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motorstereo wrote: »These type of threads I like seeing a "troll" appear as it normally brings out a few well informed members for rebuttal. Then I get the benefit of learning something new.
Calling someone a Troll that has taken time to post a polite view that you simply do not like or agree with, is.......?
If all you seek is agreement and validation of your opinions or views, great, but why get so bent out of shape when another view or idea is presented?
Perhaps seeing other views (which there are many on audio forums) will truly help you learn something "New", and not just reaffirm what you want to hear. -
^^^^^Hmmm; I don't remember referring to a specific person as being a "troll" but if the shoe fits then by all means wear it. As far as me being "bent out of shape" lol ok if you say so. You may also want to give that "bent out of shape" shoe a quick check for fitting at the same time.
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DarqueKnight wrote: »Have to disagree K_M. When I went from no name to Canare wire, thought I heard a little difference, but wasn’t quite sure. After a few weeks, switched back, and noticed that the midrange was less pronounced. Took a while, but got curious again.
@K_M 's experience differs from yours. She once thought she heard a difference in cables, but when she did a blind test, the differences "disappeared". When I (repeatedly) asked how the test was set up and what evaluation methodology was used (specifically, what performance criteria were listened for), she refused to answer.
Actually I will say there can be small differences for sure. But most are small enough that they fall into the "maybe, or maybe not" such as early morning listening, or listening on a sunny day, changes my perception of sound.
The basis of stereophonic listening is sound localization. If the listener is not evaluating the placement of sound images in the stereo sound field and describing the quality of those sound images, then most of what is there can be missed. I have done trials were there was no difference in sound, but there was a difference in the size and location of sound images. I have also done trials were there was no sonic or localization differences, but there was a difference in the degree of tactile sensation generated.I will not get into "Discussions" with you, based on your previous "Style" of discussing, which usually is copying and pasting a bunch of information from other sources, and so on, and asking me specifically to prove you wrong........
I have never asked you to "prove me wrong". I have only asked you to justify or substantiate your statements. Someone participating in a discussion and acting in good faith and honesty should welcome the opportunity to substantiate their views, if such substantiation exists.
There is nothing wrong with quoting or "copying and pasting" a bunch of information from other sources as long as it is credible and pertinent to the discussion. However, I do understand that my style of discourse, based on scientific validity and credible research, would be unappealing, and even distasteful, to someone who apparently is not able to grasp basic technical concepts pertaining to stereophonic performance. Your preference for anecdotal and opinion-based discussion is understandable within that context.
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If all you seek is agreement and validation of your opinions or views, great, but why get so bent out of shape when another view or idea is presented?
These comments highlight a need for self reflection on your part. You are the one who gets bent out of shape when asked to substantiate, validate, or explain your opinions and views.Perhaps seeing other views (which there are many on audio forums) will truly help you learn something "New", and not just reaffirm what you want to hear.
This is strange coming from you since you criticized me for referencing credible and pertinent research because it didn't reaffirm, and actually invalidated, what you wanted to believe.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.
Not really....a dozen or so of the same guys, saying the same stuff, on a forum with a very small membership, really does nothing to upset me at all.
If you venture to much larger audio forums, you would see many different views overall.
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I say go ahead and venture there my man
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I don't choose forum memberships based some pathological need to challenge the views of the membership, nor do I choose forum memberships based on the size of the forum. I choose forum membership based on common interest and a desire to exchange useful information. I have a significant, decades-long investment in Polk Audio speakers, therefore this forum is a good fit for my interests.If you venture to much larger audio forums, you would see your views get challenged a lot more.
But I truly understand it feels good to stay where you feel as if your views are reinforced, but try venturing out some.
Why such emphasis on "much larger forums", as if the sheer number of people saying something makes it true, correct, and right. Another name for that is "mob mentality". If one person says 2+2=4 and one million people say 2+2=6, the lie does not become the truth because one million people say or believe it.
Size sometimes matters, but not so much when it pertains to the size of an Internet forum. What is more important is the validity and usefulness of the information being shared.
The size of a forum, or any other group, has no relationship to whether the group's views are correct or not. The fact that you would imply such calls your integrity into question.
