I would have to disagree here. Just like a river. Atoms, molecules and electrons can and will move ever so slightly to create the path of least resistance.
I disagree here. At the atomic level, any atom behavior is theoretical. My personal feeling is, at least for cables, atoms in wire are random until they are exposed to an electrical current. If the current is constant then they will align to allow the current to pass with least resistance. This result is audible if the associated gear is adequate.
I would have to disagree here. Just like a river. Atoms, molecules and electrons can and will move ever so slightly to create the path of least resistance.
My personal feeling is...
Uh. That science is hooey?
Home System:
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
Nope... I've met pishvolks... Strait up guy when he stands at 3'1"....
What's funnier (if thats a word FU I'm from TX)....he sounds more country than anyone at LSAF....and lives in the country...but never owned a pair of boots
I would have to disagree here. Just like a river. Atoms, molecules and electrons can and will move ever so slightly to create the path of least resistance.
I disagree here. At the atomic level, any atom behavior is theoretical. My personal feeling is, at least for cables, atoms in wire are random until they are exposed to an electrical current. If the current is constant then they will align to allow the current to pass with least resistance. This result is audible if the associated gear is adequate.
Does this theoretical alignment and improved conductivity in the metal wire persist after the current is removed? If it does, then that would be an example of wire breaking in.
If the theorized alignment does not persist in the absence of external force (current, electric field), then that would not be an example of break in.
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"Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
"Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
"Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
I change my speaker wire every time I change my speakers. From amp to drivers with least resistance possible from connections, if any copper connections silver plated. I feel an upgraded tweeters capacitor has great benefits per pound in the amp to loudspeaker driver's line. Low indulgence speaker wire seems to be best for me
I must add the benefits to getting loudspeaker crossover out of the cabinets and as close to the amp as possible. It's cleared up sound in every system I have done this to.
Doing this may have added cost with the extra run of wires yet a lot of people have bi-wire cabling (unfortunately without bi-amping) so it makes more sense to me to try it out.
First off, going back to the day of my RT800's and the opening of the rabbit hole. I went over to my mom's a few weeks ago and she said..."Do you have any need for this speaker wire" I set up a pair of bookies for her a long while ago and used my old monster cable..she has since re-arranged her living room minus the speakers....talk about a flashback.
Anyway, this is where it started. I received a great deal at the time on some AQ Crystal and that transformed my system, this happened back in approx 1998.
I've since moved on from the AQ but made me an instant believer.
I meant to post this video in another thread a ways back. I was going to get a more controlled test with better recording gear but I've had this video sitting around so I figure why not.
Sorry, but this goes off topic but still a cable thread, forgive me.
During an older discussion of power cords, I swapped my AC-5's from the source, pre, and amp...to the stock cords. At the time I also tried a blue fuse in the preamp.
You can't hear much difference in the fuse in the recording, but I can clearly hear the difference in the power cords, even using headphones on my smartphone.
This is a track I'm very familiar with and the difference was noticeable. The track is "Don't Give Up" In my gear, Kate Bush's vocals have gone from just smooth and high to having a good bit of soul.
The entire track sounds different, but given my recording gear at the time, the two lyrics to focus on are "somewhere" and "place", the "o" in somewhere, the "a" in place. The "a" actually sounds like "ay".
Stock cords sound flat with very small rise in pitch.
AC-5's bring out the distinct rising pitch and the air in her voice.
I tried to convince myself that the stock cords sounded good when I hear the video, but they are quickly trumped by the upgraded cords.
Just some fun, but I want to say it kinda has some merit here.
I would have to disagree here. Just like a river. Atoms, molecules and electrons can and will move ever so slightly to create the path of least resistance.
I disagree here. At the atomic level, any atom behavior is theoretical. My personal feeling is, at least for cables, atoms in wire are random until they are exposed to an electrical current. If the current is constant then they will align to allow the current to pass with least resistance. This result is audible if the associated gear is adequate.
Does this theoretical alignment and improved conductivity in the metal wire persist after the current is removed? If it does, then that would be an example of wire breaking in.
If the theorized alignment does not persist in the absence of external force (current, electric field), then that would not be an example of break in.
I've learned to respect, and trust, the opinions and experience, of others on this forum.
