Spearker cables..fact or fiction?
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I have been toying with Kimber Kables : PBJ, Hero, SilverStreak ( ICs) and 8TC for speaker cables. Not the best there is but I believe they are at the point of diminishing return.inspiredsports wrote: »Dude, respect will come by your framing a logical argument based upon sharing what you have done.
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So, over at the AVS forum.....have the found out that they can make a sonic change or are they the "non-believer" type?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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Aneurysm in 3...... 2...... 1........I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
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anhchungdoan wrote: »I have been toying with Kimber Kables : PBJ, Hero, SilverStreak ( ICs) and 8TC for speaker cables. Not the best there is but I believe they are at the point of diminishing return.
I know what you mean. Cable "overkill" will simply expose the next weakest link in the chain and you'll end up in the market for a new set of speakers, amp or source component. It sounds like you have some nice wires and cables.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
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So, over at the AVS forum.....have the found out that they can make a sonic change or are they the "non-believer" type?
Well, these "scientists" humiliated me and also threatened a physical fight to another poster since we believe we can hear the difference in cablings, namely ICs. They believe that all cablings are recreated equally. My biggest issue is they claimed the all amps are created equally and the Carver TFM25 and the Krell KVa 250 will drive the Appogee Duetta and the Martin SL3 equally. I happened to own both amps and the SL3 ( my firend owns the Appogee) and we believe otherwise based on our own ears and our own equipments not the spec and data from the Net. I doubt any of these guys ever heard or owned the listed above equipments. -
Mental note to self - Never go to that forum.
Geeeez, do they even listen?~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
anhchungdoan wrote: »Well, these "scientists" humiliated me and also threatened a physical fight to another poster since we believe we can hear the difference in cablings, namely ICs. They believe that all cablings are recreated equally. My biggest issue is they claimed the all amps are created equally and the Carver TFM25 and the Krell KVa 250 will drive the Appogee Duetta and the Martin SL3 equally. I happened to own both amps and the SL3 ( my firend owns the Appogee) and we believe otherwise based on our own ears and our own equipments not the spec and data from the Net. I doubt any of these guys ever heard or owned the listed above equipments.
That right there is exactly why i don't frequent that forum.
If i went over there and said that i preferred my Oinker amp to say... an Adcom GFA-545 or even an Emotiva XPA-2 in my rig, god knows what the response would be.
I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.
Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii
Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999
Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3
HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000 -
Well, thank you. I was divorced for a while so most of my disposable income was using to play around with Krell, Bryston, Audio Research....not to brag about it but it is my passion and my interest to try out the fine "things" in line since I was young. Now at my retirement age, listenning to some of nonsense misguiding new people who enter to the audiophile world and that's really sad. I'd rather be called a FRAUD or a LIAR but I will not preach that a Carver amp will drive the Apogge or the martin Logan as well as the Krell as these"scientists" from AVS do. ROTFLMAOinspiredsports wrote: »I know what you mean. Cable "overkill" will simply expose the next weakest link in the chain and you'll end up in the market for a new set of speakers, amp or source component. It sounds like you have some nice wires and cables. -
concealer404 wrote: »That right there is exactly why i don't frequent that forum.
If i went over there and said that i preferred my Oinker amp to say... an Adcom GFA-545 or even an Emotiva XPA-2 in my rig, god knows what the response would be.
Try the cablings....be careful, there's a guy with nickname Penrgray something, if he is challenged he will ask you to come down to Floria for a fist fight. :eek: -
Want a fist fight in Florida, find any post with the guy called himself Penrgray or something similiar to that and disagree with him. Have fun.Mental note to self - Never go to that forum.
Geeeez, do they even listen?
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anhchungdoan wrote: »I have been toying with Kimber Kables : PBJ, Hero, SilverStreak ( ICs) and 8TC for speaker cables. Not the best there is but I believe they are at the point of diminishing return.
I firmly believe this. I have ran into this myself. I have used all above cables and found the same thing. Your system only sounds as good as it does. you can't keep buying "better" wire and think it will improve. It is what it is.
Just like any other part of your system, it's only as good as it's weakest link. Once you achieve it's max abilities , you can't make it any better.
I'm a member in the AVS forum as well as a few others. I see where there wire debates go. I choose not to be apart of it. Another forum has a cable company as a owner as well. They don't allow cable threads unless it's about there cables, then it's ok.
Here you can talk about cables all you want. There are people on both sides of the fence and will argue to there blue in the face there point. I find this interesting. years ago I would stop at nothing to justify high end cables and how they improve my system and anyone else who planned on using them. Today I find what works well and go with that. yeah I get caught up when a beautiful pair come in front of me but hey I love wire .
Most brands out there make good quality cables for all your needs. Finding the ones right for your system is difficult. Really comes to madness. Unless you have a unlimited supply like I have over the years, it's really hard to wrap the idea of a cable making a sonic improvement in ones system. Analog is the most noticeable and really in my opinion the only noticeable cables out there.
