Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

treitz3

seafire wrote: »

STATEMENT ONE (the most important one)

For two days I shut my mouth only stopping to observe.Asseholes like KEIKO KEX TREITZ HEINEY9 contribute nothing to this thread....

First off, you spell **** ****. Not asseholes. It is this kind of uneducated crap that ties extremely well with your uneducated assessment that Cat5 wire and how they work with higher fidelity verses other cables, no matter the price. They don't, period. Plain and simple.

Now, as for me being among those that have nothing to contribute to this thread? When someone actually asked a legitimate question, I offered my evaluations based on experience, not something looked up on Wikipedia or BS spewed out of the mouth.

Allow me to offer that same post again.......[see below].

treitz3 wrote: »

Good morning Jeb. I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to technobabblekid. I was just advising you to try out some new cables with an open mind.

That said, let me offer you my experience with speaker cables. I did the Rat Shack thing, the Home Depot thing trying to find the biggest and baddest cable I could find. The only notable change I heard was that the bass got a little better when going from the smallest wires to the biggest wires. Now, I must have tried 8 more sub $200.00 cables after that and while others may have noticed a change, I sure as hell did not. Maybe I just kept trying the wrong cables. Now, my final set of low cost [roughly $220.00] was AQ X2 speaker cable that made no change initially but when I added silver solder and precision 'nanners to each of the ends? Ok, this was a surprise. There was a slight change across the board.

Obviously, for me, there was proof in the pudding right there. What I had learned so far is that the smaller the gauge of wire can yield some change and that improving the connections can yield even better results. That was all the proof I needed to actually go out and spend some dough on some real SC's. I ran across a deal here on the forum to purchase a set of AQ CV-8's with a 72v BP upgrade for less than 1/2 of retail. I figured what the hell? Worth the shot considering it was just a small fraction of what I had blown on my rig at that point, I'll try it.

A buddy of mine from California and I were listening to music all morning long until the cables arrived and we went ahead and hooked them up and played some of the selections that we had listened too earlier on that morning. All I can say is that within 14-15 seconds, I had a smile from here to the Mississippi. My bud was in the sweet spot and I was about 7 feet off axis and I could tell that there was a cleanness, more details, tight-**** bass, smoother mids and an extension on the highs I had never heard before. I knew almost instantaneously that I liked what I heard.

It wasn't until I sat down in the sweet spot that everything just came into focus though. This is the point to where after about a minute of listening I jumped up, high-fived my buddy and started literally dancing in the room, yelling "I can finally hear what the F they have heard all this time!!!". What was I so happy about? I was happy that for the first time in my life, I heard what other people actually had been talking about. I heard it. That was why I was so happy. I finally heard it! Now I could talk about how they affect the sound stage, how you could tailor specific sounds or flavors to your rig, talk about the different subtleties that were always in the music that I hadn't ever heard before.....but were always there.

Since then, I try to get as many flavors of SC's in my rig as possible. Some sound great on my rig, some sound like I'm taking a step back in my audio journey. Now keep in mind that all throughout this time, the better the components in my system got, the more noticeable the changes in SC's got. Also, by the time I tried out my first "real" set of SC's I had already invested heavily in IC's because I learned about them waaaaay before I started getting serious about SC's.

AudioGenics

You really can't be taking this seriously ?

People just have different ways of expressing themselves.

That is what makes all this so much fun...with some audio stuff now and again.

LIFE IS SERIOUS.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS FUN AND GAMES.........

heiney9

I just put a pair of MIT CVT Terminator 1 spekaer cables in my rig. I have to say so far the impression is very positive. The sound stage while being more tightly focused across the front has also added some definite depth as well as better integration of the SDA drivers. It really sounds good.

Next up are the MIT CVT Terminator 1 I/C's........you guys don;t know what you're missing.

AudioGenics

F1nut wrote: »

I'm not in the habit of repeating myself, but in your case cfart, I'll make an exception. I'm also including JVC.

YOU'RE A MORON!!!


Now, please go away. Your trolling isn't needed or wanted here.

have a laugh.. please...

