Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

tonyb

29 PAGES OF THIS GARBAGE!!!!!

Somebody promised pie.....slice of cherry please!!
Well,one thing is for certain,this generation can't take a hint.

lightman1

Patrick? Show us what you got.

comfortablycurt

seafire wrote: »

Ok good point.Please remember what I said earlier...we dont all live in he USA and that type of cable at those prices...nearly impossible.Remember that some folks that buy this cable can't here past 15k or even less.Yes sure there are some that hear it all but they are defiantly the minority

What do you mean you can't get them? There are these websites I've heard about before that allow people to buy things online...let me see if I can remember them...

-searches-

Ahh yes...I remember now. I think one of them is called http://www.ebay.com/

There's another one too...it's pretty similar to that last site I listed. http://www.audiogon.com/

heiney9 wrote: »

OH NO, not the dreaded "I pissed in my own sandbox and now I have to throw out all the sand" waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

H9

LMAO!! Gotta love it.:D

lightman1 wrote: »

Well Sh#t, Curt asked for a piece of pie. Anybody want a slice while I'm up?

PIE!?!? I'm always down for pie. I'll take another slice...anyone else? Seabiscuit can't have any.

nooshinjohn

comfortablycurt wrote: »

What do you mean you can't get them? There are these websites I've heard about before that allow people to buy things online...let me see if I can remember them...

-searches-

Ahh yes...I remember now. I think one of them is called http://www.ebay.com/

There's another one too...it's pretty similar to that last site I listed. http://www.audiogon.com/



LMAO!! Gotta love it.:D



PIE!?!? I'm always down for pie. I'll take another slice...anyone else? Seabiscuit can't have any.

Curt... I love ya MAN!!!
Ill take a slice of banana cream pie... Seafairy, if you ask real nice you can well... I 'll be nice:p

TECHNOKID

Face wrote: »

Yep! http://www.skysound.com/

Thanks for the link Face, I forwarded it to my work e-mail and will check this out! Now the thread is starting to get interesting (some answers versus non beleivers condoning!).

Thanks again!

lightman1

lotta tags on this thread.

lightman1

....who likes pie? Shall I bake one and serve it up?






This is the story about the the one called seafoam.....

TECHNOKID

steveinaz wrote: »

Fellas, please let this **** die. It's obvious that they don't want to learn anything. Let them move along in their sonic bliss as they appear very happy with their stance on this topic. To them, the world is flat, period.

Wrong steveinaz, when people start to provide info versus bashing I am all hears (eyes in this case) and study the info at hand and then it becomes fruitfull discussion but when people bash, disrecpect and use name calling, what kind of meat do you think there is for anyone to learn??? I am from a technical background, where would you think I tend to get my source? I actually worked on cable simulators, my technical training over that makes me well aware of the LCR effect of cabling but forgive my background and who I am (25+ years relying on the technical facts) therefore hard for me to simply rely on simple hearing the difference. Don't you thing that since this discussion has started I haven't asked questions in my own surrounding knowing that who knows I could possibly be wrong? I think the path this discussion now seems to be taking might afterall provide some positive... this is all I want afterall (I don't care about being right or wrong as long as the proper (reliable) info is provided). The only way to be get this certainty, is to discuss the matter intelligently with people that are willing to provide with pertinent information that will make me see differently.

TECHNOKID

bikezappa wrote: »

This post is an example and maybe an answer to GG's post about why many older members don't visit here anymore.

I just don't get why people need to be disrespectful to other members. Because people don't agree doesn't mean they can ridicule, call them names or make fun of them.

Sad.

Exactly my point! Agree to disagree! Provide intelligent info in order to provide enlitment if you think the other person is wrong... Good debate as long as there is openess can go a long way (isn't that what providing to the forum is all about?)...

tonyb

TECHNOKID wrote: »

Wrong steveinaz, when people start to provide info versus bashing I am all hears (eyes in this case) and study the info at hand and then it becomes fruitfull discussion but when people bash, disrecpect and use name calling, what kind of meat do you think there is for anyone to learn??? I am from a technical background, where would you think I tend to get my source? I actually worked on cable simulators, my technical training over that makes me well aware of the LCR effect of cabling but forgive my background and who I am (25+ years relying on the technical facts) therefore hard for me to simply rely on simple hearing the difference. Don't you thing that since this discussion has started I haven't asked questions in my own surrounding knowing that who knows I could possibly be wrong? I think the path this discussion now seems to be taking might afterall provide some positive... this is all I want afterall (I don't care about being right or wrong as long as the proper (reliable) info is provided). The only way to be get this certainty, is to discuss the matter intelligently with people that are willing to provide with pertinent information that will make me see differently.

