Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Kex wrote: »
    He cheated, IMO, since he didn't actually say anything interesting. I think he should have told a joke or something, just to cheer us all up a little bit.

    P.S. Just noticed that Ben posted within 60 seconds of post 999, since the time is the same on both posts! He must have been waiting, with his answer ready and his little piggy hovering with feverish excitement over the Enter button!

    Busted:D I feel I can sleep better now LOL.
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  • Kex
    Kex Posts: 5,194
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
    Busted:D I feel I can sleep better now LOL.
    Well, at least now you actually did cheer us all up a teeny little bit after all ;) (me, anyway).
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited April 2009
    What are the differences between cat 5 cable and cat 5e cable? which one will make better speaker cables?
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
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  • [Deleted User]
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    edited April 2009
    Sky Fits Heaven, So Ride It.

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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited April 2009
    wow-how did I miss this thread? Haven't read one post yet, but I thought I'd get at least one post in it so I can say I contributed.

    Oh man, the posting race is neck and neck--certainly seems the rate is much faster in this one though. :rolleyes:
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited April 2009
    suprafantx wrote: »
    What are the differences between cat 5 cable and cat 5e cable? which one will make better speaker cables?

    Less Crosstalk. And IIRC twists per inch.
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited April 2009
    I just did google search and got some ideas now. I guess cat 5e will make better speaker cable. Correct me if I am wrong.
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited April 2009
    Cat5 is so passe. For sonic nirvana, Cat7 is the ultimate speaker cable. At least until Cat8 is ready.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_7_cable
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited April 2009
    never mind.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited April 2009
    Kex wrote: »
    He cheated, IMO, since he didn't actually say anything interesting. [/I]

    In Bens defense, has anyone said something interesting? :D
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    mmadden28 wrote:
    wow-how did I miss this thread? Haven't read one post yet, but I thought I'd get at least one post in it so I can say I contributed.

    Just like you, I didn't want to miss out on this epic :rolleyes: thread.
    mmadden28 wrote:
    Oh man, the posting race is neck and neck--certainly seems the rate is much faster in this one though. :rolleyes:

    That can happen when you have one poster with 180 (as of now) individual posts in a thread. I will limit myself to this single post as I have nothing to add one way or another and don't care (including this totally wasted effort).
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited April 2009
    steveinaz wrote: »
    In Bens defense, has anyone said something interesting? :D
    Not yet.
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,622
    edited April 2009
    I was here - Polkitup2 - 2009
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,731
    edited April 2009
    Well, here's the way I think that things are shaping up:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIokQ36rbA
    Sal Palooza
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited April 2009
    mrbigbluelight wrote: »
    Well, here's the way I think that things are shaping up:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIokQ36rbA

    Was that Cat 5 or Cat 5e ???? :D
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
    edited April 2009
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Was that Cat 5 or Cat 5e ???? :D

    LOL very good:D Cat 5 e enhanced with extra twists
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited April 2009
    seafire wrote: »
    LOL very good:D Cat 5 e enhanced with extra twists
    +1. Thank God for humor!
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    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited April 2009
    I have both cat5 and cat6 cables. I just found out that cat5 has solid wires and cat6 has stranded wires. Which one will make better speaker cable?
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited April 2009
    suprafantx wrote: »
    I have both cat5 and cat6 cables. I just found out that cat5 has solid wires and cat6 has stranded wires. Which one will make better speaker cable?

    Try it and find out.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,567
    edited April 2009
    suprafantx wrote: »
    I have both cat5 and cat6 cables. I just found out that cat5 has solid wires and cat6 has stranded wires. Which one will make better speaker cable?

    Neither.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited April 2009
    Hey Sea...

    Are you going to post in any 'other' thread on this site. Or is it just a ObsessiveCableCompulsive D.? With your knowledge 'you' should be all over this site, no?

    cnh
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  • timlitton
    timlitton Posts: 289
    edited April 2009
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,082
    edited April 2009
    timlitton wrote: »
    FightNight.jpg?t=1239124542

    That is TOO funny!
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited April 2009
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Try it and find out.

    I took me like 90 minutes to terminate only one side. Sliding 24 gauge wires is pain in the a$$.
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
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  • BigMac
    BigMac Posts: 849
    edited April 2009
    suprafantx wrote: »
    I have both cat5 and cat6 cables. I just found out that cat5 has solid wires and cat6 has stranded wires. Which one will make better speaker cable?

    I personally would use neither Cat5 or Cat6 as speaker wire, but here is a few pics anyways.


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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited April 2009
    timlitton wrote: »
    FightNight.jpg?t=1239124542

    Ah, a graphics designer (with a great sense of humor) in our midst, I see.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited April 2009
    here is another picture where CAT 5 was used successfully...

    the lower end was substantial and held the 'bass' and the high end was tight as a knot.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited April 2009
    suprafantx wrote: »
    I have both cat5 and cat6 cables. I just found out that cat5 has solid wires and cat6 has stranded wires. Which one will make better speaker cable?

    CAT5 can also be stranded. There are solid core and stranded versions of each.

    The difference you might ask? Stranded core is meant for patch cables (either populating the rack or wall to computer/Ethernet device). Solid core is intended for infrastructure runs.

    Stranded will hold up much better to constant bending. If you bend a metal coat hanger enough it breaks. If you bend a stranded cable of the same gauge, much different.
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited April 2009
    Do any of you Cat5 guru's even know what the rated characteristics are with Cat5 wire before you have altered it's capabilities?

    Come on Cat5 guru's. You can answer that one simple question, right?

    Those with degrees should be able to tell me over what kind of length and degree of bend, along with the amount of bending limits acceptable before you are now out of tolerable range of specifications for the electrical performance as well.

    I gotta run to Polk HQ and see some folks but I'll be back to check out the educated answers. That should give all of you Cat5 guru's plenty of time. It would be nice if you could link where you find your answers, unless you learn something you don't want to reveal. :eek:
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