Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
    edited April 2009
    I think this will be my last post here.I NEED TO GET TO BED AS I START MY CAT 5 BREADING CLASSES TOMORROW.Glasses check Knitting needles check x3 spools cat 5 cable check;););)
    Life is a beach let's lay on it:D:D:D
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited April 2009
    TECHNOKID wrote: »
    Is it appropriate to provide the link on this discussion? If so, why don't you provide the info for all to see on this forum?

    Well... I would post the link right here, right now... but...


    Did you take a look at the date?:rolleyes:




    Gotcha!:D


    (Ok, kinda lame, I know....)
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited April 2009
    So, who has dibs on One-Triple-Oh?
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2009
    steveinaz wrote: »
    You don't have to have professional equipment to hear differences. Just experiment with what's available. I'm an old school Yammie fan, and had many Yamaha pieces in the early 80's. Love their stuff. They were always waay ahead of the other Japanese manufacturers in build quality/attention to detail.

    As to why different cables might show differences; probably due to different topolgies, materials, connectors, etc. Impedance matching can also be a factor as RCA analog inputs are all over the map. XLR is a tighter specified 110ohm topology--much like digital's 75 ohm specification.
    Like I said, I am using my HD DVD players for music therefore HDMI cable to I/C the audio to the yamaha receiver/amp. The professional speakers also have the other function of DJ. We both agree on the XLR properties and balanced advantage. So, from what you are saying, in my particular set-up the high end cabling wouldn't be of any improvement? All I guess I'd have to be concerned is the proper interfacing of the RCA pre-out (unbalanced) to XLR balanced cabling (DIs could take care of this).

    I guess this http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81000 is definitely a good idea for the up-coming weekend (as long as it doesn't provide for impulsive spending on my part :rolleyes:) Thanks for your input steveinaz.

    Cheers :)
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2009
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Well... I would post the link right here, right now... but...


    Did you take a look at the date?:rolleyes:




    Gotcha!:D


    (Ok, kinda lame, I know....)
    an April FOOL link would be greatly appreciated, afterall some humor is always healthy during emotional debates (as steveinaz points out, we shouldn't take it so seriously) :)

    How many PMs have you received so far???? ;)
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited April 2009
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited April 2009
    C3PO sighting.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited April 2009
    makes_no_sense.jpg
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited April 2009
    ND13 wrote: »
    How long do you think it would take one man to make an exact copy of VH's braided Cat5 in lets say a 10 ft pr?

    I know that when I'm working, my time is worth about $35-40/hr. Several of these fellas make a lot more per hour than I'll ever see. Do the math, they ain't that cheap.

    Most here would rather buy some PROVEN, solidly built cables from an established, reputable cable manufacturer than spend their free time away from their family and friends braiding some cables that are questionably "equal too" what they can get used and are aesthetically pleasing to the eye.

    He shoots, he scores!!!

    I'm trying to be serious here too as I have spent a lot on wires to reach the point where I'm happy. However it was money WELL SPENT as I was able to recoup much of it in reselling them on the way up.

    While I understand that this is a hobby and invest hour upon hour tweaking, braiding a 10' speaker cable out of Cat5 would cost me over $2,000, (and IC's who knows how much more) if I charged myself what I charge my customers for consulting.

    I would love to get my hands on some of these Cat5's to test them alongside my MIT's and several other wires I have on hand, but the Cat5's simply cost too darn much to produce.

    (it's teed up guys)
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    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    I vote slap:eek::p
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited April 2009
    Congrats on snagging the 1000th post Ben
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited April 2009
    ben62670 wrote: »
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    outwit, outplay, outlast
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    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited April 2009
    Kex wrote: »
    He cheated, IMO, since he didn't actually say anything interesting. I think he should have told a joke or something, just to cheer us all up a little bit.

    P.S. Just noticed that Ben posted within 60 seconds of post 999, since the time is the same on both posts! He must have been waiting, with his answer ready and his little piggy hovering with feverish excitement over the Enter button!

    Busted:D I feel I can sleep better now LOL.
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited April 2009
    What are the differences between cat 5 cable and cat 5e cable? which one will make better speaker cables?
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 1,394
    edited April 2009
    Sky Fits Heaven, So Ride It.

    Halen
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited April 2009
    wow-how did I miss this thread? Haven't read one post yet, but I thought I'd get at least one post in it so I can say I contributed.

    Oh man, the posting race is neck and neck--certainly seems the rate is much faster in this one though. :rolleyes:
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited April 2009
    suprafantx wrote: »
    What are the differences between cat 5 cable and cat 5e cable? which one will make better speaker cables?

    Less Crosstalk. And IIRC twists per inch.
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited April 2009
    I just did google search and got some ideas now. I guess cat 5e will make better speaker cable. Correct me if I am wrong.
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited April 2009
    Cat5 is so passe. For sonic nirvana, Cat7 is the ultimate speaker cable. At least until Cat8 is ready.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_7_cable
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited April 2009
    never mind.
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,545
    edited April 2009
    Kex wrote: »
    He cheated, IMO, since he didn't actually say anything interesting. [/I]

    In Bens defense, has anyone said something interesting? :D
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Source: Rotel CD14MkII CD Player - Speakers: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited April 2009
    mmadden28 wrote:
    wow-how did I miss this thread? Haven't read one post yet, but I thought I'd get at least one post in it so I can say I contributed.

    Just like you, I didn't want to miss out on this epic :rolleyes: thread.
    mmadden28 wrote:
    Oh man, the posting race is neck and neck--certainly seems the rate is much faster in this one though. :rolleyes:

    That can happen when you have one poster with 180 (as of now) individual posts in a thread. I will limit myself to this single post as I have nothing to add one way or another and don't care (including this totally wasted effort).
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,945
    edited April 2009
    steveinaz wrote: »
    In Bens defense, has anyone said something interesting? :D
    Not yet.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Polkitup2
    Polkitup2 Posts: 1,640
    edited April 2009
    I was here - Polkitup2 - 2009
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  • mrbigbluelight
    mrbigbluelight Posts: 9,878
    edited April 2009
    Well, here's the way I think that things are shaping up:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIokQ36rbA
    Sal Palooza
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited April 2009
    mrbigbluelight wrote: »
    Well, here's the way I think that things are shaping up:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUIokQ36rbA

    Was that Cat 5 or Cat 5e ???? :D
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
    edited April 2009
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Was that Cat 5 or Cat 5e ???? :D

    LOL very good:D Cat 5 e enhanced with extra twists
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited April 2009
    seafire wrote: »
    LOL very good:D Cat 5 e enhanced with extra twists
    +1. Thank God for humor!
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited April 2009
    I have both cat5 and cat6 cables. I just found out that cat5 has solid wires and cat6 has stranded wires. Which one will make better speaker cable?
    Living room
    Speakers: McIntosh XR100 Fronts, LSIM707 Fronts, LSIM 706 Center, LSIM 703 Surrounds, LSi/FX Surround backs.
    Player: Oppo 95.
    Amps: Bryston 4B SST, B&K Ref 200.7 S2.
    Pres: B&K Ref 50 S2, Paraound P5.
    Subs: Dual Rythmik F15HP subs.

    Man Cave
    Speakers: Martin Logan Vistas.
    Player: OPPO 105.
    Preamp: B&K Ref 50 S2.
    Amp: B&K Ref 125.2 S2
    Sub: Rythmik F12.
    Sub management: SMS-1.
    Headphones: HD800, HD380, RS220, SRH-1840. Headphone amp: Woo WA2.
    Room treatment: GIK Room Kit #1.
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