Spearker cables..fact or fiction?
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Well the above statement seems to be applicable to you too.Where did I say that I will not respond.Just what gives others the right to name call and slander.Surely I have the right to respond although I must admit that I'M growing weary of this.:DIf my exchange with DK convinced you that I'm a BS artist then be it so.No skin off my backhearingimpared wrote: »You mean like this one;
Not only are you a hypocrite you are a BS artist as proven by DarqueKnight. -
Just what gives others the right to name call and slander.
You seem to be the only one with that "right." -
I will be the first to admit that my threat to call POLK was impulsive and childish.
However I can rest assured that I am in good company in terms off childish behaviour by the nature and quality of the comments directed at me.
All is fair in love and war;) -
And here I thought Seabiscuit was done making a fool of himself/herself.
I was wrong.:rolleyes:The nirvana inducer-
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Give it up will you be done with me and move on.The feeling is mutual:cool:hearingimpared wrote: »You seem to be the only one with that "right." -
I will be the first to admit that my threat to call POLK was impulsive and childish.
However I can rest assured that I am in good company in terms off childish behaviour by the nature and quality of the comments directed at me.
All is fair in love and war;)
Open mouth, insert foot. -
Give it up will you . Be done with me and move on.The feeling is mutual
Ditto for you too Comfortablycurt -
Gee my ignore list is growing longer by the minute:)
What I find very interesting is how the link that Technokid put up about cat 5 is conveniently ignored.I wonder why?:) -
Give it up will you . Be done with me and move on.The feeling is mutual
Ditto for you too Comfortablycurt
Ditto for you too Seabiscuit. You keep telling everyone else to move on. Why don't you move on?
You've already made yourself look like a complete idiot. Since you joined this forum about 2 weeks ago, your over 200 posts have been almost entirely in this thread. They've really made you look like an idiot. You haven't given any quality information or evidence to prove your points, despite how much you might think you have.
All you've really done here is spew your PERSONAL beliefs around, and try to convince everyone else on the idea that your PERSONAL beliefs are fact. They aren't. You've repeated the same "evidence" over and over and over and over again...and none of it is solid evidence, and you have absolutely nothing to back it up. "My friend thinks that he might possibly remember us maybe testing this specific thing this certain way, but he's not sure". Yeah...that's really solid proof there.:rolleyes:Gee my ignore list is growing longer by the minute:)
Yeah, that's a good thing. That's the only way you're ever going to read any posts without being insulted here. You've built such a great reputation for yourself.The nirvana inducer-
APC H10 Power Conditioner
Marantz UD5005 universal player
Parasound Halo P5 preamp
Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's -
Good call Mike. The office might be able to help him out.
Seabiscuit- Polk's CS may be able to help you add everyone on the forum to your ignore list all at once. At the rate you're going here, you're not going to have to many friends around here, aside from a couple of the other idiots we've got on board.
They might be able to recommend a good brand of diapers for you too. It seems like you're getting a lot of leakage out of your current ones, judging by all the crap you're spewing out.
Side note-Seabiscuits post per day rating is HIGHER THAN MINE!!!:eek::eek::eek: How is that even possible? The nirvana inducer-
APC H10 Power Conditioner
Marantz UD5005 universal player
Parasound Halo P5 preamp
Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's -
comfortablycurt wrote: »Ditto for you too Seabiscuit. You keep telling everyone else to move on. Why don't you move on? You've already made yourself look like a complete idiot. Since you joined this forum about 2 weeks ago, your over 200 posts have been almost entirely in this thread. They've really made you look like an idiot. You haven't given any quality information or evidence to prove your points, despite how much you might think you have.
All you've really done here is spew your PERSONAL beliefs around, and try to convince everyone else on the idea that your PERSONAL beliefs are fact. They aren't. You've repeated the same "evidence" over and over and over and over again...and none of it is solid evidence, and you have absolutely nothing to back it up. "My friend thinks that he might possibly remember us maybe testing this specific thing this certain way, but he's not sure". Yeah...that's really solid proof there.:rolleyes:
Yeah, that's a good thing. That's the only way you're ever going to read any posts without being insulted here. You've built such a great reputation for yourself.
Reading back I wonder when last some of you saw the sun shine?so deeply are you crawled up each other.The ONLY person that came to this thread with substance was DK!.The rest of you trollers only had negative comments without ANY SUBSTANCE.Although DK came with some evidence it was actually more to do with power cable than speaker cable.He then asked me some questions which I answered(although he claims I avoided some issues) its all here in the thread to see and ultimately the truth will prevail.I merely pointed out that there are other alternatives to manufactured costly speaker cable.Further it is my opinion that when you get to a certain level of quality, differences become so negligible of which I was witness to in our own blindfold tests.These are my findings and my opinions so what's up with that.Many shot me down but did not have the ability to reason why.When Technokid posted a link to someone else's link on cat 5 cable including evaluation tests and scientific background on the subject it is convenietly ignored.Further more I have no financial gain from any of my opinions here, unlike others.So my views are unbiased in my opinion.
