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  • KennethSwaugerKennethSwauger Moderator Posts: 6,846
    edited December 2018
    Kind of like "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation".
    "They thought we were too loud, but shoot, I had four army blankets folded over my amp, and the volume level was on 2. I'm used to playin' on 10!" S.R.V.
  • You'd swear this was a speaker wire forum. You won't see this much passion at a southern revival.
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,448
    My power cable leads those revivals

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  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 2,056
    This is the first time I’ve ever seen anybody work in green cowboy boots into a cable thread, so something new.
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,541
    edited December 2018
    rpf65 wrote: »
    This is the first time I’ve ever seen anybody work in green cowboy boots into a cable thread, so something new.
    My boots have become a diffuser of tension on the forum. They bring happiness and joy! It's the equivalent of waking up to a Christmas tree full of presents when you're a little kid. Or smelling coffee and bacon in the morning. Who doesn't love that? Merry Christmas!
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    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps
  • motorhead43026motorhead43026 Posts: 3,286
    edited December 2018
    ^^I would much prefer bo-obs, lots of bo-obs.
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    All TV's sound enhanced by Polk Magnfi Mini's.

    Other; S60'S, M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All speakers have had crossover rebuilds, resulting in a small fortune invested in Sonicaps, and tweeter upgrades.

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  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,541
    edited December 2018
    ^^I would much prefer bo-obs, lots of bo-obs.
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    This is the best I could do, the only kind of booby the forum allows.
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline MkIII x7 | Sanus UF30 | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | Acoustic Panels, GIK Soffit Traps
  • ken brydsonken brydson Posts: 7,521
    edited December 2018
    Hermitism wrote: »
    ^^I would much prefer bo-obs, lots of bo-obs.
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    This is the best I could do, the only kind of booby the forum allows.

    David Lee Roth?

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  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,455
    tonyb wrote: »
    Kind of like "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation".

    LOL...complete with our own "cousin Eddie" AKA....Russ. :)

    What's your address?....
  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 5,001
    lightman1 wrote: »
    tonyb wrote: »
    Kind of like "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation".

    LOL...complete with our own "cousin Eddie" AKA....Russ. :)

    What's your address?....

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    Have but haven't used in a while: LH Labs VI Dac, Cayin SCD50T

  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,060
    Man if only some cable naysayers would offer their unsolicited advice...
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Man if only some cable naysayers would offer their unsolicited advice...

    I like unsolicited cable naysayer advice. It's even better when such advice does not have come from the advisor's practical or reasonable personal experience.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,439
    ^^I would much prefer bo-obs, lots of bo-obs.

    See, we can agree on some things. lol

    BTW Russ, my addy is 1 north Frosty lane, North pole....see ya in the summer, maybe. :)
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  • halohalo Posts: 5,201
    Hermitism wrote: »
    ^^I would much prefer bo-obs, lots of bo-obs.
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    This is the best I could do, the only kind of booby the forum allows.

    What about these B(. Y .)bs?
  • lightman1lightman1 Posts: 10,455
    tonyb wrote: »
    ^^I would much prefer bo-obs, lots of bo-obs.

    See, we can agree on some things. lol

    BTW Russ, my addy is 1 north Frosty lane, North pole....see ya in the summer, maybe. :)

    Sweet! I'll bring canolli and scotch....
  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,390
    rpf65 wrote: »
    Have to disagree K_M. When I went from no name to Canare wire, thought I heard a little difference, but wasn’t quite sure. After a few weeks, switched back, and noticed that the midrange was less pronounced. Took a while, but got curious again.

    @K_M 's experience differs from yours. She once thought she heard a difference in cables, but when she did a blind test, the differences "disappeared". When I (repeatedly) asked how the test was set up and what evaluation methodology was used (specifically, what performance criteria were listened for), she refused to answer.

    Actually I will say there can be small differences for sure. But most are small enough that they fall into the "maybe, or maybe not" such as early morning listening, or listening on a sunny day, changes my perception of sound.

    I will not get into "Discussions" with you, based on your previous "Style" of discussing, which usually is copying and pasting a bunch of information from other sources, and so on, and asking me specifically to prove you wrong........

    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,390
    edited December 2018
    These type of threads I like seeing a "troll" appear as it normally brings out a few well informed members for rebuttal. Then I get the benefit of learning something new.

    Calling someone a Troll that has taken time to post a polite view that you simply do not like or agree with, is.......?

    If all you seek is agreement and validation of your opinions or views, great, but why get so bent out of shape when another view or idea is presented?

    Perhaps seeing other views (which there are many on audio forums) will truly help you learn something "New", and not just reaffirm what you want to hear.
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,296
    ^^^^^Hmmm; I don't remember referring to a specific person as being a "troll" but if the shoe fits then by all means wear it. As far as me being "bent out of shape" lol ok if you say so. You may also want to give that "bent out of shape" shoe a quick check for fitting at the same time.
  • K_M wrote: »
    rpf65 wrote: »
    Have to disagree K_M. When I went from no name to Canare wire, thought I heard a little difference, but wasn’t quite sure. After a few weeks, switched back, and noticed that the midrange was less pronounced. Took a while, but got curious again.

    @K_M 's experience differs from yours. She once thought she heard a difference in cables, but when she did a blind test, the differences "disappeared". When I (repeatedly) asked how the test was set up and what evaluation methodology was used (specifically, what performance criteria were listened for), she refused to answer.

    Actually I will say there can be small differences for sure. But most are small enough that they fall into the "maybe, or maybe not" such as early morning listening, or listening on a sunny day, changes my perception of sound.

    The basis of stereophonic listening is sound localization. If the listener is not evaluating the placement of sound images in the stereo sound field and describing the quality of those sound images, then most of what is there can be missed. I have done trials were there was no difference in sound, but there was a difference in the size and location of sound images. I have also done trials were there was no sonic or localization differences, but there was a difference in the degree of tactile sensation generated.
    K_M wrote: »
    I will not get into "Discussions" with you, based on your previous "Style" of discussing, which usually is copying and pasting a bunch of information from other sources, and so on, and asking me specifically to prove you wrong........

    I have never asked you to "prove me wrong". I have only asked you to justify or substantiate your statements. Someone participating in a discussion and acting in good faith and honesty should welcome the opportunity to substantiate their views, if such substantiation exists.

    There is nothing wrong with quoting or "copying and pasting" a bunch of information from other sources as long as it is credible and pertinent to the discussion. However, I do understand that my style of discourse, based on scientific validity and credible research, would be unappealing, and even distasteful, to someone who apparently is not able to grasp basic technical concepts pertaining to stereophonic performance. Your preference for anecdotal and opinion-based discussion is understandable within that context.

    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • K_M wrote: »
    If all you seek is agreement and validation of your opinions or views, great, but why get so bent out of shape when another view or idea is presented?

    These comments highlight a need for self reflection on your part. You are the one who gets bent out of shape when asked to substantiate, validate, or explain your opinions and views.
    K_M wrote: »
    Perhaps seeing other views (which there are many on audio forums) will truly help you learn something "New", and not just reaffirm what you want to hear.

    This is strange coming from you since you criticized me for referencing credible and pertinent research because it didn't reaffirm, and actually invalidated, what you wanted to believe.
    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,683
    Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,390
    edited December 2018
    F1nut wrote: »
    Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.

    Not really....a dozen or so of the same guys, saying the same stuff, on a forum with a very small membership, really does nothing to upset me at all.
    If you venture to much larger audio forums, you would see many different views overall.
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,448
    I say go ahead and venture there my man
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,390
    edited December 2018
    K_M wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.

    Not really....a dozen or so of the same guys, saying the same stuff, on a forum with a very small membership, really does nothing to upset me at all.

    I don't choose forum memberships based some pathological need to challenge the views of the membership, nor do I choose forum memberships based on the size of the forum. I choose forum membership based on common interest and a desire to exchange useful information. I have a significant, decades-long investment in Polk Audio speakers, therefore this forum is a good fit for my interests.
    K_M wrote: »
    If you venture to much larger audio forums, you would see your views get challenged a lot more.

    But I truly understand it feels good to stay where you feel as if your views are reinforced, but try venturing out some.

    Why such emphasis on "much larger forums", as if the sheer number of people saying something makes it true, correct, and right. Another name for that is "mob mentality". If one person says 2+2=4 and one million people say 2+2=6, the lie does not become the truth because one million people say or believe it.

    Size sometimes matters, but not so much when it pertains to the size of an Internet forum. What is more important is the validity and usefulness of the information being shared.

    The size of a forum, or any other group, has no relationship to whether the group's views are correct or not. The fact that you would imply such calls your integrity into question.

    It appears that your purpose here is to "challenge" rather than to contribute and learn. Nothing wrong with challenging per se, as I've done quite a bit of "challenging" and debunking on this, and other, forums, as well as having my research-oriented views published in other media ( e.g. science journal, audio magazine).

    You are using the logical fallacy known as the "bandwagon fallacy". In other words, when someone's view cannot be substantiated based on credible science or other credible evidence, they say that it must be true because a "large" or "much larger" group of people hold the same view. You are also using the logical fallacy known as "ad hominem" where someone's totally unrelated personal characteristics are attacked as a means of devaluing their arguments. Whether or not a member of this forum is a member of a number of "much larger" forums is totally unrelated to the truth of their views.

    People resort to logical fallacies when they know their views or positions to be weak or false, but want (or need) them to be accepted anyway.

    I would be hesitant to bring up your contributions to other audio forums, as I believe some did not go over well at all, if it is the forum I am thinking of, and am a member of.

    I have praised some stuff you say, but I do not blindly agree with anyone.

    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4,SDA 3.1TL, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Epos-Now gone
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
    Yamaha A-S801
    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • DarqueKnightDarqueKnight Posts: 6,570
    edited December 2018
    K_M wrote: »
    I would be hesitant to bring up your contributions to other audio forums, as I believe some did not go over well at all, if it is the forum I am thinking of, and am a member of.

    I have praised some stuff you say, but I do not blindly agree with anyone.

    You should take your own advice and be hesitant to accept something just because a "huge" number of people agree with it. You say you don't blindly agree with anyone, but you appear to blindly agree to a concept if a large number of people agree with it.

    There is no need for me to be hesitant about discussing my comments on other forums because I have consistently based my views on credible science and my own credible personal experience.

    Again, my interest is in learning and sharing credible information, and not being "praised".

    As for you, I have never requested blind disagreement. I have only asked you to credibly substantiate your views.

    Again, whether something "goes over well" with a particular group is not an indication of truth. Truth stands on its own, whether 0 or 1 billion people accept it. You seem to be hung up on mass acceptance. I find security and validation in truth and scientific credibility...not in whether or not a lot of people agree with me.


    "So hot it burns Mice!"~DK
    "Polk SDA-SRSs are hopelessly out of date both sonically and technologically... I see no value whatsoever in older SDA speakers."~Audio Asylum Member
    "Knowledge, without understanding, is a path to failure."~DK
    "Those who irrationally rail against something or someone that is no threat to them, actually desire (or desire to be like) the thing or person they are railing against."~DK
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,683
    K_M wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.

    Not really....a dozen or so of the same guys, saying the same stuff, on a forum with a very small membership, really does nothing to upset me at all.
    If you venture to much larger audio forums, you would see many different views overall.

    I am a member of larger forums, some are better in terms of personal experience with higher quality audio gear and some are overrun by those with little or no personal experience with higher quality gear. It is those inexperienced folks that tend to be the naysayer type. As such there is little to learn from those folks as opposed to this forum where bettering ones audio experience is a common goal making it one of the best audio forums. This forum is also a rather unique in the way many have become good friends and open their doors to just about anyone interested in audio.

    As for you not being upset by being schooled once again proves once again that your mind was and remains closed. In addition, your posts in this thread leave little doubt as to your passive aggressive character trait. Some self reflection on your part could do you well.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,448
    @DarqueKnight I am pretty sure the Saul Alinsky method is being used here.
    Auralic Vega G1/Rega TT/Denon SACD - Parasound P6 - PS Audio M700x2 - Elac Adante AF-61
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