Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
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    Just received some HDMI 1.3 C.2 from Monoprice. These 24 Gauge HDMI cables with Net Jacket are awesome. They fit perfectly with my Pio gear. I tried to shake them lightly but they refused to come off . Good products for the price. Highly recommended.

    Does anyone have good experience with their HDMI switcher?
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
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    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    Just received some HDMI 1.3 C.2 from Monoprice. These 24 Gauge HDMI cables with Net Jacket are awesome. They fit perfectly with my Pio gear. I tried to shake them lightly but they refused to come off . Good products for the price. Highly recommended.


    I use the Monoprice HDMI 1.3 cables in my home theater rig. I still have yet to see a performance difference in HDMI cables in my home theater system. Here is a link to an HDMI cable comparison I did a couple months ago: Tweaking Home Theater Pt. 4.

    However, I don't doubt that other people, with other eyes, other televisions, other DVD and Blu-ray players, and other associated electronics and speakers DO see and hear a difference.

    I am a cable cultist.
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  • SolidSqual
    SolidSqual Posts: 5,218
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    jinjuku wrote: »
    What's worse is some people like to badmouth good gear (IMO) that every one can afford cough Emotiva cough:D

    Eh, Emotiva isn't hated just criticized for marketing hype. I love them, just moved past them.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Yes, I understand that. I'm just talking about the underlying motivation whether subliminal or otherwise.

    EDIT: Some people like to badmouth gear they can't afford. And then, they convince themselves the gear is not worth the money so they can feel better about it. It's the "snobby audiophile" complex.
    Gear is a different subject than cables. I am convinced that most people that do not consider the extra expense on high end cable (not meaning garbage cable) consider that higher end gear is futile. I know I don't, there are different class of amping technology and we all know there is a price tag for this. I personnally don't think that for most the cable debate is the same as gear debate.

    Now, debate/beliefs/subtility are totally different than hate. No one that believe that high end cables are futile hate those cables or their users... simply a difference of opinions, simply subtle (in that specific discussion anyway).

    However, I find arrogant, disrecpectfull people that jumps in discussions on the merit/evaluation/report/testing/reviews of such high end cables where people like DarqueKnight discuss such merits. If you want to read them, do so but refrain from trashing down their reviews. If you can't bear to even read their reviews, refrain from doing so. Why read some you don't believe in (maybe trying to convince your self? ;))? This discussion is fair for debating the pros and cons but not the discussions dedicated to the believers, who ever does such is rude and arrogant!

    Cheers!
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
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    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    I use the Monoprice HDMI 1.3 cables in my home theater rig. I still have yet to see a performance difference in HDMI cables in my home theater system. Here is a link to an HDMI cable comparison I did a couple months ago: Tweaking Home Theater Pt. 4.

    However, I don't doubt that other people, with other eyes, other televisions, other DVD and Blu-ray players, and other associated electronics and speakers DO see and hear a difference.

    I am a cable cultist.

    For abt 8 or 9 bucks a piece , these cables are too good for the price. I don't know much abt digital cable so I cannot say there is any difference or not. Judging by the way they are built, I am happy as long as they support 1080p.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,826
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    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    This subject has proven to be a very sensitive issue and there is no way to solve this issue with any technical, scientific or practical experience.

    With the differences that people describe when listening to cables, it would be easy to settle this.
    Your personal listening experience said YES while your technical experiment said NO. So, now you choose to trustt the technical/scientific testing over the listening experience while many choose to trust their listening experience instead.

    They were both personal listening experiences. Only difference was, one relied on the ears only.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    I use the Monoprice HDMI 1.3 cables in my home theater rig. I still have yet to see a performance difference in HDMI cables in my home theater system. Here is a link to an HDMI cable comparison I did a couple months ago: Tweaking Home Theater Pt. 4.

    However, I don't doubt that other people, with other eyes, other televisions, other DVD and Blu-ray players, and other associated electronics and speakers DO see and hear a difference.

    I am a cable cultist.
    However, it is known that with digital signals don't require higher end cables. 0s and 1s are and will always be 0s and 1s as long as they can go throught the cables (maybe the reason in this case you didn't see subtle differences ;)). However, you are still right some people will arguee to death that there is (Mon$$ter as an example).

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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    With the differences that people describe when listening to cables, it would be easy to settle this.