AudioGenics

heiney9 wrote: »

I just put a pair of MIT CVT Terminator 1 spekaer cables in my rig. I have to say so far the impression is very positive. The sound stage while being more tightly focused across the front has also added some definite depth as well as better integration of the SDA drivers. It really sounds good.

Next up are the MIT CVT Terminator 1 I/C's........you guys don;t know what you're missing.

very nice design by Bruce Brisson.
One of few that provides "Quantification of Performance"
or is it "Quantify the Performance"
you get the drift......

inspiredsports

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

very nice design by Bruce Brisson.
One of few that provides "Quantification of Performance"
or is it "Quantify the Performance"
you get the drift......

JVC, I've gotten lost in the dozens of posts you've placed with no apparent intent. Do you do you own a pair of Polk's? Are you looking to upgrade basic wire for some higher quality cables and interconnects? What is your intent here?

inspiredsports

seafire wrote: »

STATEMENT ONE (the most important one) . . . for two days I shut my mouth only stopping to observe. Asseholes like KEIKO KEX TREITZ HEINEY9 contribute nothing to this thread....only a continuous slander of insults not only to me but to other forum members too . . .

You've gotten off to a poor start due to your early contributions and the way in which you phrased them in this divisive thread. If you come out firing with a bad attitude after a few dozen posts, you might just expect a beat down by members who've seen your kind of baiting hundreds of times before.

Excepting this particular "no win zone" thread, the overall body of knowledge those you say are belittling you have contributed in their efforts to help others in the group is extensive.

Same questions. Do you own Polk speakers? Are you interested in upgrading your speaker cables and interconnects?

steveinaz

you guys are kidding me right? Let's this effer die already.

F1nut

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

have a laugh.. please...

Thanks, but I only laugh at things I find humorous. You, I find pathetic.

treitz3

Not only pathetic, but a disgrace to the Polk name and the forum period. Him and a couple others.

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

I see it now Curt.

"asseholes" like me? I guess he means "****". Talk to bobt, maybe you two can split the cost on a speak and spell. Like me? Hmmm, I think I made it fairly clear that I was "your" **** seasquirt.

Back in the box ya go now Junior. :cool:

See what I mean you come out firing your guns without checking your facts because yo have a peanut brain.**** can be asse as in old English from Celtic origin or arse in other parts of the world.In all cases it refers to a donkey and its **** which in short describes you:D

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Actually, he doesn't see you because you're on his ignore list.

I'm tiring of reading your incredibly repetitive posts. All YOU'VE done in this thread is repeat yourself about 40 times. That big long winded posts a few posts back is exactly what you've been saying OVER AND OVER AND OVER again through this whole thread. We get your point. A few here even agree with you...the VAST majority disagree. Get over it, move on with your life, enjoy your Cat45 cables, kick back and enjoy the tunes.

Hi yes I admit I did repeat myself expecting a normal reply like hmmm I read your post I disagree..here are my reasons why or anything in that line..Instead the replies are usually direct personal insults like seafart seasperm etc...so I would repeat hoping to entice some interesting debate but to no avail just slandering and name calling..so eventually I started dishing out some too seeing that they continue on their merry way.But I hear your point and thank you for your normal reply;)

seafire

inspiredsports wrote: »

You've gotten off to a poor start due to your early contributions and the way in which you phrased them in this divisive thread. If you come out firing with a bad attitude after a few dozen posts, you might just expect a beat down by members who've seen your kind of baiting hundreds of times before.

Excepting this particular "no win zone" thread, the overall body of knowledge those you say are belittling you have contributed in their efforts to help others in the group is extensive.

Same questions. Do you own Polk speakers? Are you interested in upgrading your speaker cables and interconnects?

One of my HT systems runs Polk speakers why?and from time to time I check the latest offerings in terms of speaker cables and interconnects and listen to them compared to what I use.

seafire

Typo error and please realize that cyberspace is not only America

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

No excuse. Cyberspace is just cyberspace. You're still a moron.

I will not be communicating with you again.Your insulting replies are empty and have no value or contribution.Goodbye
PS I don,t know what your level of education is but let me tell you a little secret..there is a whole world out their besides America

bikezappa

Again...discussions (pro and con) should be welcome here, but ONLY if done in a respectful manner. Why can't this be a simple club rule?