As most of you, I started out with lamp cord (moved away from 22 gauge wire), or equivalent. Currently running MIT T2's on most of my rigs, based on recommendations from members of this group.
Moving on to IC's now, and eventually power cords. And for this newbie's ears, I've heard the differences.
Yes I was skeptical at first, but what the heck, decided to give it a try.
That's the wonderful thing about this hobby - when you notice an improvement, you say to yourself, wow, that does make a difference!
And the journey continues!
Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre, Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cable, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
Shielded power cables and mains filters have just recently transformed the sound and visual on any of my set ups.
I will not start a set up anywhere without them getting involved. Both hifi and DJ equipment.
I personally have to change other things in speaker crossover again so am sure I will always start with those.
I find greatest benefit from budget gear. Although I have upgraded internal power supplies in the equipment tested.
20+ years of self confessed ignorance 🤫 not like I didn't want to try or believe, just never bothered, how wrong I was.
I even goe as far as direct lead to internal power supply, silver solder, silver/gold plated plug pins, Russell Andrews wall sockets. It may be worthy as I upgrade Amps/players in future.
Power leads and conditioners give better picture quality on TVs too, more so older electronics in general
Call me crazy, but after only 8 hours these new Furez 12/4's have smoothed out nicely. They started sounding better after only 4 hours. They were very bright sounding like listening to an early CD. Fatiguing. I was quit disappointed with the results last week. I am much happier now. Thanks for the great input.
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Hafler DH220 Power amp Recapped
Hafler DH110 Preamp Recapped
Hafler Digital FM Tuner
Virtue Audio M1 Piano CD Player
Technics SL-1210-MK5 with a Rega Exact Cartridge
Polk SDA1c's(Rebuilt XO's by Ben) RDO194 Tweeters
Two things going on here IMO
The cables obviously are breaking in and also your ears are getting used to the new sound of these cables as they are different from what you had. In the words of the Matrix “he is starting to believe”
Home System:
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
These wireworld speaker cables are freaking me out. Detail is superb.
Home System:
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
These wireworld speaker cables are freaking me out. Detail is superb.
Is this the source of your freak-out? ->> WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
Yes. My daughter and I were playing Rush Exit Stage Left last night with the lights out and I think during The Trees she said "Dad I think I heard something behind me...".
Home System:
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
We shouldn't have to be careful about pointing out the obvious. The issue should have been dealt with a long time ago.
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Comments
Only cause you're 3'2" with a 10" deck
Uh. That science is hooey?
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
What's funnier (if thats a word FU I'm from TX)....he sounds more country than anyone at LSAF....and lives in the country...but never owned a pair of boots
And yeah...he's got a big deck...He lives in TX
Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC
Does this theoretical alignment and improved conductivity in the metal wire persist after the current is removed? If it does, then that would be an example of wire breaking in.
If the theorized alignment does not persist in the absence of external force (current, electric field), then that would not be an example of break in.
"Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
"Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
"Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
Seems that there are are those here that might offer most of us planes an insight.
Ron, to make it even funnier (yeah, it's a word), I lived in the city for over 25 years with this Texas drawl.
6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps
Doing this may have added cost with the extra run of wires yet a lot of people have bi-wire cabling (unfortunately without bi-amping) so it makes more sense to me to try it out.
Re-edited for content, sorry.
First off, going back to the day of my RT800's and the opening of the rabbit hole. I went over to my mom's a few weeks ago and she said..."Do you have any need for this speaker wire" I set up a pair of bookies for her a long while ago and used my old monster cable..she has since re-arranged her living room minus the speakers....talk about a flashback.
Anyway, this is where it started. I received a great deal at the time on some AQ Crystal and that transformed my system, this happened back in approx 1998.
I've since moved on from the AQ but made me an instant believer.
I meant to post this video in another thread a ways back. I was going to get a more controlled test with better recording gear but I've had this video sitting around so I figure why not.
Sorry, but this goes off topic but still a cable thread, forgive me.
During an older discussion of power cords, I swapped my AC-5's from the source, pre, and amp...to the stock cords. At the time I also tried a blue fuse in the preamp.