It appears that your purpose here is to "challenge" rather than to contribute and learn. Nothing wrong with challenging per se, as I've done quite a bit of "challenging" and debunking on this, and other, forums, as well as having my research-oriented views published in other media ( e.g. science journal, audio magazine).
You are using the logical fallacy known as the "bandwagon fallacy". In other words, when someone's view cannot be substantiated based on credible science or other credible evidence, they say that it must be true because a "large" or "much larger" group of people hold the same view. You are also using the logical fallacy known as "ad hominem" where someone's totally unrelated personal characteristics are attacked as a means of devaluing their arguments. Whether or not a member of this forum is a member of a number of "much larger" forums is totally unrelated to the truth of their views.
People resort to logical fallacies when they know their views or positions to be weak or false, but want (or need) them to be accepted anyway.Post edited by DarqueKnight onProud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
DarqueKnight wrote: »
I don't choose forum memberships based some pathological need to challenge the views of the membership, nor do I choose forum memberships based on the size of the forum. I choose forum membership based on common interest and a desire to exchange useful information. I have a significant, decades-long investment in Polk Audio speakers, therefore this forum is a good fit for my interests.If you venture to much larger audio forums, you would see your views get challenged a lot more.
But I truly understand it feels good to stay where you feel as if your views are reinforced, but try venturing out some.
Why such emphasis on "much larger forums", as if the sheer number of people saying something makes it true, correct, and right. Another name for that is "mob mentality". If one person says 2+2=4 and one million people say 2+2=6, the lie does not become the truth because one million people say or believe it.
Size sometimes matters, but not so much when it pertains to the size of an Internet forum. What is more important is the validity and usefulness of the information being shared.
The size of a forum, or any other group, has no relationship to whether the group's views are correct or not. The fact that you would imply such calls your integrity into question.
It appears that your purpose here is to "challenge" rather than to contribute and learn. Nothing wrong with challenging per se, as I've done quite a bit of "challenging" and debunking on this, and other, forums, as well as having my research-oriented views published in other media ( e.g. science journal, audio magazine).
You are using the logical fallacy known as the "bandwagon fallacy". In other words, when someone's view cannot be substantiated based on credible science or other credible evidence, they say that it must be true because a "large" or "much larger" group of people hold the same view. You are also using the logical fallacy known as "ad hominem" where someone's totally unrelated personal characteristics are attacked as a means of devaluing their arguments. Whether or not a member of this forum is a member of a number of "much larger" forums is totally unrelated to the truth of their views.
People resort to logical fallacies when they know their views or positions to be weak or false, but want (or need) them to be accepted anyway.
I would be hesitant to bring up your contributions to other audio forums, as I believe some did not go over well at all, if it is the forum I am thinking of, and am a member of.
I have praised some stuff you say, but I do not blindly agree with anyone.
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I would be hesitant to bring up your contributions to other audio forums, as I believe some did not go over well at all, if it is the forum I am thinking of, and am a member of.
I have praised some stuff you say, but I do not blindly agree with anyone.
You should take your own advice and be hesitant to accept something just because a "huge" number of people agree with it. You say you don't blindly agree with anyone, but you appear to blindly agree to a concept if a large number of people agree with it.
There is no need for me to be hesitant about discussing my comments on other forums because I have consistently based my views on credible science and my own credible personal experience.
Again, my interest is in learning and sharing credible information, and not being "praised".
As for you, I have never requested blind disagreement. I have only asked you to credibly substantiate your views.
Again, whether something "goes over well" with a particular group is not an indication of truth. Truth stands on its own, whether 0 or 1 billion people accept it. You seem to be hung up on mass acceptance. I find security and validation in truth and scientific credibility...not in whether or not a lot of people agree with me.
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I am a member of larger forums, some are better in terms of personal experience with higher quality audio gear and some are overrun by those with little or no personal experience with higher quality gear. It is those inexperienced folks that tend to be the naysayer type. As such there is little to learn from those folks as opposed to this forum where bettering ones audio experience is a common goal making it one of the best audio forums. This forum is also a rather unique in the way many have become good friends and open their doors to just about anyone interested in audio.
