Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

polkapolka wrote: »

I was hoping to glean some good information, and hear some thoughtful, constructive comments. I was wrong.

DarqueKnight wrote: »

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Now:



Thank you for the offer, but I will politely decline. Surely someone with 25 years experience in this hobby and who has a friend who happens to be an electronics engineer with an oscilloscope can conduct a study of this type. I look forward to reading your results. The only recommendation I would offer is that you properly document your findings. Not being able to substantiate your claims with documentation calls into question your credibility.

Also, when you were asked some very reasonable and very specific questions, you tried to ignore the questions and turned around and began quizzing me. When I pressed you for answers, you responded this way:













For someone to come in with guns blazing and then, when asked for substantiation, have to turn right around and depend on a friend's "vague" memory and knowledge looks rather weak. In the future, when you decide to share the benefits of your wisdom, I hope you will be prepared to stand on your own knowledge and documentation.



I don't think it's appropriate, or wise, to come in demanding a technical debate and not be prepared to adequately engage in it. This is the equivalent of walking into a saloon and demanding a gunfight, knowing all the while your guns are loaded with blanks. Interestingly, you had the unmitigated gall to say this of someone else:



Now, on to other things....



What is odd about this? Solid core multi conductor is still SOLID CORE. This is my understanding of the difference between solid core and stranded wire:

Solid Core Wire - A single conductor encapsulated in insulation.

Stranded Wire - Multiple, non-insulated wire strands encapsulated in a shared insulation.

If I take two or more insulated solid core wires and then twist them together to minimize field interaction and increase the effective wire gauge, are you saying that this would cease to be a solid core wire configuration and would then become a stranded wire configuration? I do not think this is correct. A bundle of insulated solid core wires with the appropriate winding geometry is still solid core and has the electrical characteristics of a single solid core wire of the same effective gauge. This is one of the main advantages of the Litz and Hyper-Litz solid core speaker cable configurations.

I do not mean to be disparaging, but many of your comments display a gaping lack of fundamental electronics knowledge. Your concept of "extending the PCB all the way to the speaker" was pure comedy and made no sense whatsoever. I would ask that you think things through a little bit more in the future.

Good luck with everything.:)

seafire wrote: »

Ok first of all my use of foul language was only because of pure frustration as one after the other had at that stage started calling me names etc.
take note that I said MOST not all;)
please show me where I avoided your questions;)
I told you straight out that I do not own the scope and rather than thumb suck I phoned him.These tests were done for our own private information so why in the world would I keep this in SAE PAPER format..I can not see into the future.
Its odd because my theory revolves around solid core not multi strand ever seen a pcb with multi strand tracks?
PCB all the way to the speaker is a theory.With your acclaimed electronic knowledge would you be kind enough to explain to me what happens to electric signal when it moves through different mediums? I know the answer do you? If so why would you not understand the theory behind the"pcb all the way to the speaker theory?.According to my friend(the electronic engineer) there is an equation to support this.
In light of the above where do I lack understanding of fundamental electronics?
Audio is my hobby not my profession so I would not even bother to do all the trouble again to prove something of which I have already made my own conclusions of.
I find it suspicious that you decline my proposal when your scientific approach seems to be a rigorous quest for the truth .
I speak under correction but it seems that you are insinuating certain things with regards to myself:rolleyes:

cnh wrote: »

Well I'm glad to see you've actually read my post above where I specify the requirements for both sides. The Subjective argument...and the Objecive one.

I think I covered both sides. So now I'm just going to sit back here and look on with amusement--because I've seen this debate too many times...and by CP standards I'm just a newb. So what does that say about this discussion?

In fact, I don't think I can read these posts without music and my less or more than cat5 cabling!

cnh

heiney9 wrote: »

Boy if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.

H9

madmax wrote: »

Absolutely my favorite instrument!
madmax

dkg999 wrote: »

Isn't the real problem that we wouldn't just follow you Maybe we are a little more independant minded than you anticipated?

Flash21 wrote: »

[sigh] I have formed my opinion of speaker cable performance by listening to various cables on my system. There is a difference between cables. It is repeatable and verifiable...on my system. I don't know about yours. And no, I haven't tried your Cat5-whatever (I have tried some cheaper alternatives such as the Anti-Cable)...but I would be happy to if you want to send some over.

Flash21 wrote: »

I have a Bel Canto eVo2i integrated with 120 wpc.

Speakers are Von Schweikert VR-2. They have two different 6.5" bass drivers: a subwoofer of sorts with very large voice coil and magnet, crossed over at 200 Hz, and an upper bass-mid driver that has a smaller voice coil and magnet and is optimized as a midrange driver, crossed over to the tweeter at 2.2 kHz.

I am not currently bi-wiring but they can be. Cable runs are less than 6'.

seafire wrote: »

Hi I don't manufacture so you will have to make them yourself.However if you email me with your rig details I can point you in the right starting direction you would have to add or subtract twisted pairs until its sound just right for you.Making them for testing is a breeze ..you can always neaten them up after final conclusions.What I would need to know is your amp wattage and the diameter of your largest driver ie 6.5' ..8 '' 10 or 12;)
Edit And what config you will be running bi amping or bi wiring?

mdaudioguy wrote: »

Curious - is this cable construction recipe your own personal "formula," or is it available somewhere else on the web? You seem to want us all to be dependent on you personally (via pm or email) instead of perhaps posting the "recipe" right here.