    They were both personal listening experiences. Only difference was, one relied on the ears only.
    But again, many will disagree with you or I! Who's right or wrong, can you honestly say? Do you or I have enough expertise or evidence to determine we are right? If so, this debate would have been long closed ;)

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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
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    DarqueKnight wrote: »
    I use the Monoprice HDMI 1.3 cables in my home theater rig. I still have yet to see a performance difference in HDMI cables in my home theater system. Here is a link to an HDMI cable comparison I did a couple months ago: Tweaking Home Theater Pt. 4.

    However, I don't doubt that other people, with other eyes, other televisions, other DVD and Blu-ray players, and other associated electronics and speakers DO see and hear a difference.

    I am a cable cultist.

    Sorry to be off the subject. Since you have the BDP09, please tell me about its analog performance. I have the BDP95/bdp51/ 58 and I am quite happy with their 2 channel analog ouput. Love to upgrade to the 09 but the price bracket is way above my head.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    Kex wrote: »
    Actually, you got that backwards, to some extent. Emotiva fanboys want everyone to admit several things that not everyone is prepared to accept as truth:

    1) Emotiva is better than ALL expensive equipment. Those who have owned expensive equipment and are prepared to buy Emotiva and love it are invited to join the Emotiva Lounge immediately and proclaim said discovery ASAP. Just admit it: expensive equipment cannot ever sound better than Emotiva.

    2) Emotiva is great. If you don't like it, you're wrong. There is no possible way you could have listened objectively and not thought it was great too.

    3) Specifications are everything! They are the truth, they are the path, they are the light, they will lead you to salvation and eternal redemption! Emotiva plays the specs. game the same way receiver manufacturers have been doing for years, only they're better at it.

    4) Emotiva's "free trial" is awesome, nobody has a better buying experience! Actually, it costs more than an bricks & mortar store's free trial (you don't have to pay to bring it back to a store). All Internet Direct sales models include a "free trial, just pay shipping" clause, including my own sales in the Club Polk Flea Market (no, really ... I keed U not!). They are not being "awesome" or "fantastic", they are doing what it takes to business via the internet. In fact, here's a company that many will know that really puts its money where it's mouth (mouse) is:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/whypolk.php
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
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    Kex wrote: »
    Actually, you got that backwards, to some extent. Emotiva fanboys want everyone to admit several things that not everyone is prepared to accept as truth:

    1) Emotiva is better than ALL expensive equipment. Those who have owned expensive equipment and are prepared to buy Emotiva and love it are invited to join the Emotiva Lounge immediately and proclaim said discovery ASAP. Just admit it: expensive equipment cannot ever sound better than Emotiva.

    2) Emotiva is great. If you don't like it, you're wrong. There is no possible way you could have listened objectively and not thought it was great too.

    3) Specifications are everything! They are the truth, they are the path, they are the light, they will lead you to salvation and eternal redemption! Emotiva plays the specs. game the same way receiver manufacturers have been doing for years, only they're better at it.

    4) Emotiva's "free trial" costs more than an bricks & mortar store's free trial (you don't have to pay to bring it back to a store). All Internet Direct sales models include a "free trial, just pay shipping" clause, including my own sales in the Club Polk Flea Market (no, really ... I keed U not!). They are not being "awesome" or "fantastic", they are doing what it takes to business via the internet. In fact, here's a company that many will know that really puts its money where it's mouth (mouse) is:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/whypolk.php

    With these free trial equipments, what will these manufactures do with them once they get the merch back ? Re-box and sell them to the next unfortunate customer(s) as new, perharps . I certainly do not want that piece.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
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    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    However, it is known that with digital signals don't require higher end cables. 0s and 1s are and will always be 0s and 1s as long as they can go throught the cables (maybe the reason in this case you didn't see subtle differences ;)). However, you are still right some people will arguee to death that there is (Mon$$ter as an example).

    Cheers!
    TK


    I have never heard or seen a difference between any type of digital (coax, HDMI) or optical cable. I do think that cable quality might help if the jitter reduction of a digital component is marginal or poor and if data stream errors and pulse shape irregularities are aggravated by impurities and noise in a metal conductor digital cable or a glass or plastic conductor optical cable.
    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    Sorry to be off the subject. Since you have the BDP09, please tell me about its analog performance. I have the BDP95/bdp51/ 58 and I am quite happy with their 2 channel analog ouput. Love to upgrade to the 09 but the price bracket is way above my head.

    That is discussed in the BDP-09FD thread.
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
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    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    With these free trial equipments, what will these manufactures do with them once they get the merch back ? Re-box and sell them to the next unfortunate customer(s) as new, perharps . I certainly do not want that piece.