Well in that case,rest assured,there is no right or wrong,generally speaking of coarse.This hobby of audio is more a trial and error thing.We can only shell out advice from our own experiences,and you have to take it from there.Read up,ask questions,but most of all,ya have to dive in,know what I'm saying?Alot of experience resides here,not just with Polk products,but with all things audio related.

TECHNOKID

bikezappa wrote: »

Many forums do not tolerate name calling.

I wonder if name calling gives them a hard on.

I just don't get it, but it's there.

My guess is a lack of moderation and my biggest guess is the forum members are also clients therefore it kills the moderation! Can you imagine Polk banning some of their great customers $$$$? I might be wrong, but just a wild guess from my small knowledge of onlin forums! Personnally, I don't have any time what so ever for this kind of behavior as it is not my goal! Provide me with knowledge and I don't care to be wrong... I LEARN!!! I don't need to LEARN what my parents didn't think I needed to learn (name calling, disrespect and poor emotional behaviors).

TECHNOKID

steveinaz wrote: »

Matt
Don't be discouraged. In hobbies of any kind, there can be alot of passion in peoples beliefs--passion sometimes results in heated argument. Nature of the beast. There are many extremely intelligent people here with loads of experience, you just need to learn how to filter the information in a constructive way.

and I would honestly say you are one of them! While you write honestly what you think, never yet I have seen anything disrespectfull in your part!

TECHNOKID

Trust me -- there's no way I would be where I am today (just 12 months later) without CP and I am sure many others can attest similarly.

Even with only one year at CP, you don't realize the kind of contribution you make and will make as you do have a positive attitude and YOU are the kind of people that's worht while engaging in discussion with and hopefully one way or the other, someone out of the POSITIVE discussion LEARNS/GAIN!!!

TECHNOKID

mdaudioguy wrote: »

Curious - is this cable construction recipe your own personal "formula," or is it available somewhere else on the web? You seem to want us all to be dependent on you personally (via pm or email) instead of perhaps posting the "recipe" right here.

I have seen some of the sort on the web before (through another forum), I'll try to find it and post it.

seafire

TECHNOKID wrote: »

I have seen some of the sort on the web before (through another forum), I'll try to find it and post it.

Thank you for seeing my side of the story too.It was 4 or 5 am my time in the morning when I popped my fuse!.
After three hours of sleep a cup of coffee and breakfast I am sitting at work and have decided the following.They will not succeed.I am in for the long haul;)
After all there are some guys that are nice here .I have received a couple of pm's that have changed my mind;)

TECHNOKID

Ah! I knew I seen this before, took me a while to dig this through old discussions. I wouldn't have the patience to do such nor the will as I didn't think it be worthwhile. However, the article is very interesting.

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

F1nut

What some of you don't seem to be grasping here is that the tech stuff/specs cannot tell you how a cable will sound. You have to hear them with your own ears on your own gear because what works for one will not for another. Every system is different and every system is the sum of the pieces, including the cables. Synergy is key.

For someone to come here and simply say that high end cables are BS is flat out ignorant, counterproductive and not what Club Polk is about.

As far as fitting in here and as with any social group, respect is earned. One cannot just jump in saying here I am, look at me. There is a right way to interact and there is a way that will cause you to be outcast from the start. The path one chooses is on them and they have to live with the choice they make. When one chooses the wrong path, they have no right to whine about how they are treated.

ben62670

So cute. No Tech Kid believes in sea fairies:rolleyes:

ND13

The majority of folk's who are new to a board try to ease their way into that particular forum's culture before spewing off at the keyboard. Here if one does, one WILL get hazed, but if one has thick skin and can show that they can contribute without pitching a hissy fit, they eventually find this place to be the best board around. Though there are close to 62k "members", it's a community of a few hundred.

Jesse(among others)can be one of THE most helpful and friendly people in CP, but he will put one through the gauntlet to prove one's worth when he feels the need or just get's that gut feeling that a troll has arrived. I for one am grateful that he does, because I'm not that patient and would get banned.

Just had to quote myself from the "Emotiva Story".

Nuff said.

heiney9

TECHNOKID wrote: »

Wrong steveinaz, when people start to provide info versus bashing I am all hears (eyes in this case) and study the info at hand and then it becomes fruitfull discussion but when people bash, disrecpect and use name calling, what kind of meat do you think there is for anyone to learn??? I am from a technical background, where would you think I tend to get my source? I actually worked on cable simulators, my technical training over that makes me well aware of the LCR effect of cabling but forgive my background and who I am (25+ years relying on the technical facts) therefore hard for me to simply rely on simple hearing the difference. Don't you thing that since this discussion has started I haven't asked questions in my own surrounding knowing that who knows I could possibly be wrong? I think the path this discussion now seems to be taking might afterall provide some positive... this is all I want afterall (I don't care about being right or wrong as long as the proper (reliable) info is provided). The only way to be get this certainty, is to discuss the matter intelligently with people that are willing to provide with pertinent information that will make me see differently.

