Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited September 2009
    bardy154 wrote: »
    I used to be a skeptic myself, a proudly proclaimed audio atheist...until I tried different interconnect cables for myself.

    I swapped in some higher grade ICs and the first words out of my mouth were..."No way".

    I still remain a skeptic, but I keep an open mind and my ears open - I try for myself and I trust my own ears. If I hear a difference and I like it as an improvement - I integrate into my own system.

    Exactly! That's what it's about. Trying things for yourself, and forming your own opinion about it. Reading an article by Roger Russel and considering yourself an expert on the topic isn't quite the same as actually trying things FOR YOURSELF in YOUR home on YOUR rig.

    I'm skeptical about a lot of different things in the audio hobby myself. I used to be a skeptic regarding cables...until I actually tried it for myself and heard a difference. I'm still skeptical about things like cable lifters and CD treatments etc...But I'm not going to call it snake oil. I've never tried it, so I can't really say whether or not it works.
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
    edited September 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    We're still waiting for evidence of the seamonkey line of fantasy speakers. :rolleyes:

    He's too busy developing the latest in cutting edge loudspeaker technology, to take the time to prove it to us.:rolleyes:;)
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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited September 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    We're still waiting for evidence of the seamonkey line of fantasy speakers. :rolleyes:

    How the F*ck is he still even here?
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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    "The day that I have to give up my constitutional rights AND let some dude rub my junk...well, let's just say that it's gonna be a real bad day for the dude trying to rub my junk!!"
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited September 2009
    messiah wrote: »
    How the F*ck is he still even here?
    He is not here but Keiko did invite his return by mentioning it's name:rolleyes:...
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited September 2009
    This thread is like crack cocaine.

    Seems no matter how hard we try, and to our detriment, none of us can leave it alone. (me included)

    We're closing in on 1,800 posts with perhaps 1 in 100 of them adding anything to the knowledge base. :eek:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited September 2009
    Keiko wrote: »
    Perhaps you should pay a little more attention and scroll ^up^ :rolleyes:

    LMAO... I just did. Sorry to imply that his return was your fault. It is not. Perhaps we should blame Patrick C. for not banning this Shitbird a long time ago. I love ya Patrick, and I understand that sometimes things slip trough the cracks.;)
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited September 2009
    anyone want to stay on topic and give a thought about those dayton cable's? :o
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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,194
    edited September 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    anyone want to stay on topic and give a thought about those dayton cable's? :o
    Nope! Sorry, but this thread has almost nothing to do with cables, not even spearker cables ...

    In any case, Seaburp must have subscribed to this thread, or something like that, so I'm assuming he gets an e-mail alert every time a new reply is posted here. Those secret agents lead such an exciting life, don't you think?!
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  • ahardy17
    ahardy17 Posts: 84
    edited September 2009
    as much as everyone here thinks i'm a nuisance, this forum has rubbed off on me. i just ordered some knuconcepts power wire and a battery terminal for my new car system :) i'd share my thoughts on this new gear once i get it installed, but i don't think anyone would really care all that much.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited September 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    anyone want to stay on topic and give a thought about those dayton cable's? :o

    The Club's opinions are great and there is a lot of experience here, but in the end, it's only YOUR opinion that matters. And what I deem "great sounding cables" in my particular system may not do much for yours.

    I bought, listened to, and sold all the way up to as much as I could afford, keeping the 2 most recent acquisitions on hand so I could A/B compare until I settled on my current setup.

    Try the Dayton cable, it's decent and will resell well if/when you want to try more. Most of the time you will find higher pricing really does improve the listening experience.
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  • woodguru
    woodguru Posts: 76
    edited September 2009
    bobt wrote: »
    I don't under stand the price for speaker cables....some cost more then the equipment there hookup to....The price is insane. The Stereophile mags review these....of course there not going to say anything bad about them..they get paid to do this...then sit there and try to tell you....oh yes we hear this one gives you more highs, or this one is more clear.....BULL...

    Sorry..it's a piece of wire...when you get to a certain point...thats about it.

    I have a 12 gauge speaker cable, I will not say which kind. I went and spent $250 (on sale)...some supposed great cable......NO DAM DIFFERENCE.

    No way you could tell the difference between the 2. Now OK...."MAYBE" if your playing some violin thing........MAYBE you could hear something different, but my guess would be NOT. If I changed cables on these "reviewers"...they would not have a clue............

    OK, I play mostly rock and blues, but do throw in some classic music.

    If Stravinsky, or Tchaikovsky..sound the same to me, over different cables..well I get the fact.....basically you have just been riiped off, because it's called "audiophile"....and no I'm not tone deaf...I've mixed CD's for people , run PA mixers...I know what good sound is.

