Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

anhchungdoan

WilliamM2 wrote: »

My post said nothing about cables, just his claim that AVS members backed out of a challenge, which is just a lie.

Would you like to bet on a football game? Any game, I don't care. If I win, you pay me $10,000, if you win, I'll give you nothing. What do you say?

I will the same language your big brother Bruins29, here my answer: You question is a DESPARATE ATTEMPT FOR A DESPARATE MEASURE BY COMPARING FOOTBALLS AND CABLES. The difference is there will be a winning team and there will be a loosing team. I did not claim there is ZERO diffrence among cables , didn't I. Some idiotic vultures did, didn' they? Maybe I lie too. I was called a fraud, wasn't I? They wanted me to prove that they ware wrong, I gave them a challange for 2 weeks, either their balls are smaller than their mouths or they are a bunch of vultures within a small cage of their data and tesing. Also, how about the dude who probably never saw or heard the Martin Logan SL3 and the Appogee Duetta but he claimed the Carver TFM 25 will driver the SL3 and the Duetta as good as the Krell KVA 250 and again, his science's measurement told him that amp is just an amp then when I challenged this idiot, he the changed his tone and claimed the Carver is class H and the Krell is class A. AV science my **** ! I am a caveman but at least I did not misguide anyone with my idiotic and narrow frame of mind? Come on. bring your clouds over here. I am ready.

anhchungdoan

inspiredsports wrote: »

First, I'm not sure why you sound so defensive. This is basically friendly territory as most here have open minds.

Second, I took the liberty of adding paragraph & phrase breaks in my quote to aid in making your post legible.

I was attacked and mocked by these vultures once for my belief and my experiment. Reading some of the posts, I recognize " they are here" . I am not defensive but rarther anger. BTW, tks for your assistance with my writing. ESL 101 is pretty hard for immigrations.

WilliamM2

Is it fair that a cave who will have ZERO chance to identify the three cables asking for 10K ?

Not at all, as long as you offer up the same amount if you can't.

I did not take any advance stastistic classes with my BBA when I was a youngster, but I know the answer.

Apparently you didn't take any english classes either.

sTiLlLeArNiNg

For what it's worth i check my ego at the forum Login page

IMHO all the trolling/flamming is really very sad....

WilliamM2

anhchungdoan wrote: »

I will the same language your big brother Bruins29, here my answer: You question is a DESPARATE ATTEMPT FOR A DESPARATE MEASURE BY COMPARING FOOTBALLS AND CABLES. The difference is there will be a winning team and there will be a loosing team. I did not claim there is ZERO diffrence among cables , didn't I. Some idiotic vultures did, didn' they? Maybe I lie too. I was called a fraud, wasn't I? They wanted me to prove that they ware wrong, I gave them a challange for 2 weeks, either their balls are smaller than their mouths or they are a bunch of vultures within a small cage of their data and tesing. Also, how about the dude who probably never saw or heard the Martin Logan SL3 and the Appogee Duetta but he claimed the Carver TFM 25 will driver the SL3 and the Duetta as good as the Krell KVA 250 and again, his science's measurement told him that amp is just an amp then when I challenged this idiot, he the changed his tone and claimed the Carver is class H and the Krell is class A. AV science my **** ! I am a caveman but at least I did not misguide anyone with my idiotic and narrow frame of mind? Come on. bring your clouds over here. I am ready.

What?

inspiredsports

anhchungdoan wrote: »

I was attacked and mocked by these vultures once for my belief and my experiment. Reading some of the posts, I recognize " they are here" . I am not defensive but rarther anger. BTW, tks for your assistance with my writing. ESL 101 is pretty hard for immigrations.

Great, I'm sure practice will make perfect.

Now, for my 2 cents worth, name calling and attacking won't help your case. I'd personally tone it down a bit.

It sounds like you have some good experience to share. I'd love to see it expressed in a non-hostile manner as I have learned a lot in this forum from those who respect, work, and play well with others.

anhchungdoan

WilliamM2 wrote: »

Not at all, as long as you offer up the same amount if you can't.



