Spearker cables..fact or fiction?
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The problem is that you think we just throw our money around. We don't. I haven't lost any money in any ICs or speaker cables that I've bought used, that I resold after evaluating them in MY system. Unless of course you want to count the one's I've Karma'd or gave to other members as gifts. We are a frugal bunch for the most part and don't WASTE money very often on audio gear that doesn't work.
There's also Audiogon.com, very reputable, imo.
and polkaudio.com's Flea Market which is VERY safe. There are cables in there on an almost daily basis for fractions of MSRP."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE" -
Ok point taken.Like I mentioned above certain things are much easier in the US.You have a huge retail market so there is always some good stuff floating around.In other parts of the world it's not that easy and if someone has good cable they tend to hold on to it.Good cable costs a fortune out here:eek:
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Several days ago you said all this cable stuff was BS in your 25 years of experience.
READ KEIKO READ
i SAID MOST NOT ALL
EDIT And I will stick to that statement because there is also BS product going around.Is it not on this forum that Monster Cable is constantly bashed by amongst others yourself? -
As you prefer, most. Specify?
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Oh yes I do.But I prefer to share them with people that will appreciate my experience not like certain members on the forum:rolleyes:
Several days ago you said all this cable stuff was BS in your 25 years of experience.
Care to specify exactly what your convictions are again? You keep going back and forth. Certainly with 25 years experience and all your vast knowledge of hi-fi you have some conclusions.
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Don't care if its trick or not.Dont want to share ..you don':cool:t deserve itIt's not a trick question. Relatively simple. All those years of experience, c'mon. This is your chance. Enlighten us.
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YAWWWN It's only in your little insipid mind that you are seeing this.No don't let your imagination run away with ...hmmm edit insipid mind =flat boring no imagination:D:D:DDon't do it for me then. Please, share openly with deserving CP members. I'm sure they're all waiting for you to enlighten them with so much blinding knowledge. :rolleyes: :cool:
BTW...It's humorous watching you go back & forth post editing and switching feet. Don't fall down now.
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Hey Keiko
I see your are a self proclaimed SPACE CADDET from Andromeda
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The question is, do you really think anyone cares what you think?
My first impression was correct.
Why are you still trolling here? :rolleyes:
Oh my the mentality level gets me.DUH why am I still trolling here.Now just what is it that you are doing?Say what?? DUH:cool:
Tell me is it in your drinking water?
Inherit a bad gene?
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I see you are a self proclaimed SPACE CADET from Andromeda. Nice Suites you.
Fixed another one for ya. And thanks!
I'm going to put you back in the box with JVC and C3P0 now. It may be awhile before I let you out again, but hey, thanks for the laughs. It's been fun watching you dig yourself into it deeper.
Aloha
Sorry never proclaimed to be a star typist I make lots of typo mistakes so what! I see many from others but dont have a minority and inferiority complex as to have to point it out to them:rolleyes: -
Very basic set-ups so far...
Techno
I have a fairly nice Yamaha receiver w/Energy C-3's in my patio rig. FWIW, I cannot notice cable changes on that system, so I use standard 14awg speaker wire, and some IC's from monoprice. I suspect its because the limited resolution of the system. Add to that, placement is far from ideal (speakers up high), etc. Another factor is that I listen to this system casually; I don't pick it apart like I do my main system.
Bottom line, Once you move up to more revealing equipment, you will likely notice changes in cables.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Source: Rotel CD14MkII CD Player - Speakers: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
Temptation overwhelmed me.
I promise no more trolling here.
My cable has been terminated terminated...
More than three decades ago, scientists pursued the then-radical idea of implanting tiny electronic hearing devices in the inner ear to help profoundly deaf people. An even bolder alternative that promised superior results - implanting a device directly in the auditory nerve - was set aside as too difficult, given the technology of the day.
Now, however, scientists have shown that it's possible to implant a tiny, ultra-thin electrode array in the auditory nerve that can successfully transmit a wide range of sounds to the brain. The studies took place at the University of Michigan Kresge Hearing Research Institute.
Perhaps this will solve the cable issue.....