My opinions , your opinions , they are all good and solid depending on your system and your ears. No reason to say it's right one way or another. The only right and wrong here is using the correct type of cable designed for the job you want it to do. Other factors come into play but they are the most important.Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time. -
I firmly believe this. I have ran into this myself. I have used all above cables and found the same thing. Your system only sounds as good as it does. you can't keep buying "better" wire and think it will improve. It is what it is.
Just like any other part of your system, it's only as good as it's weakest link. Once you achieve it's max abilities , you can't make it any better.
I'm a member in the AVS forum as well as a few others. I see where there wire debates go. I choose not to be apart of it. Another forum has a cable company as a owner as well. They don't allow cable threads unless it's about there cables, then it's ok.
Here you can talk about cables all you want. There are people on both sides of the fence and will argue to there blue in the face there point. I find this interesting. years ago I would stop at nothing to justify high end cables and how they improve my system and anyone else who planned on using them. Today I find what works well and go with that. yeah I get caught up when a beautiful pair come in front of me but hey I love wire .
Most brands out there make good quality cables for all your needs. Finding the ones right for your system is difficult. Really comes to madness. Unless you have a unlimited supply like I have over the years, it's really hard to wrap the idea of a cable making a sonic improvement in ones system. Analog is the most noticeable and really in my opinion the only noticeable cables out there.
My opinions , your opinions , they are all good and solid depending on your system and your ears. No reason to say it's right one way or another. The only right and wrong here is using the correct type of cable designed for the job you want it to do. Other factors come into play but they are the most important.
Well, it all boils down to one thing that I believe over the years, If a person does not hear any difference among different cables, then it is good for that person. Be happy with what that he or she has. Be it a Monoprice or Monster or Home depot products, who cares? As long as one is happy with what they hear then let it be. At the same token, I can hear the differences among the difference brand-name cables then no one should tell me that I am not allowed to hear what I hear and if I do not conform with the skepitcal norm then I will be a FRAUD or a LIAR. I consider it a form of public slander and an ignorance accusation. Maybe ,I among other thousand of audiophiles are a bunch of idiots as I was told but no one can force me to believe that all cables sound the same or all amps sound alike. -
anhchungdoan wrote: »...no one should tell me that I am not allowed to hear what I hear and if I do not conform with the skepitcal norm then I will be a FRAUD or a LIAR. I consider it a form of public slander and an ignorance accusation.
Calm down.
Enjoy your music.
Enjoy your hobby.
In order for slander (or libel) to exist, you need to prove that the written or spoken comments of others actually caused you some real harm. Have the comments of any anonymous naysayer(s) on any Internet forum actually caused you any REAL harm or loss or damage to your reputation? Do you enjoy your music and gear any less because someone else does not believe that you hear what you say you hear?
Rejoice in the fact that you don't need a piece of audio gear to be designed by a team of Nobel laureates and National Academy of Engineering fellows, then rigorously tested by NASA and the test results published in a peer-reviewed science or engineering journal for you to enjoy it.:)Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Scroll down and check out the "Modena" cable's
http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/hk06/show.html
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darqueknight wrote: »calm down.
Enjoy your music.
Enjoy your hobby.
In order for slander (or libel) to exist, you need to prove that the written or spoken comments of others actually caused you some real harm. Have the comments of any anonymous naysayer(s) on any internet forum actually caused you any real harm or loss or damage to your reputation? Do you enjoy your music and gear any less because someone else does not believe that you hear what you say you hear?
Rejoice in the fact that you don't need a piece of audio gear to be designed by a team of nobel laureates and national academy of engineering fellows, then rigorously tested by nasa and the test results published in a peer-reviewed science or engineering journal for you to enjoy it.:)
+1
.VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
NAD SS rigs w/mods
GIK panels -
concealer404 wrote: »Aneurysm in 3...... 2...... 1........
Must be J. Byden but do not be concerned J. Byden does not have Universal health care. He has gold-package health care.:D. I am out of here. It is fun though. -
Try the cablings....be careful, there's a guy with nickname Penrgray something, if he is challenged he will ask you to come down to Floria for a fist fight.
Really? Got a link, or is this just another of your stories? -
sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »Scroll down and check out the "Modena" cable's
http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/hk06/show.html
Thought's?
I'll keep my Kimbers, thanks. -
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HTPC
Intel e5300 | Asus p5q DLX | LG ch08 BD | OCZ 4g reaper2 | WD 1TB | Sapphire 4890 VaporX 1g | Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 | OCZ modXtreme 700w | Antec Fusion remote MAX
A fool and his money are easily parted
I don't drink Koolaid
Need some cable's? Just ask
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Really? Got a link, or is this just another of your stories?