Apparently you didn't take any english classes either.

Well, My "English" class is okay enough to get me a BBA. How's your "english" class ?

anhchungdoan

inspiredsports wrote: »

Great, I'm sure practice will make perfect.

Now, for my 2 cents worth, name calling and attacking won't help your case. I'd personally tone it down a bit.

It sounds like you have some good experience to share. I'd love to see it expressed in a non-hostile manner as I have learned a lot in this forum from those who respect, work, and play well with others.

Well, I would respect my neighbour as much as he or she would respect me. Love thy neighbour, yes I do. When someone stated he/she can hear the difference among certain cablings or among amps, my response will be it's good for him/her and I wish he/she the best in finding what makes he/she a happy listener. I would not called he/she a FRAUD a LIAR before I have a valid proof. These vultures one after another one mocked, humiliated and litterally chased me as a guest out of their forum just because my belief and my experience not conforming with their "Science" square box of mind. Try it and you will see.

disneyjoe7

I Love Cable threads on this board.


Pass the Pop Corn please.

inspiredsports

anhchungdoan wrote: »

Well, I would respect my neighbour as much as he or she would respect me. Love thy neighbour, yes I do. When someone stated he/she can hear the difference among certain cablings or among amps, my response will be it's good for him/her and I wish he/she the best in finding what makes he/she a happy listener. I would not called he/she a FRAUD a LIAR before I have a valid proof. These vultures one after another one mocked, humiliated and litterally chased me as a guest out of their forum just because my belief and my experience not conforming with their "Science" square box of mind. Try it and you will see.

Dude, respect will come by your framing a logical argument based upon sharing what you have done.

What cables and interconnects are you currently using?

anhchungdoan

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

I Love Cable threads on this board.


Pass the Pop Corn please.

This is a very civilized forum. Please be my guest and enter the AVS forum and stated what you believe and do not believe. If you are not "one of us", these so-called scientists will called you a LIAR a FRAUD. The humiliation is brutal and salvage that you as a guest will have to bow out. Do not take my words for it, try it and see but be a very very conformist as I warn you so.

:eek:

anhchungdoan

inspiredsports wrote: »

Dude, respect will come by your framing a logical argument based upon sharing what you have done.

What cables and interconnects are you currently using?

I have been toying with Kimber Kables : PBJ, Hero, SilverStreak ( ICs) and 8TC for speaker cables. Not the best there is but I believe they are at the point of diminishing return.

treitz3

So, over at the AVS forum.....have the found out that they can make a sonic change or are they the "non-believer" type?

concealer404

Aneurysm in 3...... 2...... 1........

inspiredsports

anhchungdoan wrote: »

I have been toying with Kimber Kables : PBJ, Hero, SilverStreak ( ICs) and 8TC for speaker cables. Not the best there is but I believe they are at the point of diminishing return.

I know what you mean. Cable "overkill" will simply expose the next weakest link in the chain and you'll end up in the market for a new set of speakers, amp or source component. It sounds like you have some nice wires and cables.

anhchungdoan

treitz3 wrote: »

So, over at the AVS forum.....have the found out that they can make a sonic change or are they the "non-believer" type?

Well, these "scientists" humiliated me and also threatened a physical fight to another poster since we believe we can hear the difference in cablings, namely ICs. They believe that all cablings are recreated equally. My biggest issue is they claimed the all amps are created equally and the Carver TFM25 and the Krell KVa 250 will drive the Appogee Duetta and the Martin SL3 equally. I happened to own both amps and the SL3 ( my firend owns the Appogee) and we believe otherwise based on our own ears and our own equipments not the spec and data from the Net. I doubt any of these guys ever heard or owned the listed above equipments.

treitz3

Mental note to self - Never go to that forum.

