Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

AudioGenics

see

http://www.high-endaudio.com/RC-SpkrCab.html

inspiredsports

ment wrote: »

just my own thought ...

at first i was swimming in this idea of a good quality speaker wire .... but then it hit me ..... what would be the point of using grade A speaker wires from amp to speaker terminal when i wont upgrade the speaker wires used INSIDE the speaker ......

go ahead and use the best speaker wire you can afford only if i upgraded the wires inside the speakers.... so i told myself....

i love generic #16 wires from then on

So then you would also agree that a new preamp, amp, turntable or CD player, regardless of its quality, wouldn't make any difference either (without rewiring your speakers ), . . . RIGHT? Tubes wouldn't make a difference, Solid State wouldn't make a difference, nothing would make a difference. Oh ****, Here we go again . . .

ND13

Uuuuuugggggghhhhhh!!!!!

seafire

STATEMENT ONE (the most important one)

For two days I shut my mouth only stopping to observe.Asseholes like KEIKO KEX TREITZ HEINEY9 contribute nothing to this thread....only a continuous slander of insults not only to me but to other forum members too.What I enjoy is that members that I consider my equal will stop and look at my reason and then reply with their own opinion and reasons.This is called reasoning something anybody with a little intelligence would engage in.So I actually laugh out loud when I see these little pretenders hiding behind their lack of reasoning with slander and insults and I know that those that know can see it too through the responses on this forum:D

STATEMENT TWO NB!!! MY OPINION
I estimate (I could be wrong with a couple of % ) that at least 75% own hi fi gear with cheap manufactured pcb boards with tracks only a couple pf microns thin terminating at the speaker binding posts.Further the source(cd sacd or dvd player)also has this type of pcb track.Most own commercial speakers with wire and xover connection quality inside that leaves much to be desired.Now please justify spending your money on perfect interlinks when your source and amplifier leave much to be desired:rolleyes:DUH!.It is like owning a VW beetle but insist on putting on 18" wheels and tyres.First turn the beetle into a porsche or buy one before putting on the exoctic wheels as they are the last chain in the link.Audio signal and energy for that matter does not like to change medium once it's on the fly.This is how I first tried cat45 as it is a thin solid cooper wire that represents closely what most cd's amps and speakers have inside.I calculated internal resistance on my lenght of cable so that the signal meets the minimum resistance on route to the speaker.Important to understand that there is still resistance but similiar to the amp and speakers internal tracks as so to encourage a homogeneous flow.In laymans terms I am trying to flow signal from the amp to the speaker without it feeling it has ever changed medium.Obviously if you own custom amps (Nelson Pass Krell Burmester Levison) your tracks are much thicker(sometimes hand laid copper or silver wire tracks of a much bigger gauge) which again proves my theory your speaker wire should be adapted.
STATEMENT 3 MY OPINION
When I refer to cat 45 I refer to the fact that I used these cables as a base to manufacture my own versions.Some of these contain up to 20 twisted pairs of solid core copper wire !So lets say for example a NP amp that has tracks and resistance and flow =x I will grab my cat 45 and construct a cable as close to x as possible.Although I joined under this thread I never said other cables don't sound good or better..I said IMHO its a waste of time in terms of difference in terms of the above said
Again ppl have hammered me .what bugs me is that at least I tried to share my theory on an audio site(contributing) and not sit here all day seeing who I can slander and insult next!!THIS HAS NO CONTRIBUTION VALUE TO THIS SITE
So peanut gallery continue on your way but I have faith in human intelligence and it's my belief that all you slanderers will fall by the way side sooner or later..THE LAW OF RELATIVITY tells me so;)
I will engage in no further communication with the slanderers

AudioGenics

Perhaps this will help..

AudioGenics

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seafire

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

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I left you out of my little list but your not far behind when I look at all your "in between the lines posts".Can't you come out and say it ? just what is your take on the topic or else your argument against my theories:cool:
Oh **** I forgot your gr9 algebra postings

Systems

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

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Hey Joe thanks for posting that hearing aid schematic,if used in combo with the ear horns posted by Face in this thread http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1038255#post1038255 IMO it would make for an excellent audio aid and may even help in the differentiating between various cables.;):D

AudioGenics

seafire wrote: »

I left you out of my little list but your not far behind when I look at all your "in between the lines posts".Can't you come out and say it ? just what is your take on the topic or else your argument against my theories:cool:
Oh **** I forgot your gr9 algebra postings

I agree with your theories.
Therefore there is no need for argument.

Remember the steps of Science !
Hypothesis
Theory
Law

and in regards to Law which
generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law.

Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them.

One way to tell a law and a theory apart is to ask if the description gives you a means to explain 'why'.

there is no 'proof' or absolute 'truth' in science.

The closest we get are facts,

seafire

Good then there is no argument:D...but I really have my hooks in for those that jump on here and only have unkind words:mad: regards Seafire(I am off to bed)

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

Blah, blah, blah! I don't see you's.