Challenging conventional thinking is something I enjoy.With it comes ridicule from the masses.So what! I really don't care.At least I go to bed at night knowing that I do not live my life with horse blinders on. And that my friend works for me;).So carry on in your merry ways.TO EACH HIS OWN;)
Extract from the weblink that Technokid supplied:"Although I now use a new >DIY VH Audio speaker cable in my current system, the CAT 5 cables described above were among the best speaker cables I ever used. They bested Kimber 8TC, AQ Midnight, and even gave the expensive XLO's a run for their money (the XLO's were better, but not by the margin that the price would indicate)" -
Reading back I wonder when last some of you saw the sun shine?so deeply are you crawled up each other.The ONLY person that came to this thread with substance was DK!.The rest of you trollers only had negative comments without ANY SUBSTANCE.Although DK came with some evidence it was actually more to do with power cable than speaker cable.He then asked me some questions which I answered(although he claims I avoided some issues) its all here in the thread to see and ultimately the truth will prevail.I merely pointed out that there are other alternatives to manufactured costly speaker cable.Further it is my opinion that when you get to a certain level of quality, differences become so negligible of which I was witness to in our own blindfold tests.These are my findings and my opinions so what's up with that.Many shot me down but did not have the ability to reason why.When Technokid posted a link to someone else's link on cat 5 cable including evaluation tests and scientific background on the subject it is convenietly ignored.Further more I have no financial gain from any of my opinions here, unlike others.So my views are unbiased in my opinion.
Challenging conventional thinking is something I enjoy.With it comes ridicule from the masses.So what I really don't care.At least I go to bed at night knowing that I do not live life with horse blinders on. And that my friend works for me;).So carry on in your merry ways.TO EACH HIS OWN
I highlighted the key words there. This is a very opinionated subject. Nobody is arguing the fact that you can use Cat5 as speaker cable. It is a lower cost alternative that works very well for some people. Not everybody though.
As you stated, in your opinion, with some cables the differences get so small that it's negligible. Just because it's negligible to you, doesn't mean that it is to everyone else. Some people enjoy squeezing every last little bit out of their system. This is a hobby ya know, just like any other hobby. People that are seriously into cars will spend hours upon hours of tuning and invest a lot of money into squeezing every last bit of power out of the car. A whole bunch of little tweaks that each get you an extra 2-3 horsepower and all of a sudden you've got an extra 30 horsepower. The same is true in audio. A little tweak here, and a little tweak there can make all the difference. That extra 30 horsepower could make the difference between winning and losing.
Everyone isn't necessarily worried about the fact that they could get "close" with something that costs much less. Close but no cigar as the saying goes. That extra 1% improvement in the system could provide someone with 100% more enjoyment of their system. If there is an improvement, it's money well spent.The nirvana inducer-
APC H10 Power Conditioner
Marantz UD5005 universal player
Parasound Halo P5 preamp
Parasound HCA-1200II power amp
PolkAudio LSi9's/PolkAudio SDA 2A's/PolkAudio Monitor 7A's
Audioquest Speaker Cables and IC's -
How long do you think it would take one man to make an exact copy of VH's braided Cat5 in lets say a 10 ft pr?
I know that when I'm working, my time is worth about $35-40/hr. Several of these fellas make a lot more per hour than I'll ever see. Do the math, they ain't that cheap.
Most here would rather buy some PROVEN, solidly built cables from an established, reputable cable manufacturer than spend their free time away from their family and friends braiding some cables that are questionably "equal too" what they can get used and are aesthetically pleasing to the eye.
He shoots, he scores!!!"SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE" -
Ok point taken on that one.Bear in mind though that we are talking about a point here.At which point does the new cable exceed that? There is a quality point achieved with other cable or cat 5 for that matter.Yes I agree there are better cables out there, but many may have cable that is actually inferior to that that one can achieve with cat 5 and may not have the money to directly upgrade to that that is superior;)
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True good point but again you said "MOST'' and that is not all.I for one would never bother with the breading.I feel That I have achieved very good results as per my design and it allows for specific tuning of a system.I suppose if I was living in the ''BIG EASY" I would opt for bought cables.Someone previously ridiculed me about not using Ebay.I have had only bad experiences on Evilbay so no that is not an optionHow long do you think it would take one man to make an exact copy of VH's braided Cat5 in lets say a 10 ft pr?