You can't hear much difference in the fuse in the recording, but I can clearly hear the difference in the power cords, even using headphones on my smartphone.
This is a track I'm very familiar with and the difference was noticeable. The track is "Don't Give Up" In my gear, Kate Bush's vocals have gone from just smooth and high to having a good bit of soul.
The entire track sounds different, but given my recording gear at the time, the two lyrics to focus on are "somewhere" and "place", the "o" in somewhere, the "a" in place. The "a" actually sounds like "ay".
Stock cords sound flat with very small rise in pitch.
AC-5's bring out the distinct rising pitch and the air in her voice.
I tried to convince myself that the stock cords sounded good when I hear the video, but they are quickly trumped by the upgraded cords.
Just some fun, but I want to say it kinda has some merit here.
I've learned to respect, and trust, the opinions and experience, of others on this forum.
As most of you, I started out with lamp cord (moved away from 22 gauge wire), or equivalent. Currently running MIT T2's on most of my rigs, based on recommendations from members of this group.
Moving on to IC's now, and eventually power cords. And for this newbie's ears, I've heard the differences.
Yes I was skeptical at first, but what the heck, decided to give it a try.
That's the wonderful thing about this hobby - when you notice an improvement, you say to yourself, wow, that does make a difference!
And the journey continues!
Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
Spare Room: , Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's
Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
I will not start a set up anywhere without them getting involved. Both hifi and DJ equipment.
I personally have to change other things in speaker crossover again so am sure I will always start with those.
I find greatest benefit from budget gear. Although I have upgraded internal power supplies in the equipment tested.
20+ years of self confessed ignorance 🤫 not like I didn't want to try or believe, just never bothered, how wrong I was.
I even goe as far as direct lead to internal power supply, silver solder, silver/gold plated plug pins, Russell Andrews wall sockets. It may be worthy as I upgrade Amps/players in future.
Power leads and conditioners give better picture quality on TVs too, more so older electronics in general
Hafler DH110 Preamp Recapped
Hafler Digital FM Tuner
Virtue Audio M1 Piano CD Player
Technics SL-1210-MK5 with a Rega Exact Cartridge
Polk SDA1c's(Rebuilt XO's by Ben) RDO194 Tweeters
The cables obviously are breaking in and also your ears are getting used to the new sound of these cables as they are different from what you had. In the words of the Matrix “he is starting to believe”
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1430
Tad 803 speakers
Check your PM's
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
For? Not seeing anything.
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
Placebo....lol.
Glad your digging 'em. Try this little experiment. Listen to the new cables for about a month, then put the old ones back in. You'll be shocked.
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1430
Tad 803 speakers
Sony 850c 4k
Pioneer elite vhx 21
Sony 4k BRP
SVS SB-2000
Polk Sig. 20's
Polk FX500 surrounds
Cables-
Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable
Kitchen
Sonos zp90
Grant Fidelity tube dac
B&k 1430
Tad 803 speakers
Only he hooks 'em to the wrong connections...
Office: Roon * Sonore UltraRendu (LPS-1, WW Plat7, Iso Regen, Lush) * ProJect Pre Box S2 * Pass ACA * PSA Dectet * DH Labs Q10 * Brines Folded ML-TQWT RS 40-1354
Beach: Music Hall MMF5.1se * Speed Box II * DL103r * Lounge Copla/LCRIII * W4S Sonos * Schiit Yggdrasil * Belles 20a Pre * First Watt F5 Clone * PSA Dectet * MIT S3 * Polk SRS 2.3tl
Yes. My daughter and I were playing Rush Exit Stage Left last night with the lights out and I think during The Trees she said "Dad I think I heard something behind me...".
SDA 1C's - Full mod with the help by Dave...
1000 Va Dreadnought- w/ WireWorld Mini-Eclipse cables
WireWorld Mini-Eclipse 7 speaker cables
WireWorld Silver Eclipse IC's
Cambridge Audio Azur 851N - DAC/Streamer
B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro
B&K M200 Sonata Monoblocks
BLE-Design 16mm Power Cables
Denon DVD 2900
Barn system:
SDA SRS 2.3's Full mod done by myself
Carver C-1 pre
Carver M1.5t
BluDenso - Bluetooth receiver/DAC
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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