As for you not being upset by being schooled once again proves once again that your mind was and remains closed. In addition, your posts in this thread leave little doubt as to your passive aggressive character trait. Some self reflection on your part could do you well.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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@DarqueKnight I am pretty sure the Saul Alinsky method is being used here.
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If we got F1 into vinyl. We can get K_M into cables!2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
That’s awesome!! 👏 👏
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If we got F1 into vinyl. We can get K_M into cables!
that sounds a little funny, out of context.
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Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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I just love these discussions. So much passion. Someone needs to start one titled " What are the best interconnects".
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It's an odd thing about which to get passionate, from my perspective. Loudspeakers, sure. Sources ('specially analog ones), no doubt. Amplifiers, all righty then.
Pieces of wire...
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mhardy6647 wrote: »
Pieces of wire...
Lol!2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
Well Mark, I can get passionate about caps, resistors, spikes, speaker stands, binding posts, IEC's, solder, outlets, etc., so why not cables?
Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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Well Mark, I can get passionate about caps, resistors, spikes, speaker stands, binding posts, IEC's, solder, outlets, etc., so why not cables?
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joecoulson wrote: »@DarqueKnight I am pretty sure the Saul Alinsky method is being used here.
Oh, OK. Thanks. I had to look up Saul Alinsky. In "Rules for Radicals" he wrote:
"The job of the organizer is to maneuver and bait the establishment so that it will publicly attack him as a 'dangerous enemy'. The hysterical instant reaction of the establishment [will] not only validate [the organizer's] credentials of competency but also ensure automatic popular invitation."
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/newt-gingrich-is-a-saul-alinsky-republican-1088701
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How about Himalayan salt lamps? No joke.... I was reading an article to my wife (basically making fun of) about the use of salt lamps in the listening room.... apparently it benefits sound quality. Can anyone guess what I got for Christmas?2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
How about Himalayan salt lamps? No joke.... I was reading an article to my wife (basically making fun of) about the use of salt lamps in the listening room.... apparently it benefits sound quality. Can anyone guess what I got for Christmas?
A heck a lot cheaper than negative ion generators for audio use.Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Dac: Sonnet Morpheus 2, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkIII
Transport: Jay's Audio CDT2 mk2, Lumin U1 mini
Speakers: Rosso Fiorentino Volterra II
Speaker Cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Organic Audio Organic Reference 2
Interconnects: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2, Argento Organic Reference 2, Argento Organic 2
Power Cables: Argento Organic Reference, Synergistic Research Foundation 10 and 12 ga.
Digital cables: Crystal Clear Magnum Opus 2 bnc, Tellurium Q aes, Silnote Audio Poseidon Signature 2 bnc
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How about Himalayan salt lamps? No joke.... I was reading an article to my wife (basically making fun of) about the use of salt lamps in the listening room.... apparently it benefits sound quality. Can anyone guess what I got for Christmas?
A heck a lot cheaper than negative ion generators for audio use.
From what I read there is scientific evidence that it cleans air. So far.. I find it relaxing to use in my listening room.2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables. -
Well Mark, I can get passionate about caps, resistors, spikes, speaker stands, binding posts, IEC's, solder, outlets, etc., so why not cables?
Good point, and well taken.
Took me 4-plus decades for me to realize that it's perfectly OK for folks to enjoy/get passionate about any aspect of this hobby, whether congruent to my tastes or not. Obviously, I am still on that learning curve!
It's all good.
Well...
maybe...
'cept Cerwin-Vegas.
Yeah.
Everything 'cept Cerwin-Vegas.
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If we got F1 into vinyl. We can get K_M into cables!
You'll have better luck training me to be a Michael Phelps grade swimmer....
And if those salt lamps clean the air then the Himalayas and India should be prestine air right.
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Pretty dead on right @DarqueKnight ?
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As for you not being upset by being schooled once again proves once again that your mind was and remains closed. In addition, your posts in this thread leave little doubt as to your passive aggressive character trait. Some self reflection on your part could do you well.
Some alcohol could do me well also....