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I have a solution that is almost reality for the audio enthusiast. We need to set up a "doctors" office for mapping the brain of audiophiles and others that are interested We can go in, get our brains mapped and then use the auditory data from it for this "cable" debate. Just load YOUR personal data from the test into a computer and then you are ready to begin. Go get those new cables, hook em' up, and then just run a program from your pc to analyze how they will sound to you while you are at work. Upon returning home the software will give you a detailed rundown of why. No need for those long listening sessions since this software can simulate a day in a few seconds. After a year or so there could be a national database of cable info. that one could access and after plugging in your "brain" data get back results for cable that you would like. No more trial and error anymore.
http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22339/?a=f
http://cordis.europa.eu/ictresults/index.cfm/section/news/tpl/article/BrowsingType/Features/ID/90451 -
Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Source: Rotel CD14MkII CD Player - Speakers: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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You guys take this stuff far too seriously. Everyone who has a hobby, a passion, loves to take it to the 'nth degree--it's what we do. You are so into it, you want to ensure you are eeking out every last drop of performance. What's to debate? Either you are into hi-fi at that level, or you're not.
Example; Bev & I recently joined the "Quad nation" of ATV'ers after years of being motorcyclist. I go to a popular forum (Nyroc) to get my learn on...what do I see but a bunch of quad geeks totally re-building what I consider a fine machine out of the box. Why do they do this? Why do they spend all this money on an already highly regarded machine?
Because they can, and it's what they love. It's just that simple. Are generic cables fine? Sure they are; but if & when you're ready to kick it up a notch, you might want to experiment.
There's probably a million other anologies relating to photography, art, firearms, fishing, hunting, cars, trucks, etc; whatever your passion(s) may be.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Source: Rotel CD14MkII CD Player - Speakers: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
Hey guys. I've been following this one from the get go. Last night I embarked on an exhaustive effort to search the web for a solution, and I believe I've struck gold. I found this online "cable recommender" where you simply enter all of your parameters, to include room size, shape, speaker and receiver/amp model (and serial number too, in some cases), as well as the length of your required cable runs. You also tell it how much you want to spend. It then spits out a recommendation for cables that are best suited for your particular system. For a modest fee, it will even send you plans for building your own optimal cables, often for just pennies on the dollar. It's awesome!!!
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All very true;)You guys take this stuff far too seriously. Everyone who has a hobby, a passion, loves to take it to the 'nth degree--it's what we do. You are so into it, you want to ensure you are eeking out every last drop of performance. What's to debate? Either you are into hi-fi at that level, or you're not.
Example; Bev & I recently joined the "Quad nation" of ATV'ers after years of being motorcyclist. I go to a popular forum (Nyroc) to get my learn on...what do I see but a bunch of quad geeks totally re-building what I consider a fine machine out of the box. Why do they do this? Why do they spend all this money on an already highly regarded machine?
Because they can, and it's what they love. It's just that simple. Are generic cables fine? Sure they are; but if & when you're ready to kick it up a notch, you might want to experiment.
There's probably a million other anologies relating to photography, art, firearms, fishing, hunting, cars, trucks, etc; whatever your passion(s) may be. -
There is no need to call on Polk business for the forum anyway as there is a very convenient button on the left to report any disrecpectfull post however, we have to realize that one shouldn't reply to such post in the first place (see forum rule in that matter)True which is why I didn't make the call.Changed my diapers back up and bouncing again:D DARE TO SOAR:
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+1... Unless I really feel like experimenting, I feel time is money and realize I wouldn't be gaining/saving any by spending that much time creating my own cables.How long do you think it would take one man to make an exact copy of VH's braided Cat5 in lets say a 10 ft pr?
I know that when I'm working, my time is worth about $35-40/hr. Several of these fellas make a lot more per hour than I'll ever see. Do the math, they ain't that cheap.
Most here would rather buy some PROVEN, solidly built cables from an established, reputable cable manufacturer than spend their free time away from their family and friends braiding some cables that are questionably "equal too" what they can get used and are aesthetically pleasing to the eye.
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+++++++++++++++++++++++1! The discussion was starting to be somewhat positive, sharing, agree to disagree BUT NOW, THE KIDS BABBLING HAS STARTED ALL OVER! WOULD THERE BE SOME THAT'S WISE AND MATURE ENOUGH TO IGNORE THE TROLLING?????????????? IGNORE THE **** AND THE **** WILL FADE AWAY! FEED IT AND IT WILL STICK?? ANY ADULTS HEARING THIS WILL ACT ACCORDINGLY!S
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Is it appropriate to provide the link on this discussion? If so, why don't you provide the info for all to see on this forum?mdaudioguy wrote: »Hey guys. I've been following this one from the get go. Last night I embarked on an exhaustive effort to search the web for a solution, and I believe I've struck gold. I found this online "cable recommender" where you simply enter all of your parameters, to include room size, shape, speaker and receiver/amp model (and serial number too, in some cases), as well as the length of your required cable runs. You also tell it how much you want to spend. It then spits out a recommendation for cables that are best suited for your particular system. For a modest fee, it will even send you plans for building your own optimal cables, often for just pennies on the dollar. It's awesome!!!