How are you, Mr. scientist ? How is your "english" ? You have not answer me yet and try to ask for more. You AVS troll can search for all the PenrGray's post yourself , cannot you? I may do so but it kind of wasting my precious week-end talking to guys who do not know what the heck is the Apogge Duetta or the Martin Logan sl3 look like not to say how they sound like!!!! Carber TFM25 and Krell kva 250 will drive them and no one can tell the difference. What's planet are you scientist coming from? BTW, Proper noun should always start with a capital letter. Mr. Obama vs Mr. obama. President Obama not president obama. I am an immigrant but I do know the difference between proper noun and noun. Would you like to converse in Francais, Monsieur? Je suis d'accord et Toi ? Vienne, dis moi quelque chose avant dormir. Maintenace, Je suis tres dormi. Vite, Vite. -
How are you, Mr. scientist ? How is your "english" ? You have not answer me yet and try to ask for more. You AVS troll can search for all the PenrGray's post yourself , cannot you?
Sorry I missed a capital letter, my apologies. Where did I ever claim to be a scientist? And I'm certainly no AVS troll, if you look, you'll notice I have been a member here for a while now, I own several pair of Polk speakers. BTW, which Polk speakers do you own?
As far as the rest of the rubbish you keep posting about "Carber, Krell, Appoge, and Martin Logan, what are you talking about? I don't believe I ever mentioned anything about them. Although I have heard them, so what?
I did go to AVS and search for posts by PenrGray, the search returned telling me there was no such user name. So I guess it is just another of your stories. -
Monsieur, peut etre qu'un jour. Ecoutez moi, nous en reparlerons demain. Bonne nuit !
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anhchungdoan wrote: »Monsieur, peut etre qu'un jour. Ecoutez moi, nous en reparlerons demain. Bonne nuit !
avoir un bon repos et nous te voir demain, bonne nuit mon amis! Media Room 7.1
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HTPC
Intel e5300 | Asus p5q DLX | LG ch08 BD | OCZ 4g reaper2 | WD 1TB | Sapphire 4890 VaporX 1g | Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 | OCZ modXtreme 700w | Antec Fusion remote MAX
A fool and his money are easily parted
I don't drink Koolaid
Need some cable's? Just ask
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DarqueKnight wrote: »Calm down.
Enjoy your music.
Enjoy your hobby.
In order for slander (or libel) to exist, you need to prove that the written or spoken comments of others actually caused you some real harm. Have the comments of any anonymous naysayer(s) on any Internet forum actually caused you any REAL harm or loss or damage to your reputation? Do you enjoy your music and gear any less because someone else does not believe that you hear what you say you hear?
Rejoice in the fact that you don't need a piece of audio gear to be designed by a team of Nobel laureates and National Academy of Engineering fellows, then rigorously tested by NASA and the test results published in a peer-reviewed science or engineering journal for you to enjoy it.:)
He's also got to prove the comments aren't true . . . it's not slanderous if it's true. -
Great to see Keiko and F1 in their own little movie. Perhaps two stars are born?
hehehe good one! Media Room 7.1
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HTPC
Intel e5300 | Asus p5q DLX | LG ch08 BD | OCZ 4g reaper2 | WD 1TB | Sapphire 4890 VaporX 1g | Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3 | OCZ modXtreme 700w | Antec Fusion remote MAX
A fool and his money are easily parted
I don't drink Koolaid
Need some cable's? Just ask
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One thing I know to be true - my rig does not function without cables. So, someone out there was going to make money off of me. LOL!!! Audio: Polk S15 * Polk S35 * Polk S10 * SVS SB-1000 Pro
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Sorry I missed a capital letter, my apologies. Where did I ever claim to be a scientist? And I'm certainly no AVS troll, if you look, you'll notice I have been a member here for a while now, I own several pair of Polk speakers. BTW, which Polk speakers do you own?
As far as the rest of the rubbish you keep posting about "Carber, Krell, Appoge, and Martin Logan, what are you talking about? I don't believe I ever mentioned anything about them. Although I have heard them, so what?
I did go to AVS and search for posts by PenrGray, the search returned telling me there was no such user name. So I guess it is just another of your stories.
I consider you a scientist William.CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint. -
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Dan
My personal quest is to save to world of bad audio, one thread at a time. -
Sorry I missed a capital letter, my apologies. Where did I ever claim to be a scientist? And I'm certainly no AVS troll, if you look, you'll notice I have been a member here for a while now, I own several pair of Polk speakers. BTW, which Polk speakers do you own?
As far as the rest of the rubbish you keep posting about "Carber, Krell, Appoge, and Martin Logan, what are you talking about? I don't believe I ever mentioned anything about them. Although I have heard them, so what?
I did go to AVS and search for posts by PenrGray, the search returned telling me there was no such user name. So I guess it is just another of your stories.
You are not too fond with my 101 Parlez de Francaise either, should we converse in Chinsese or Vietnamien. Too bad I do not have a Chinese keyboard. How's abt some Vietnamien. " May chua tra loi cau hoi cua tao? May muon nhuc ma tao may chi trich tieng "english" cua tao. Tao noi tieng "english" do nhung tao co bang BBA. May noi tieng "english" hay nhung may da lam duoc gi trong doi may?"
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