I know that when I'm working, my time is worth about $35-40/hr. Several of these fellas make a lot more per hour than I'll ever see. Do the math, they ain't that cheap.
Most here would rather buy some PROVEN, solidly built cables from an established, reputable cable manufacturer than spend their free time away from their family and friends braiding some cables that are questionably "equal too" what they can get used and are aesthetically pleasing to the eye.
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The problem is that you think we just throw our money around. We don't. I haven't lost any money in any ICs or speaker cables that I've bought used, that I resold after evaluating them in MY system. Unless of course you want to count the one's I've Karma'd or gave to other members as gifts. We are a frugal bunch for the most part and don't WASTE money very often on audio gear that doesn't work.
There's also Audiogon.com, very reputable, imo.
and polkaudio.com's Flea Market which is VERY safe. There are cables in there on an almost daily basis for fractions of MSRP."SOME PEOPLE CALL ME MAURICE,
CAUSE I SPEAK OF THE POMPITIOUS OF LOVE" -
Ok point taken.Like I mentioned above certain things are much easier in the US.You have a huge retail market so there is always some good stuff floating around.In other parts of the world it's not that easy and if someone has good cable they tend to hold on to it.Good cable costs a fortune out here:eek:
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Several days ago you said all this cable stuff was BS in your 25 years of experience.
READ KEIKO READ
i SAID MOST NOT ALL
EDIT And I will stick to that statement because there is also BS product going around.Is it not on this forum that Monster Cable is constantly bashed by amongst others yourself? -
As you prefer, most. Specify?
Read above and no you are not going to lead me down that road.Nice try no cigar;) -
Oh yes I do.But I prefer to share them with people that will appreciate my experience not like certain members on the forum:rolleyes:
Several days ago you said all this cable stuff was BS in your 25 years of experience.
Care to specify exactly what your convictions are again? You keep going back and forth. Certainly with 25 years experience and all your vast knowledge of hi-fi you have some conclusions.
Again no cigar buddy -
Don't care if its trick or not.Dont want to share ..you don':cool:t deserve itIt's not a trick question. Relatively simple. All those years of experience, c'mon. This is your chance. Enlighten us. -
YAWWWN It's only in your little insipid mind that you are seeing this.No don't let your imagination run away with ...hmmm edit insipid mind =flat boring no imagination:D:D:DDon't do it for me then. Please, share openly with deserving CP members. I'm sure they're all waiting for you to enlighten them with so much blinding knowledge. :rolleyes: :cool:
BTW...It's humorous watching you go back & forth post editing and switching feet. Don't fall down now.
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Hey Keiko
I see your are a self proclaimed SPACE CADDET from Andromeda
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The question is, do you really think anyone cares what you think?
My first impression was correct.
Why are you still trolling here? :rolleyes:
Oh my the mentality level gets me.DUH why am I still trolling here.Now just what is it that you are doing?Say what?? DUH:cool:
Tell me is it in your drinking water?
Inherit a bad gene?
Smoking something we should know of? -
I see you are a self proclaimed SPACE CADET from Andromeda. Nice Suites you.
Fixed another one for ya. And thanks!
I'm going to put you back in the box with JVC and C3P0 now. It may be awhile before I let you out again, but hey, thanks for the laughs. It's been fun watching you dig yourself into it deeper.
Aloha
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Very basic set-ups so far...
Techno
I have a fairly nice Yamaha receiver w/Energy C-3's in my patio rig. FWIW, I cannot notice cable changes on that system, so I use standard 14awg speaker wire, and some IC's from monoprice. I suspect its because the limited resolution of the system. Add to that, placement is far from ideal (speakers up high), etc. Another factor is that I listen to this system casually; I don't pick it apart like I do my main system.
Bottom line, Once you move up to more revealing equipment, you will likely notice changes in cables.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2 -
Temptation overwhelmed me.
I promise no more trolling here.
My cable has been terminated terminated...
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Perhaps this will solve the cable issue.....
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I have a solution that is almost reality for the audio enthusiast. We need to set up a "doctors" office for mapping the brain of audiophiles and others that are interested We can go in, get our brains mapped and then use the auditory data from it for this "cable" debate. Just load YOUR personal data from the test into a computer and then you are ready to begin. Go get those new cables, hook em' up, and then just run a program from your pc to analyze how they will sound to you while you are at work. Upon returning home the software will give you a detailed rundown of why. No need for those long listening sessions since this software can simulate a day in a few seconds. After a year or so there could be a national database of cable info. that one could access and after plugging in your "brain" data get back results for cable that you would like. No more trial and error anymore.
http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22339/?a=f
http://cordis.europa.eu/ictresults/index.cfm/section/news/tpl/article/BrowsingType/Features/ID/90451 -
Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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