    It's like Boats...if it's marine..you pay a ton....same crap you can buy for cheap...Audiophile.....the price goes up.....

    Most of this "sound" is precived..just because you spent..300 plus on a cable.

    You won't hear staggering differences in speaker cable unless the rest of the system's wire is in top form. The most important cable that does make huge differences to any ear is the source to preamp I/C. You are not even close to having your system right enough to even think of hearing comparisons in a good way. Until you actually have lived with higher echelon wire sets, meaning all of the interconnects and speaker wire your opinion is meaningless to others who do have their systems at a higher state.<br>
    <br>
    I'm not trying to bash you, just open your eyes a bit to the fact that you are a bit short on having a vast exposure to what's out there. I have had at least half a million dollars worth of just about every manufacturer's lines from entry to ultimate along with high end electronics to try it on. I figure I'm not wasting my time if you have an open enough mind to accept that you may be missing something if your system isn't allowing you to hear differences. The first rule of speaker wire is to upgrade interconnects first of the speaker wire can't make as much difference because the best audiophile characteristics haven't even gotten through to the amp let alone the speakers.<br>
    <br>
    Again, no offense meant but you have a ways to go and you will never get there if you can't figure out the cable basics. cable is the key element to pure audiophile sound, without good wire your money is wasted on high end components and speakers. If I lived close to you I could show it to you in your system, I made a living doing that in everything out to $150k+ systems, it is always about the wire no matter what equipment you have.
    You aren't done with wire and ready for upgrades and other tweaks until you are totally done with wire.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited September 2009
    thread is closed?

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,567
    edited September 2009
    If you're able to post in it, it's not closed.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited September 2009
    Resurrected AGAIN!
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  • Krazyz1
    Krazyz1 Posts: 256
    edited September 2009
    I am using Dayton Audio from Parts Express. It is 14ga Hi-Def OFC rope layer design. I am using them bi-wired to my RTiA9's. At aprox . 47 cents a foot I could tell a BIG difference. The sound really opened up. Even my wife could tell the difference and she's quite happy with the stereo in her cavilier!!!
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited September 2009
    But, but..........spearker cables making a difference is fiction. Hasn't that been proven in this thread? You must be krazy man......
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  • Krazyz1
    Krazyz1 Posts: 256
    edited September 2009
    How about option 3. Buy the cheapest speaker cables available and buy a REALLY , REALLY GOOD 32 band EQ and say F**K IT!!!!!!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2009
    Yawn....
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  • Krazyz1
    Krazyz1 Posts: 256
    edited September 2009
    I'm sorry!! Is EQ a naughty word here??????
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited September 2009
    Awe come on Shack Daddy, can't you find a little humor here? We are, after all talking about spearker cables.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2009
    treitz3 wrote:
    Awe come on Shack Daddy, can't you find a little humor here? We are, after all talking about spearker cables.

    Ok...maybe using an eq is somewhat humorous. Do they still make those things?
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2009
    Nevermind...ya'll carry on without me....
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited September 2009
    You must have had a bad day. I hear ya'.

    I may be traveling your way within the month. You anywhere near Tyler Acoustics? I may be able to stop in and say hello.
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  • Krazyz1
    Krazyz1 Posts: 256
    edited September 2009
    Too dam bad Montgomery Ward's closed up. I would buy me some Ward's Airline speaker wire and blow the neghbors windows out listening to Meatloaf " Bat out of hell " LOL , LOL , LOL!!!!!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2009
    treitz3 wrote:
    You must have had a bad day. I hear ya'.

    Nope...just a stupid thread that should have been allowed to been allowed to die and rot away.
    treitz3 wrote:
    I may be traveling your way within the month. You anywhere near Tyler Acoustics? I may be able to stop in and say hello.

    Only about 300 miles and 5 hours away. :cool:
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2009
    Get your directions Tom, Tyler is in Kentucky, bordering Indiana.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,033
    edited September 2009
    Oh, dear. For some reason I thought that he was in TN. So much for me bringing the hot women to your house Shack.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited September 2009
    I'm not too out of the way, so you can actually bring them here.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited September 2009
    treitz3 wrote:
    Oh, dear. For some reason I thought that he was in TN.

    Nope...Owensboro KY...on the Indiana/KY border.
    treitz3 wrote:
    So much for me bringing the hot women to your house Shack.

    More hot women? I guess we cold squeeze a few more in...If we can get a couple of the hot women already here to take a break.
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  • PolkClyde
    PolkClyde Posts: 662
    edited September 2009
    Oops
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