Yes I know...how why ?????
Because asseholes like you are blind
Enjoy the rest of your life
END OF COMMUNICATION. POINT

AudioGenics

I believe the accepted translation of Einstein's thesis into English
is
Part I: The Special Theory of Relativity

comfortablycurt

seafire wrote: »

Yes I know...how why ?????
Because asseholes like you are blind
Enjoy the rest of your life
END OF COMMUNICATION. POINT

Actually, he doesn't see you because you're on his ignore list.

I'm tiring of reading your incredibly repetitive posts. All YOU'VE done in this thread is repeat yourself about 40 times. That big long winded posts a few posts back is exactly what you've been saying OVER AND OVER AND OVER again through this whole thread. We get your point. A few here even agree with you...the VAST majority disagree. Get over it, move on with your life, enjoy your Cat45 cables, kick back and enjoy the tunes.

comfortablycurt

Keiko wrote: »

I see it now Curt.

"asseholes" like me? I guess he means "****". Talk to bobt, maybe you two can split the cost on a speak and spell. Like me? Hmmm, I think I made it fairly clear that I was "your" **** seasquirt.

Back in the box ya go now Junior. :cool:

Mike, you are such an assehole!:p

Bobt and seabiscuit need to get together sometime. They could spend hours upon hours discussing the unstoppable synergy of Cat45 cables in EVERY SYSTEM ON THE PLANET!! Individual system synergy be damned...Cat45 is where it's at for every single application you could ever have. If it involves a wire of any kind...Cat45 is the way to go.

I guess I should throw away all of these crappy 14 gauge speaker cables I just got...they're too thick. It's throwing off the signal path between all of these micron thick PCB's. Luckily I think I have some 24 gauge zip cord laying around somewhere. Would this work better Seabiscuit? It's closer to the size of the PCB's right?

Should I rewire my refrigerator with Cat45?

I'm thinking about throwing out the jumper cables I have in my car, and just sticking a couple lengths of Cat45 in there. I figure it will work a lot better.

F1nut

I'm not in the habit of repeating myself, but in your case cfart, I'll make an exception. I'm also including JVC.

YOU'RE A MORON!!!


Now, please go away. Your trolling isn't needed or wanted here.

treitz3

seafire wrote: »

STATEMENT ONE (the most important one)

For two days I shut my mouth only stopping to observe.Asseholes like KEIKO KEX TREITZ HEINEY9 contribute nothing to this thread....

First off, you spell **** ****. Not asseholes. It is this kind of uneducated crap that ties extremely well with your uneducated assessment that Cat5 wire and how they work with higher fidelity verses other cables, no matter the price. They don't, period. Plain and simple.

Now, as for me being among those that have nothing to contribute to this thread? When someone actually asked a legitimate question, I offered my evaluations based on experience, not something looked up on Wikipedia or BS spewed out of the mouth.

Allow me to offer that same post again.......[see below].

treitz3 wrote: »

Good morning Jeb. I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to technobabblekid. I was just advising you to try out some new cables with an open mind.

That said, let me offer you my experience with speaker cables. I did the Rat Shack thing, the Home Depot thing trying to find the biggest and baddest cable I could find. The only notable change I heard was that the bass got a little better when going from the smallest wires to the biggest wires. Now, I must have tried 8 more sub $200.00 cables after that and while others may have noticed a change, I sure as hell did not. Maybe I just kept trying the wrong cables. Now, my final set of low cost [roughly $220.00] was AQ X2 speaker cable that made no change initially but when I added silver solder and precision 'nanners to each of the ends? Ok, this was a surprise. There was a slight change across the board.

Obviously, for me, there was proof in the pudding right there. What I had learned so far is that the smaller the gauge of wire can yield some change and that improving the connections can yield even better results. That was all the proof I needed to actually go out and spend some dough on some real SC's. I ran across a deal here on the forum to purchase a set of AQ CV-8's with a 72v BP upgrade for less than 1/2 of retail. I figured what the hell? Worth the shot considering it was just a small fraction of what I had blown on my rig at that point, I'll try it.

A buddy of mine from California and I were listening to music all morning long until the cables arrived and we went ahead and hooked them up and played some of the selections that we had listened too earlier on that morning. All I can say is that within 14-15 seconds, I had a smile from here to the Mississippi. My bud was in the sweet spot and I was about 7 feet off axis and I could tell that there was a cleanness, more details, tight-**** bass, smoother mids and an extension on the highs I had never heard before. I knew almost instantaneously that I liked what I heard.

It wasn't until I sat down in the sweet spot that everything just came into focus though. This is the point to where after about a minute of listening I jumped up, high-fived my buddy and started literally dancing in the room, yelling "I can finally hear what the F they have heard all this time!!!". What was I so happy about? I was happy that for the first time in my life, I heard what other people actually had been talking about. I heard it. That was why I was so happy. I finally heard it! Now I could talk about how they affect the sound stage, how you could tailor specific sounds or flavors to your rig, talk about the different subtleties that were always in the music that I hadn't ever heard before.....but were always there.

Since then, I try to get as many flavors of SC's in my rig as possible. Some sound great on my rig, some sound like I'm taking a step back in my audio journey. Now keep in mind that all throughout this time, the better the components in my system got, the more noticeable the changes in SC's got. Also, by the time I tried out my first "real" set of SC's I had already invested heavily in IC's because I learned about them waaaaay before I started getting serious about SC's.