PM me if you want more info.:)DARE TO SOAR:
Your attitude, almost always determine your altitude in life -
+++++++++++++++++++++++1! The discussion was starting to be somewhat positive, sharing, agree to disagree BUT NOW, THE KIDS BABBLING HAS STARTED ALL OVER! WOULD THERE BE SOME THAT'S WISE AND MATURE ENOUGH TO IGNORE THE TROLLING?????????????? IGNORE THE **** AND THE **** WILL FADE AWAY! FEED IT AND IT WILL STICK?? ANY ADULTS HEARING THIS WILL ACT ACCORDINGLY!
Cheers
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This thing has a life of it's own now, just like that other thread that troll Ricardo started.;):D:p"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE" -
+++++++++++++++++++++++1! The discussion was starting to be somewhat positive, sharing, agree to disagree BUT NOW, THE KIDS BABBLING HAS STARTED ALL OVER! WOULD THERE BE SOME THAT'S WISE AND MATURE ENOUGH TO IGNORE THE TROLLING?????????????? IGNORE THE **** AND THE **** WILL FADE AWAY! FEED IT AND IT WILL STICK?? ANY ADULTS HEARING THIS WILL ACT ACCORDINGLY!
Cheers
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The Yamaha receiver is to stay no matter what as it is the brand I prefer (personal choice). The smallish Polk speaker were chosen for HT purpose as they are not bulky and once the room is finally completed will also look good.Techno
I have a fairly nice Yamaha receiver w/Energy C-3's in my patio rig. FWIW, I cannot notice cable changes on that system, so I use standard 14awg speaker wire, and some IC's from monoprice. I suspect its because the limited resolution of the system. Add to that, placement is far from ideal (speakers up high), etc. Another factor is that I listen to this system casually; I don't pick it apart like I do my main system.
Bottom line, Once you move up to more revealing equipment, you will likely notice changes in cables.
Now, music wise, since Polk doesn't seem to provide for commercial/proffessional speakers (which I also want for DG purpose); my dream is to acquire a pair of powered QSC speakers. Last Xmas I tested the 82s (4 of them) with QSC amps (2 of them) for our family gatter but unfortunately the bass was horrible, I had to tweek the lows with my mixer in order to get half decent results. Bottom line, they are great for voice but very weak for music (small 8" drivers). This is unfortunate as they (a pair) would have been a good esthetic match with the polished aluminum casing of the RM series (and also innexpensive/affordable)(I wonder if HE cabling could improve the frequency response??). Right now, I have my eyes on the QSC HPR122i. Since this is using balanced XLR cablings (however, very but very expensive), I wonder if you can provide meat why you would think High End I/Cs and or cabling would be of an advantage to the typical interconnects I presently have and normal proffessional XLR cabling?
I am very fortunate to audition the QSC HPR122i in my daily work and the bass is so warm and overwhelming :cool: (that would mean bye bye little stand alone subwoofer! No comparision), I'd be curious to hear how HE I/Cs and cabling could improve such speakers? I don't recall the user name but in a different discussion he mentioned an audio/video salon exposition this weekend in Montreal. I intend to try make it and hopefully they'll have some of those HE cables for me to look at as this is picking my curiosity as to why so many on this forum swears by them!
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I suppose 2+2 does equal 4;)
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You don't have to have professional equipment to hear differences. Just experiment with what's available. I'm an old school Yammie fan, and had many Yamaha pieces in the early 80's. Love their stuff. They were always waay ahead of the other Japanese manufacturers in build quality/attention to detail.
As to why different cables might show differences; probably due to different topolgies, materials, connectors, etc. Impedance matching can also be a factor as RCA analog inputs are all over the map. XLR is a tighter specified 110ohm topology--much like digital's 75 ohm specification.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Source: Rotel CD14MkII CD Player - Speakers: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
+++++++++++++++++++++++1! The discussion was starting to be somewhat positive, sharing, agree to disagree BUT NOW, THE KIDS BABBLING HAS STARTED ALL OVER! WOULD THERE BE SOME THAT'S WISE AND MATURE ENOUGH TO IGNORE THE TROLLING?????????????? IGNORE THE **** AND THE **** WILL FADE AWAY! FEED IT AND IT WILL STICK?? ANY ADULTS HEARING THIS WILL ACT ACCORDINGLY!
Cheers
You might follow your own advice there. By telling everyone to ignore the ****, you are, in fact, acknowledging and contributing to the ****.The nirvana inducer-
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