Geeeez, do they even listen?

concealer404

anhchungdoan wrote: »

Well, these "scientists" humiliated me and also threatened a physical fight to another poster since we believe we can hear the difference in cablings, namely ICs. They believe that all cablings are recreated equally. My biggest issue is they claimed the all amps are created equally and the Carver TFM25 and the Krell KVa 250 will drive the Appogee Duetta and the Martin SL3 equally. I happened to own both amps and the SL3 ( my firend owns the Appogee) and we believe otherwise based on our own ears and our own equipments not the spec and data from the Net. I doubt any of these guys ever heard or owned the listed above equipments.

That right there is exactly why i don't frequent that forum.

If i went over there and said that i preferred my Oinker amp to say... an Adcom GFA-545 or even an Emotiva XPA-2 in my rig, god knows what the response would be.

anhchungdoan

inspiredsports wrote: »

I know what you mean. Cable "overkill" will simply expose the next weakest link in the chain and you'll end up in the market for a new set of speakers, amp or source component. It sounds like you have some nice wires and cables.

Well, thank you. I was divorced for a while so most of my disposable income was using to play around with Krell, Bryston, Audio Research....not to brag about it but it is my passion and my interest to try out the fine "things" in line since I was young. Now at my retirement age, listenning to some of nonsense misguiding new people who enter to the audiophile world and that's really sad. I'd rather be called a FRAUD or a LIAR but I will not preach that a Carver amp will drive the Apogge or the martin Logan as well as the Krell as these"scientists" from AVS do. ROTFLMAO

anhchungdoan

concealer404 wrote: »

That right there is exactly why i don't frequent that forum.

If i went over there and said that i preferred my Oinker amp to say... an Adcom GFA-545 or even an Emotiva XPA-2 in my rig, god knows what the response would be.

Try the cablings....be careful, there's a guy with nickname Penrgray something, if he is challenged he will ask you to come down to Floria for a fist fight. :eek:

anhchungdoan

treitz3 wrote: »

Mental note to self - Never go to that forum.

Geeeez, do they even listen?

Want a fist fight in Florida, find any post with the guy called himself Penrgray or something similiar to that and disagree with him. Have fun.

mantis

anhchungdoan wrote: »

I have been toying with Kimber Kables : PBJ, Hero, SilverStreak ( ICs) and 8TC for speaker cables. Not the best there is but I believe they are at the point of diminishing return.

I firmly believe this. I have ran into this myself. I have used all above cables and found the same thing. Your system only sounds as good as it does. you can't keep buying "better" wire and think it will improve. It is what it is.

Just like any other part of your system, it's only as good as it's weakest link. Once you achieve it's max abilities , you can't make it any better.
I'm a member in the AVS forum as well as a few others. I see where there wire debates go. I choose not to be apart of it. Another forum has a cable company as a owner as well. They don't allow cable threads unless it's about there cables, then it's ok.

Here you can talk about cables all you want. There are people on both sides of the fence and will argue to there blue in the face there point. I find this interesting. years ago I would stop at nothing to justify high end cables and how they improve my system and anyone else who planned on using them. Today I find what works well and go with that. yeah I get caught up when a beautiful pair come in front of me but hey I love wire .
Most brands out there make good quality cables for all your needs. Finding the ones right for your system is difficult. Really comes to madness. Unless you have a unlimited supply like I have over the years, it's really hard to wrap the idea of a cable making a sonic improvement in ones system. Analog is the most noticeable and really in my opinion the only noticeable cables out there.

My opinions , your opinions , they are all good and solid depending on your system and your ears. No reason to say it's right one way or another. The only right and wrong here is using the correct type of cable designed for the job you want it to do. Other factors come into play but they are the most important.

anhchungdoan

mantis wrote: »

I firmly believe this. I have ran into this myself. I have used all above cables and found the same thing. Your system only sounds as good as it does. you can't keep buying "better" wire and think it will improve. It is what it is.

