.

    There is a big difference too, in the lower series of these brands to the higher series, both in price and sound. I usually find, for the budget minded folks anyway, that midway or a few notches below TOTL series when bought used can yield your best bang for the buck in cables.

    Some here subscribe to.....when a cables gets the signal unaltered from point A to point B, there is nothing more it can do. If that was the case, then that logic would suggest some cable series are broken, not getting the signal A-B in it's proper form. Why else would cable brands have so many series within the brand.

    Audioquest has many series, so either the lower lines are somehow not doing their job, or the higher series are a waste of money because the lower lines are sufficient in getting the signal across. That logic doesn't hold water in my book.

    Many things go into cable building that will influence the sound, and each series within a brand will specify what that is. Some differences in sound are slight, some more profound.....and we have many flavors to system match, synergize, with one's particular system and ears.

    Like always, this hobby of ours dictates some trial and error until you reach a point your ears are happy with, with the type of music you listen to. It's really no more complicated than that.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
  • mantismantis Posts: 15,976
    edited December 2018
    tonyb wrote: »
    marvda1 wrote: »
    Not getting in on this but get your read on, Analysis Plus.

    One of my favorite brands, but I have many favorites. AP, Acoustic zen, MIT, Wireworld, Kimber, Audioquest and many more. Like an ice cream shop with flavors and characteristics to please anyone.....with any wallet.

    There is a big difference too, in the lower series of these brands to the higher series, both in price and sound. I usually find, for the budget minded folks anyway, that midway or a few notches below TOTL series when bought used can yield your best bang for the buck in cables.

    Some here subscribe to.....when a cables gets the signal unaltered from point A to point B, there is nothing more it can do. If that was the case, then that logic would suggest some cable series are broken, not getting the signal A-B in it's proper form. Why else would cable brands have so many series within the brand.

    Audioquest has many series, so either the lower lines are somehow not doing their job, or the higher series are a waste of money because the lower lines are sufficient in getting the signal across. That logic doesn't hold water in my book.

    Many things go into cable building that will influence the sound, and each series within a brand will specify what that is. Some differences in sound are slight, some more profound.....and we have many flavors to system match, synergize, with one's particular system and ears.

    Like always, this hobby of ours dictates some trial and error until you reach a point your ears are happy with, with the type of music you listen to. It's really no more complicated than that.

    Do No Harm
    AudioQuest is driven by an equal passion for product performance and customer service. Phone calls and emails are answered by real people, and products are designed by people with a genuine love of music and film. Despite growth and success, AudioQuest remains a small company at heart that believes business is earned by staying true to its core values of performance and value.
    Audio and video reproduction is fundamentally a case of damage control. The signal is at its greatest potential ... is least damaged ... at the source. Great sound and great pictures, music that consumes you, movies that transport you around the universe ... all come from honoring the original signal. It’s an unavoidable fact of life that every component and cable in a system causes distortion, changing the overall character of the signal. These aberrations add up, like layers of dirty glass between you and
    an image you are trying to see. Better cables, and for that matter better components, cannot improve the signals they carry ... they can only do less harm to those signals and reduce the amount of noise and distortion introduced into a system, thus improving performance.
    The goal of high quality components and cables is to be like cleaner panes of glass ... to minimize any alteration or distortion of the signal. Do No Harm!

    So that's a quote from Audioquest which is what I have learned from them over the decades of working with them. BUT I also learned that once you achieve the signal from A to B there is no more you can do. Cables are not supposed to tune or make the sound better but give it a vehicle to ride on so that it can safely arrive at the next location.
    And your right about your statement about lines of cables. Most of the lower end cables at some point do their jobs correctly. Which at that point continuing to climb the ladder doesn't yield and correct sonic proper benefits. you get into what you like in cables which is a EQ system.
    So basically your not right or wrong man, it's just what you like. I prefer not to use cables anymore as a way of tuning a system. I prefer to use the components and speakers which also include the room as a tuning. To many factors already to add in another one.
    Dan
    My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time.
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