Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

heiney9 wrote: »

I just put a pair of MIT CVT Terminator 1 spekaer cables in my rig. I have to say so far the impression is very positive. The sound stage while being more tightly focused across the front has also added some definite depth as well as better integration of the SDA drivers. It really sounds good.

Next up are the MIT CVT Terminator 1 I/C's........you guys don;t know what you're missing.

very nice design by Bruce Brisson.
One of few that provides "Quantification of Performance"
or is it "Quantify the Performance"
you get the drift......

seafire wrote: »

STATEMENT ONE (the most important one) . . . for two days I shut my mouth only stopping to observe. Asseholes like KEIKO KEX TREITZ HEINEY9 contribute nothing to this thread....only a continuous slander of insults not only to me but to other forum members too . . .

You've gotten off to a poor start due to your early contributions and the way in which you phrased them in this divisive thread. If you come out firing with a bad attitude after a few dozen posts, you might just expect a beat down by members who've seen your kind of baiting hundreds of times before.

Excepting this particular "no win zone" thread, the overall body of knowledge those you say are belittling you have contributed in their efforts to help others in the group is extensive.

Same questions. Do you own Polk speakers? Are you interested in upgrading your speaker cables and interconnects?

Keiko wrote: »

I see it now Curt.

"asseholes" like me? I guess he means "****". Talk to bobt, maybe you two can split the cost on a speak and spell. Like me? Hmmm, I think I made it fairly clear that I was "your" **** seasquirt.

Back in the box ya go now Junior. :cool:

See what I mean you come out firing your guns without checking your facts because yo have a peanut brain.**** can be asse as in old English from Celtic origin or arse in other parts of the world.In all cases it refers to a donkey and its **** which in short describes you:D

inspiredsports wrote: »

You've gotten off to a poor start due to your early contributions and the way in which you phrased them in this divisive thread. If you come out firing with a bad attitude after a few dozen posts, you might just expect a beat down by members who've seen your kind of baiting hundreds of times before.

Excepting this particular "no win zone" thread, the overall body of knowledge those you say are belittling you have contributed in their efforts to help others in the group is extensive.

Same questions. Do you own Polk speakers? Are you interested in upgrading your speaker cables and interconnects?

One of my HT systems runs Polk speakers why?and from time to time I check the latest offerings in terms of speaker cables and interconnects and listen to them compared to what I use.

Keiko wrote: »

No excuse. Cyberspace is just cyberspace. You're still a moron.

I will not be communicating with you again.Your insulting replies are empty and have no value or contribution.Goodbye
PS I don,t know what your level of education is but let me tell you a little secret..there is a whole world out their besides America

inspiredsports wrote: »

JVC, I've gotten lost in the dozens of posts you've placed with no apparent intent. Do you do you own a pair of Polk's? Are you looking to upgrade basic wire for some higher quality cables and interconnects? What is your intent here?

Yes.
Interested in new product developments.
just having fun.

treitz3 wrote: »

Not only pathetic, but a disgrace to the Polk name and the forum period. Him and a couple others.

in disgrace

Guys ... you are talking about speaker wire right? My god.

If you wanna use cat 5 for speaker wire, go right ahead. If you feel cheaper wire is better then higher end wire, then use it. If you don't agree with what others say, try it out for yourself and form your own opinion. What's so damn hard about it?

If you feel this guy is making a stink of the forum, report him. Don't add fuel to the fire.

So I'll just say this, wire makes a difference. It has to have the correct guage and length to carry the proper signal from the amp to the speaker without losing or picking anything up on the way. I don't care who makes the wire, I don't care what it looks like, I don't care what it is made out of, I don't care what one person says or another, all I care about is hearing what was send out. That's all . Once you can do this, there is nothing you can do to that wire to make it any better.

There is some truth to this forum on both sides but both sides are going further then it need to be.

While all you guys are in here arguing who has the best wire for the job, I'll be listening to my Kimber Kables and enjoying my system.

Good luck with the rest of this.

Dan

Keiko wrote: »

And it's crap like this and the obvious trolling by these new individuals that keep adding fuel to the fire. :mad:

treitz3's post is 110% correct chen.