AudioGenics

You really can't be taking this seriously ?

People just have different ways of expressing themselves.

That is what makes all this so much fun...with some audio stuff now and again.

LIFE IS SERIOUS.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS FUN AND GAMES.........

heiney9

I just put a pair of MIT CVT Terminator 1 spekaer cables in my rig. I have to say so far the impression is very positive. The sound stage while being more tightly focused across the front has also added some definite depth as well as better integration of the SDA drivers. It really sounds good.

Next up are the MIT CVT Terminator 1 I/C's........you guys don;t know what you're missing.

AudioGenics

F1nut wrote: »

I'm not in the habit of repeating myself, but in your case cfart, I'll make an exception. I'm also including JVC.

YOU'RE A MORON!!!


Now, please go away. Your trolling isn't needed or wanted here.

have a laugh.. please...

AudioGenics

heiney9 wrote: »

I just put a pair of MIT CVT Terminator 1 spekaer cables in my rig. I have to say so far the impression is very positive. The sound stage while being more tightly focused across the front has also added some definite depth as well as better integration of the SDA drivers. It really sounds good.

Next up are the MIT CVT Terminator 1 I/C's........you guys don;t know what you're missing.

very nice design by Bruce Brisson.
One of few that provides "Quantification of Performance"
or is it "Quantify the Performance"
you get the drift......

inspiredsports

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

very nice design by Bruce Brisson.
One of few that provides "Quantification of Performance"
or is it "Quantify the Performance"
you get the drift......

JVC, I've gotten lost in the dozens of posts you've placed with no apparent intent. Do you do you own a pair of Polk's? Are you looking to upgrade basic wire for some higher quality cables and interconnects? What is your intent here?

inspiredsports

seafire wrote: »

STATEMENT ONE (the most important one) . . . for two days I shut my mouth only stopping to observe. Asseholes like KEIKO KEX TREITZ HEINEY9 contribute nothing to this thread....only a continuous slander of insults not only to me but to other forum members too . . .

You've gotten off to a poor start due to your early contributions and the way in which you phrased them in this divisive thread. If you come out firing with a bad attitude after a few dozen posts, you might just expect a beat down by members who've seen your kind of baiting hundreds of times before.

Excepting this particular "no win zone" thread, the overall body of knowledge those you say are belittling you have contributed in their efforts to help others in the group is extensive.

Same questions. Do you own Polk speakers? Are you interested in upgrading your speaker cables and interconnects?

steveinaz

you guys are kidding me right? Let's this effer die already.

F1nut

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

have a laugh.. please...

Thanks, but I only laugh at things I find humorous. You, I find pathetic.

treitz3

Not only pathetic, but a disgrace to the Polk name and the forum period. Him and a couple others.

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

I see it now Curt.

"asseholes" like me? I guess he means "****". Talk to bobt, maybe you two can split the cost on a speak and spell. Like me? Hmmm, I think I made it fairly clear that I was "your" **** seasquirt.

Back in the box ya go now Junior. :cool:

See what I mean you come out firing your guns without checking your facts because yo have a peanut brain.**** can be asse as in old English from Celtic origin or arse in other parts of the world.In all cases it refers to a donkey and its **** which in short describes you:D

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Actually, he doesn't see you because you're on his ignore list.

I'm tiring of reading your incredibly repetitive posts. All YOU'VE done in this thread is repeat yourself about 40 times. That big long winded posts a few posts back is exactly what you've been saying OVER AND OVER AND OVER again through this whole thread. We get your point. A few here even agree with you...the VAST majority disagree. Get over it, move on with your life, enjoy your Cat45 cables, kick back and enjoy the tunes.

Hi yes I admit I did repeat myself expecting a normal reply like hmmm I read your post I disagree..here are my reasons why or anything in that line..Instead the replies are usually direct personal insults like seafart seasperm etc...so I would repeat hoping to entice some interesting debate but to no avail just slandering and name calling..so eventually I started dishing out some too seeing that they continue on their merry way.But I hear your point and thank you for your normal reply;)

seafire

inspiredsports wrote: »

You've gotten off to a poor start due to your early contributions and the way in which you phrased them in this divisive thread. If you come out firing with a bad attitude after a few dozen posts, you might just expect a beat down by members who've seen your kind of baiting hundreds of times before.

Excepting this particular "no win zone" thread, the overall body of knowledge those you say are belittling you have contributed in their efforts to help others in the group is extensive.

Same questions. Do you own Polk speakers? Are you interested in upgrading your speaker cables and interconnects?

One of my HT systems runs Polk speakers why?and from time to time I check the latest offerings in terms of speaker cables and interconnects and listen to them compared to what I use.

seafire

Typo error and please realize that cyberspace is not only America

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

No excuse. Cyberspace is just cyberspace. You're still a moron.

I will not be communicating with you again.Your insulting replies are empty and have no value or contribution.Goodbye
PS I don,t know what your level of education is but let me tell you a little secret..there is a whole world out their besides America