    No scrupulous manufacturer or retailer does this. Returned items are labeled as such and are sold as "returns", "B-stock", or "open box" merchandise, usually at a very nice discount.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    With these free trial equipments, what will these manufactures do with them once they get the merch back ? Re-box and sell them to the next unfortunate customer(s) as new, perharps . I certainly do not want that piece.
    How about their ebay store ;) Polkies have claimed to be getting so called refurbished gear looking as new, could this be the returned gear? Your questions is however fair, I ask my self the same question and with much more importance whe it comes to matresses... would you buy and sleep in a matress that someone slept in and returned :eek: How do we know this isn't happening? Repackaging is fairly easy for a manufacturer and we would probably not even notice it was ever previously bought and used :confused:

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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    I used to think the same thing. Then I did an honest blind listening test. Suddenly those "huge" differences disappeared, not just for me, but for all the other participants as well.

    For some reason, we could all hear the "huge" differences when we knew which cables were being used, go figure.

    I fully appreciate what you are saying, but in staged listening tests, I believe you react differently than when you've been typing away in a forum or contemplating data in a spreadsheet for an hour, and then suddenly exclaim. "Wow, I never heard that tambourine slap in that verse before!" :)
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
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    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    How about their ebay store ;) Polkies have claimed to be getting so called refurbished gear looking as new, could this be the returned gear? Your questions is however fair, I ask my self the same question and with much more importance whe it comes to matresses... would you buy and sleep in a matress that someone slept in and returned :eek: How do we know this isn't happening? Repackaging is fairly easy for a manufacturer and we would probably not even notice it was ever previously bought and used :confused:

    Cheers!
    TK

    I bought the Onkyo 805 @ CC a year or year 1.2 ago, everything looked in tact but the wrapping paper showed signed of re-pack. I took it back and they neither admitted nor refused the fact.
    My email of complaint to Onkyo went to a black hole somewhere in the universe of re-packaging.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    Gear is a different subject than cables. I am convinced that most people that do not consider the extra expense on high end cable (not meaning garbage cable) consider that higher end gear is futile. I know I don't, there are different class of amping technology and we all know there is a price tag for this. I personnally don't think that for most the cable debate is the same as gear debate.

    Now, debate/beliefs/subtility are totally different than hate. No one that believe that high end cables are futile hate those cables or their users... simply a difference of opinions, simply subtle (in that specific discussion anyway).

    However, I find arrogant, disrecpectfull people that jumps in discussions on the merit/evaluation/report/testing/reviews of such high end cables where people like DarqueKnight discuss such merits. If you want to read them, do so but refrain from trashing down their reviews. If you can't bear to even read their reviews, refrain from doing so. Why read some you don't believe in (maybe trying to convince your self? ;))? This discussion is fair for debating the pros and cons but not the discussions dedicated to the believers, who ever does such is rude and arrogant!

    Cheers!
    TK

    Cheers!

    A paradigm shift I reached about a year ago was: Cable IS Gear :)
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
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    I'm sorry to say Bob hasn't been following this thread. He hasn't been here since: 05-21-2009 @ 07:23 PM
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    Face wrote: »
    I'm sorry to say Bob hasn't been following this thread. He hasn't been here since: 05-21-2009 @ 07:23 PM

    I'm glad civility has returned and there aren't a lot of Molotov's being tossed around like those good old days :D
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
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    SolidSqual wrote: »
    Eh, Emotiva isn't hated just criticized for marketing hype. I love them, just moved past them.

    The marketing hype that I have seen singularly pointed out here is the word 'Reference'. Correct?
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
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    inspiredsports wrote: »
    I fully appreciate what you are saying, but in staged listening tests, I believe you react differently than when you've been typing away in a forum or contemplating data in a spreadsheet for an hour, and then suddenly exclaim. "Wow, I never heard that tambourine slap in that verse before!" :)[/QUOTE

    I would like for someone to try to listen to the first track of the Heartfelt CD by The Fourplay. Using the Kimber PBJ cables and paying attention to nothing but the sound of the cymbals. Listen to it for a week or so to the same track ( GaLaxia). While doing so, please mentally mark down what part of that track where the cymbals sound really harsh and in your face.

    Now, try the same track with the Hero. Again listen to that track for a week or so and paying only attention to how the cymbals sound. Is it kind of little dull not in your face or is it the same as the PBJ?

    Trying it for a few years or so then have somebody else switch the cables without let you know which cable pairs will be used. If you cannot differentiate between the PBJ and the Hero, either I am insane or something wrong with the person listening skill.

    The same thing can be done with " The Love Scence" by Diana Krall with the piano sound ( either track 3 or 4).