Stop relying on cable simulators and technical facts and start using your ears. If it's hard for you to believe your ears then you really should just stick to basic cables and stop trying to convince those of us who actually hear a difference that it has to correlate to something on paper.

My pertinent information is get you ears on as many different types of cables you can find...............and choose the ones that sound the best to you in your rig. Stop trying to look at data sheets, prices and telling other people what they hear and experience is invalid because you don't believe it; can't hear it; or think a certain $$$ is enough to spend on cables.

H9

AudioGenics

Contrary to our intuition, we demonstrate that noise can be a benefit factor that enhances our hearing sensitivity. We measured subjects' abilities to detect near threshold pure tone in different noise levels. The results show that by adding noise of certain level, the subjects can detect near threshold pure tone better than without noise.

AudioGenics

It has been long recognized that the ear's sensitivity varies with frequency especially at low levels as studied by Fletcher and Munson ; Robinson and Dadson.

commonly known as "The Fletcher & Munson hearing sensitivity curve"

The human ear is sensitive in the region of 2 - 4 kHz with significant rolloffs above and below this narrow range

AudioGenics

A cable simulator will compensate for differential frequency losses across a length of cable by attenuating signal levels of higher frequencies until they equal signal levels of lower frequencies. The cable simulator is used in situations where there are excessive signal levels at the tap port and a short cable drop to the subscriber.

tonyb

........yeah...ok.
Is this an attempt to school us on the fine points and limitations of the human ear?
Now there's a discussion we never had.:rolleyes:

Too early for this crap,gotta go suck down some java and scratch my balls.

Ricardo

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

A cable simulator will compensate for differential frequency losses across a length of cable by attenuating signal levels of higher frequencies until they equal signal levels of lower frequencies. The cable simulator is used in situations where there are excessive signal levels at the tap port and a short cable drop to the subscriber.

Nice quote:

http://www.eaglecomtronics.com/Products/Cable_TV_Products/Signal_Conditioning_Products/Cable_Simulators/cable_simulators.html

AudioGenics

Yes
Establishing what the accepted facts are (subject to debate) and then where the opinions, imagination, and creativity for new thoughts begins

steveinaz

TECHNOKID wrote: »

and I would honestly say you are one of them! While you write honestly what you think, never yet I have seen anything disrespectfull in your part!

There's just no need to take things to a personal level. Either you believe in the benefits of cable swapping or you don't. All you can do is recommend to others that they try it--instead of relying on what they've read somewhere.

The main thing that people forget in this hobby is that it is filled with subjectivity. Yes, even the big boys can be wrong--or, they are listening for attributes that they consider "reference" or most desireable in audio; why do you think tubes are so popular?

Bottom line, you buy and select those things for your system that you feel improve it's performance. You shouldn't have to feel a need to justify that to anyone.

Mutual respect is a 2-way street. I may not agree with your opinion, but I respect the fact that you are entitled to one.

steveinaz

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

Yes
Establishing what the accepted facts are (subject to debate) and then where the opinions, imagination, and creativity for new thoughts begins

So, accept the facts and be happy with your choices and move on. Others simply don't share your observations--is that so hard to swallow? It's called opinion, and everyone has one.

There are facts and formulas that prove a bee shouldn't be able to fly--so do we ignore the fact that they can?

heiney9

The biggest issue I see is no one can really say how the so called facts correlate to what each individual hears and how their brain processes what they hear. You can spout all the measured facts you want...............but until you can correlate that to each and every individual's perceptions, processing capabilities, sensibilities about what sounds correct or good; it's nothing but a bunch of words, graphs, theories on a computer screen or piece of paper.

H9

Erik Tracy

steveinaz wrote: »

So, accept the facts and be happy with your choices and move on. Others simply don't share your observations--is that so hard to swallow? It's called opinion, and everyone has one.

The issue I have is that many of the hard line 'audio atheists' have never conducted there own observations - they just quote from on line sources.

I myself was a skeptic - then I listened for myself and concluded -for me - for my rig - for my preferences - I was able to hear and detect differences in cables....and now I have gone down a path I never thought I would be on.

And as F1nut quite aptly stated - it is all about system synergy and what works for you.

As long as both camps can agree that utlimately, it should be one's own ears that make the final decision - I'm good with that.

But to shout down others with quotes and links, and then chide us who do hear changes that we are subject to Jedi Mind Tricks - that is not what I would consider being open minded.

Go try for yourself - if you don't hear any changes - cool, at least you can state that you tried something for yourself and have a position based on an observation.