Just like any other part of your system, it's only as good as it's weakest link. Once you achieve it's max abilities , you can't make it any better.
I'm a member in the AVS forum as well as a few others. I see where there wire debates go. I choose not to be apart of it. Another forum has a cable company as a owner as well. They don't allow cable threads unless it's about there cables, then it's ok.

Here you can talk about cables all you want. There are people on both sides of the fence and will argue to there blue in the face there point. I find this interesting. years ago I would stop at nothing to justify high end cables and how they improve my system and anyone else who planned on using them. Today I find what works well and go with that. yeah I get caught up when a beautiful pair come in front of me but hey I love wire .
Most brands out there make good quality cables for all your needs. Finding the ones right for your system is difficult. Really comes to madness. Unless you have a unlimited supply like I have over the years, it's really hard to wrap the idea of a cable making a sonic improvement in ones system. Analog is the most noticeable and really in my opinion the only noticeable cables out there.

My opinions , your opinions , they are all good and solid depending on your system and your ears. No reason to say it's right one way or another. The only right and wrong here is using the correct type of cable designed for the job you want it to do. Other factors come into play but they are the most important.

Well, it all boils down to one thing that I believe over the years, If a person does not hear any difference among different cables, then it is good for that person. Be happy with what that he or she has. Be it a Monoprice or Monster or Home depot products, who cares? As long as one is happy with what they hear then let it be. At the same token, I can hear the differences among the difference brand-name cables then no one should tell me that I am not allowed to hear what I hear and if I do not conform with the skepitcal norm then I will be a FRAUD or a LIAR. I consider it a form of public slander and an ignorance accusation. Maybe ,I among other thousand of audiophiles are a bunch of idiots as I was told but no one can force me to believe that all cables sound the same or all amps sound alike.

DarqueKnight

anhchungdoan wrote: »

...no one should tell me that I am not allowed to hear what I hear and if I do not conform with the skepitcal norm then I will be a FRAUD or a LIAR. I consider it a form of public slander and an ignorance accusation.

Calm down.

Enjoy your music.

Enjoy your hobby.

In order for slander (or libel) to exist, you need to prove that the written or spoken comments of others actually caused you some real harm. Have the comments of any anonymous naysayer(s) on any Internet forum actually caused you any REAL harm or loss or damage to your reputation? Do you enjoy your music and gear any less because someone else does not believe that you hear what you say you hear?

Rejoice in the fact that you don't need a piece of audio gear to be designed by a team of Nobel laureates and National Academy of Engineering fellows, then rigorously tested by NASA and the test results published in a peer-reviewed science or engineering journal for you to enjoy it.:)

sTiLlLeArNiNg

Scroll down and check out the "Modena" cable's

http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/hk06/show.html

Thought's?

inspiredsports

darqueknight wrote: »

calm down.

Enjoy your music.

Enjoy your hobby.

In order for slander (or libel) to exist, you need to prove that the written or spoken comments of others actually caused you some real harm. Have the comments of any anonymous naysayer(s) on any internet forum actually caused you any real harm or loss or damage to your reputation? Do you enjoy your music and gear any less because someone else does not believe that you hear what you say you hear?

Rejoice in the fact that you don't need a piece of audio gear to be designed by a team of nobel laureates and national academy of engineering fellows, then rigorously tested by nasa and the test results published in a peer-reviewed science or engineering journal for you to enjoy it.:)

+1

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anhchungdoan

concealer404 wrote: »

Aneurysm in 3...... 2...... 1........

Must be J. Byden but do not be concerned J. Byden does not have Universal health care. He has gold-package health care.:D. I am out of here. It is fun though.

WilliamM2

Try the cablings....be careful, there's a guy with nickname Penrgray something, if he is challenged he will ask you to come down to Floria for a fist fight.

Really? Got a link, or is this just another of your stories?

phuz

sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »

Scroll down and check out the "Modena" cable's

http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/hk06/show.html

Thought's?

I'll keep my Kimbers, thanks.

sTiLlLeArNiNg

phuz wrote: »

I'll keep my Kimbers, thanks.

Why? more money mean's better sound right?