    Just my 2 cents. Cheer !
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
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    Kex wrote: »
    Actually, you got that backwards, to some extent. Emotiva fanboys want everyone to admit several things that not everyone is prepared to accept as truth:

    1) Emotiva is better than ALL expensive equipment. Those who have owned expensive equipment and are prepared to buy Emotiva and love it are invited to join the Emotiva Lounge immediately and proclaim said discovery ASAP. Just admit it: expensive equipment cannot ever sound better than Emotiva.

    My experience is Emo and the other gear I A/B'd sounded close. I would like to get more hands on with some higher end Edge/Pass etc...

    I dislike using the word better. Bright and crisp to some may require -1.5db of padding somewhere north of 6Khz for others. I still believe cables can be made to sound 'different'. I think the toughest sell with cables vs more complex equipment is one of measurement.
    Kex wrote: »
    2) Emotiva is great. If you don't like it, you're wrong. There is no possible way you could have listened objectively and not thought it was great too.

    You get un-apologetic fan boys of every manufacturer.
    Kex wrote: »
    3) Specifications are everything! They are the truth, they are the path, they are the light, they will lead you to salvation and eternal redemption! Emotiva plays the specs. game the same way receiver manufacturers have been doing for years, only they're better at it.

    Specs are a good jumping off point. That is as long as they are measured the same way with all manufacturers. Agreed there has been more game playing in recent history.
    Kex wrote: »
    4) Emotiva's "free trial" is awesome, nobody has a better buying experience! Actually, it costs more than a bricks & mortar store's free trial (you don't have to pay to bring it back to a store). All Internet Direct sales models include a "free trial, just pay shipping" clause, including my own sales in the Club Polk Flea Market (no, really ... I keed U not!).

    I can't get Kimber Kable or AQ to send out any thing for a free trial. In fact getting a full 5.1 or 7.1 AQ setup and then returning it with their 20% restock fee would cost MORE than sending something like an amp back!

    Shotgun and Signal at least have a trial period. Kudos.

    Believe it or not there are people that don't have a high end audio shop near by. It simply isn't feasible for them to go and demo in shop.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    Face wrote: »
    I'm sorry to say Bob hasn't been following this thread. He hasn't been here since: 05-21-2009 @ 07:23 PM
    Some people did mange to scare the witss out of him, touch skin isn't for everyone ;) I believe he'd be mighty proud to see where his controversial discussion went :D

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  • SolidSqual
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    jinjuku wrote: »
    The marketing hype that I have seen singularly pointed out here is the word 'Reference'. Correct?

    Hey, don't pick a fight with me. I think its asinine too. I love Emotiva.
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  • SolidSqual
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    Kex wrote: »
    You totally missed the point I was making. You drew a comparison earlier to people criticizing expensive gear, just because it was expensive, with those that criticize Emotiva's "affordable" gear, just because it's Emotiva and not an expensive, established brand such as X, Y, or Z.

    If one listens to Emotiva gear, and finds it lacking, and then reports one's findings on an internet forum such as C.P., one is not bashing Emotiva. The person reporting did not like it, when compared to other equipment within that person's experience, and it's as simple as that. Many Emotiva owners (and they seem to be large majority) have difficulty in taking negative evaluations at face value. In their opinion, the person reporting must have some axe to grind, or some other reason that explains this ridiculous (perceived) hatred for Emotiva.

    +1 Love Emotiva, but it's only the beginning of the high end.
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
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    inspiredsports wrote: »
    I'm glad civility has returned and there aren't a lot of Molotov's being tossed around like those good old days :D
    The subject title in it self was a good bomb for many, I guess the reason why the discussion started in such a flame and vigor. Poor Bobt was bombarded from everywhere he didn't realize where it was coming from. Never recuperate from it I guess. When the boys feel attacked here, I realised it can get vicious ;)

    Boys, don't get "emotivational" :D

    Cheers!
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  • DarqueKnight
    DarqueKnight Posts: 6,765
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    inspiredsports wrote: »
    I fully appreciate what you are saying, but in staged listening tests, I believe you react differently than when you've been typing away in a forum or contemplating data in a spreadsheet for an hour, and then suddenly exclaim. "Wow, I never heard that tambourine slap in that verse before!" :)

    Of course. How many times have we been able to perfectly recite information in during a class session, but then forget everything we know during a stressful examination?. Would the teacher be justified in saying that the student who funked the exam didn't know a damn thing...even though the student displayed the proper knowledge in class two days prior? I believe that if you are going to test something dealing with sensory perception, the test should be as close as possible to the actual use conditions.

    There are so many variables that determine whether a cable will make an audible difference, like, for example, cable break in.

    Two cables may have 300 hour break in ratings, but at what current load? This is often not specified. One cable may require 300 hours at 1 amp and the other cable may need 300 hours at only 0.5 amp. If both cables are broken in on a 0.5 amp continuous device, then the 300 amp-hour device will require 600 hours. Comparing both cables at the 300 hour mark would not give accurate results.
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
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    I never once said that i didn't beleive in quality cable's making any noticeble difference, i very much beleive that quality cable's are a necessity! I'm only trying to point out that you can get quality cable's and sound WITHOUT breaking the bank :cool: Why do people misinterpret thing's and put word's in other people's mouth/post?

    If you look around the net you can find most, if not all the same cable used to make "high end" cable's and most of it is priced by the foot or meter :) I would prefer to inform myself on what make's any given cable good or better than another cable and use that info to make an informed purchase and make my own cable's instead of buying them pre-made and paying the extra price for assembly/finish ;)

    Being on disability i don't have the disposable income that some have but i do like to have the best that i can afford :o That's why i was asking about the stranding earlier in post 2013 + 2015.... :o

    Below are a few link's that i think carry some pretty good stuff (from what i can tell) in bulk so that you/i/we can make your/our/his own cable's and use the cash saved for some bluray's, vinyl, beer, hooker's, whatever! lol

    http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/default.asp
    http://www.thecableco.com/index.php
    http://www.vhaudio.com/
    http://www.markertek.com/index.asp

    So again can someone please clarify for us the reason behind the different stranding practice's used? I know that basically it is for "skimming" but i would like to know more :o

    Maybe i asked in the wrong place :confused:
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,711
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    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    I never once said that i didn't beleive in quality cable's making any noticeble difference, i very much beleive that quality cable's are a necessity! I'm only trying to point out that you can get quality cable's and sound WITHOUT breaking the bank :cool: Why do people misinterpret thing's and put word's in other people's mouth/post?

    If you look around the net you can find most, if not all the same cable used to make "high end" cable's and most of it is priced by the foot or meter :) I would prefer to inform myself on what make's any given cable good or better than another cable and use that info to make an informed purchase and make my own cable's instead of buying them pre-made and paying the extra price for assembly/finish ;)

    Being on disability i don't have the disposable income that some have but i do like to have the best that i can afford :o That's why i was asking about the stranding earlier in post 2013 + 2015.... :o

    Below are a few link's that i think carry some pretty good stuff (from what i can tell) in bulk so that you/i/we can make your/our/his own cable's and use the cash saved for some bluray's, vinyl, beer, hooker's, whatever! lol

    http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/default.asp
    http://www.thecableco.com/index.php
    http://www.vhaudio.com/
    http://www.markertek.com/index.asp

    So again can someone please clarify for us the reason behind the different stranding practice's used? I know that basically it is for "skimming" but i would like to know more :o

    Maybe i asked in the wrong place :confused:

    It's a sliding scale........your quality sound is not my quality of sound. It's a subjective opinion and while what you are saying has truth........the truth is for you and you're situation. I can guarantee what you find as acceptable quality is much different than what I find acceptable.

    A Camry is a nice quality car.............but it's not a BMW or Porsche. Do you use the same logic against people who prefer a Porsche over a Camry?

    I don;t think you do.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,711
    edited October 2009
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    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

    Below are a few link's that i think carry some pretty good stuff (from what i can tell) in bulk so that you/i/we can make your/our/his own cable's and use the cash saved for some bluray's, vinyl, beer, hooker's, whatever! lol

    http://www.takefiveaudio.com/mall/default.asp
    http://www.thecableco.com/index.php
    http://www.vhaudio.com/
    http://www.markertek.com/index.asp

    So again can someone please clarify for us the reason behind the different stranding practice's used? I know that basically it is for "skimming" but i would like to know more :o

    Maybe i asked in the wrong place :confused:

    You'll also find by the time you buy all the materials and tools to build your own you'll be at the same cost or more. If you're going to use Techflex you really need a hot knife to do it properly. For the shrink tube a hot air gun works better and look better than anything. Inexpensive units combined will run you about $50, not to mention a good quality wire snipper.

    I have made my own, without the above and they won't win any beauty contests. Here's a link............you can't make these cables cheaper. I'd suggest these and be done with it.

    http://hcmaudio.com/comp.asp?compID=61

    Nicely terminated and sheathed Star Quad type wire

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | Galion TS P75 Pre | Holo Audio Cyan 2 Dac | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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