I am in 110% agreement.
Perhaps a discussion on cabling design would be preferred.
Would you agree ?

http://www.calabrine.com/

I tried a few before I found one that I heard a difference in. Try these they are cheap very well made in the USA. I hear tighter bass,more natural mids and highs with these wires.:D:rolleyes:

are you currently using 12 gauge or 9 Analysis Plus Oval Nine speaker cables ?

Buy / Trial several pairs of excellent speaker cable of different types and makes from reputable dealers that has a return policy.

and Try it out for a fair period of time using your favorite sources
in your system.

Make your own determination.

seafire wrote: »

Well boys I am waiting for someone to challenge my statements on a technical / scientific level any takers????

No need to be confrontational. There are some of us here who have spent some time quantitatively evaluating cable performance and who have tried to correlate quantitative performance with subjective listening perceptions.

Here is a link to one of my speaker cable evaluations:Review Of Audioquest Volcano Speaker Cable. If you scroll down to the conclusion section of that review, you will see I did a comparison of the AQ Volcanoes to three other cables and attached a summary in a PDF file.

I would be interested in reading the results of some of your comparative studies listing the specific cables evaluated.

seafire wrote: »

Ok interesting read but we found virtually no distortion on the 3 m lengths we tested with a occilo .I think this becomes prominent on long cable lengths sorry edit: but then again we did not find any on most short lengths of cable only with extremely thin cable and hi volume output sorry edit again I tend to agree with the last part of your statement...wow eventually some good clean debate :):)

With your oscilloscope measurements, did you evaluate the cable's performance in both the time and frequency domains, or just the time domain?

seafire wrote: »

Well boys I am waiting for someone to challenge my statements on a technical / scientific level any takers????

Well, I am not interested in "challenging" your statements. However, I do enjoy discussing other technical perspectives.

seafire wrote: »

Ok so I run water through a quarter inch pipe in my cd player I then interconnect it with a half inch pipe to my amp which internally uses a quarter inch pipe then out to my speakers with a 3 quarter inch pipe or many quarter inch pipes and then back to my passive crossover track quarter inch pipe to my speakers one eights pipe WHATEVER

seafire wrote: »

Thats why cat 5 e sounds so good.Because it emulates the the pcb tracks with a simple solid copper wire..so to offset resistance we may use a couple of strands more which unfortunately induces some capacitance over distance.Ideally we do not want to change the medium that the signal travels through in terms of resistance etc this will cause phase shift with highs and lows..ideally we want to extend the pc board all the way to the speaker... not a **** micron thick copper track changing into a multistrand pure silver speaker wire as wide as the missisipi.

A well designed speaker cable does considerably more than provide a larger, lower resistance signal path from amplifier to loudspeaker.

In order to better understand the challenges that a signal faces on its way to a loudspeaker, I think it is a good idea to consider the noise scenarios that impinge upon signal integrity. Everything that the audio signal travels through adds some noise, whether is is PCB traces, active or passive components, wire, etc. In addition to the noise that is in the signal path, there is also environmental noise to contend with (rf, emf, etc.). Environmental noise can have a serious detrimental effect on signal integrity.

The noise scenario inside a properly designed audio component will be quite different from the noise scenarios inside a speaker cabinet and in a listening room. For example, an audio equipment designer has many tools at his/her disposal to minimize noise inside the equipment. Of course, once the signal exits the equipment and is "out in the wild" (the listening room), the same noise reduction measures that worked well inside the equipment's shielded metal box may not work as well external to the box. Speaker cabinets, and speaker crossover networks, also provide some shielding against environmental noise. We must also consider that the travel distances from amplifier to speaker may be orders of magnitude greater than the travel distances inside the amps, source components, and loudspeakers.

Assuming we have acquired thoughtfully designed audio reproduction equipment and thoughtfully designed loudspeakers. It seems to me that the task then runs to selecting thoughtfully designed cables that will preserve signal integrity commensurate with the resolution capabilities of the electronics and loudspeakers.

In order to preserve signal integrity from the power amplifier outputs to the speaker inputs, we must contend with:

1. Significantly increased environmental noise.
2. Significantly increased path resistance.
3. Significantly increased path noise.
4. Significantly increased signal power levels.

Considering the above, the concept of "extending the PCB board all the way to the speaker" seems impractical.

Perhaps I am missing something. Please expound further.