I don't enjoy the name calling in the posts.

AudioGenics

inspiredsports wrote: »

JVC, I've gotten lost in the dozens of posts you've placed with no apparent intent. Do you do you own a pair of Polk's? Are you looking to upgrade basic wire for some higher quality cables and interconnects? What is your intent here?

Yes.
Interested in new product developments.
just having fun.

AudioGenics

F1nut wrote: »

Thanks, but I only laugh at things I find humorous. You, I find pathetic.

thanks

AudioGenics

treitz3 wrote: »

Not only pathetic, but a disgrace to the Polk name and the forum period. Him and a couple others.

in disgrace

mdaudioguy

bikezappa wrote: »

Again...discussions (pro and con) should be welcome here, but ONLY if done in a respectful manner. Why can't this be a simple club rule?

I don't enjoy the name calling in the posts.

+1

I, for one, still have several questions, particularly about IC's, but I think I'll hold off and start a new thread later. I don't feel that anything constructive will occur in this thread again. It was fun for a while...:o

P.S. My new thread will not start out so presumptive and antagonistic AND will (hopefully) have all words - in the title at least - spelled correctly.

mantis

Guys ... you are talking about speaker wire right? My god.

If you wanna use cat 5 for speaker wire, go right ahead. If you feel cheaper wire is better then higher end wire, then use it. If you don't agree with what others say, try it out for yourself and form your own opinion. What's so damn hard about it?

If you feel this guy is making a stink of the forum, report him. Don't add fuel to the fire.

So I'll just say this, wire makes a difference. It has to have the correct guage and length to carry the proper signal from the amp to the speaker without losing or picking anything up on the way. I don't care who makes the wire, I don't care what it looks like, I don't care what it is made out of, I don't care what one person says or another, all I care about is hearing what was send out. That's all . Once you can do this, there is nothing you can do to that wire to make it any better.

There is some truth to this forum on both sides but both sides are going further then it need to be.

While all you guys are in here arguing who has the best wire for the job, I'll be listening to my Kimber Kables and enjoying my system.

Good luck with the rest of this.

Dan

AudioGenics

steveinaz wrote: »

you guys are kidding me right? Let's this effer die already.

My Compliments !
What cool new word... EFFER ... found it in Urban Dict.

AudioGenics

Keiko wrote: »

And it's crap like this and the obvious trolling by these new individuals that keep adding fuel to the fire. :mad:

treitz3's post is 110% correct chen.

I am in 110% agreement.
Perhaps a discussion on cabling design would be preferred.
Would you agree ?

AudioGenics

Keiko wrote: »

Since you agree 110% chen perhaps you'd be kind enough to move your pathetisisms along now, as I don't believe you're capable of any type of intelligent discussion on this forum. Be it with cable or anything else audio related. I will say this though, you have a pretty good knack for copying and pasting from web resources and plagiarizing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism

Out :rolleyes:

Thank you very much. You are most kind

Stevenmbell

http://www.calabrine.com/

I tried a few before I found one that I heard a difference in. Try these they are cheap very well made in the USA. I hear tighter bass,more natural mids and highs with these wires.:D:rolleyes:

Flash21

mantis wrote: »

Guys ... you are talking about speaker wire right? My god.

Actually they're not, for the most part.

It's somewhat amusing, sorta like watching drunks in a bar try to have a serious debate...

AudioGenics

are you currently using 12 gauge or 9 Analysis Plus Oval Nine speaker cables ?

NJPOLKER

Flash21 wrote: »

Actually they're not, for the most part.

It's somewhat amusing, sorta like watching drunks in a bar try to have a serious debate...

I knew I heard this B.S. before and now remember where. Good call Flash

AudioGenics

Buy / Trial several pairs of excellent speaker cable of different types and makes from reputable dealers that has a return policy.

and Try it out for a fair period of time using your favorite sources
in your system.

Make your own determination.

sucks2beme

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

Buy / Trial several pairs of excellent speaker cable of different types and makes from reputable dealers that has a return policy.

and Try it out for a fair period of time using your favorite sources
in your system.

Make your own determination.

Outstanding, the correct summery for the thread.
THREAD CLOSED. MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE.