Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

heiney9

Seafire,

So how did that conversation go with Polk HQ this morning? Just wondering if you were able to reslove anything?

hearingimpared

This thread has become very civilized since a certain party stopped posting in it.

steveinaz

Because you can't argue with reason, AND the ignore button works very well to that end.

megasat16

All Polkies, Unite!

Will you all give this thread a rest and let it die in peace?

For all I care, I am an electronics engineer and experimented all kinds of cables and wires and looked through Oscilloscope and all kinds of cable testers when I was in the school. Those who think cables are the same need to be going back to school again as well as those who think $10000 cables are any better than a well designed and researched $100 needs to be attending the school again.

This cable industry is so twisted with the truth and the hypes so no one can even think about single handedly picking out what cable is perfoming less than the other. There'll always be debates and disagreements. So, let it rest and use whatever you want that works for you.

P.S. I know there are many other folks who knows exactly what this is about and keeping quiet because it's not worth posting a **** in this thread. So, in respect to those who knows, I consider this is the only post I should made in this thread. If you disagree, please feel free to do so and post anything you like but I am not going to reply any further.

Flash21

Lighten up, Francis.

I'm not taking this thread seriously, hopefully you aren't either.

TECHNOKID

Mutual respect is a 2-way street. I may not agree with your opinion, but I respect the fact that you are entitled to one.

That is the way I feel too and I am open to a good debate where I could learn... As I pointed out, I don't mind if someone can prove too me that I am wrong as I definitely can learn from it! I did enjoy what DK had to provide as info and took the time to read his review as it keeps openess to the other side of the fence thus providing healthy debate as one is open and listening to one's position and reasonning.

TECHNOKID

For all I care, I am an electronics engineer and experimented all kinds of cables and wires and looked through Oscilloscope and all kinds of cable testers when I was in the school.

Hummm, sad you are not willing to contribute by sharing your knowledge I guess if you feel this is a dead horse...

steveinaz

Techno
What are running for IC's right now? What is your setup?

treitz3

bobt

My point was just what Megasat said..and please lets just put this to rest.

treitz3

comfortablycurt

Ya know...everytime you make a post in here saying "let's put this to rest", all you're doing is just bumping this thread back up to the top.

If you want to "put it to rest", just stop posting in it. Period. That's all you need to do.;)

steveinaz

I agree...OH DAMMIT, I just did it again!

TECHNOKID

steveinaz wrote: »

Techno
What are running for IC's right now? What is your setup?

Very basic set-ups so far... I've started toying with the Polk RM20 and PSW110... I used a (nearly full new) roll of 10 gage that came from my repair shop when I closed it... I then bought a Polk 42" surroundbar to toy/test with as the technology got me very curious (use the original cable assembly provided by Polk)... I now own 6 RM30s which will actually used in my HT room, mostly movies since I feel the speakers are not the best for music and since I still use my old 3 way set-up upstairs for music.

Interconnects, I never like to use the cheap stuff that comes with gear but I use low priced coax RCA (mind you, I am not too sure of their thrue value since I bought them from my business supplier that was closing business at the time... maybe real price about $60cdn in 2000???) If you think you are cheap, I have to be the cheapest of all

I use a Yamaha entry level HTR-6080 to drive my toys (I really wanted the pre-outs but didn't really want to pay HIGH END pricing though)... Matter of fact, ALL gear was acquired during sales (even the Polks audio toys).

I was even thinking of using my RG59 (mostly full roll) to do my own RCAs interconnect since it isn't usable for video anymore since I use HDMI to DVI (monoprice). I also have a cheap set of wirelogic (85$cdn) audio and video interconnect that I bought originally for my projector... blue covering mesh cloth gold plated but nothing to go crazy about but honestly work fine. As you can see, even if we were to consider HIGH END cables, in my opinion it would be overkill for the humble set-up that I have. Since I now use my HD DVD players for music also in the basement, it is hooked-up through the receiver HDMI anyway.

One thing to consider, I like to take some gear on the road to get family members to enjoy (IE: summer deck by the pool outdoor movies) thus the reason for the smaller speakers (RM20s). With the spring weather coming, I stopped the work on the basement HT room enlargement to start the outdoor fun. As I ponited out, my technical bacground will not get off my skin and I move stuff around, buy some more to toy but I can not afford HIGH pricing. The idea, I normally buy what I can afford to pay back within a month latest (no mortgaging on any electronics).

Since I have many good old receivers at hand (heritage of my former business ) I intend to mix and match the good old receivers to my humble system to create a baby museum of my previous good old era... Keep in mind none of this is HIGH end but ratter mainly entry level (what I could at the time afford as a average income parent).

treitz3 puts the words ("dead horse") into live pictures :cool:

TECHNOKID

comfortablycurt wrote: »

Ya know...everytime you make a post in here saying "let's put this to rest", all you're doing is just bumping this thread back up to the top.

If you want to "put it to rest", just stop posting in it. Period. That's all you need to do.;)

If the post is casual and civil, nothing wrong... He asked a legitimate question that deserve an honest answer without going back in the BIG debate...

hearingimpared

C3PO sighting.

inspiredsports

heiney9 wrote: »

Seafire,

So how did that conversation go with Polk HQ this morning? Just wondering if you were able to reslove anything?

Seafire, also waiting for more than a day now, I really would like to see if your Cat 5 designs would work for me. Please post them. Second request. I can't get my ears on them if you won't share.

sucks2beme

TECHNOKID wrote: »

Very basic set-ups so far... :

Nothing wrong with that. A cheap system doesn't need good cables.
It needs appropriate cables. But beware. That's how most of us started.
After a couple rounds of upgrades.................:eek:

seafire

TECHNOKID wrote: »

Ah! I knew I seen this before, took me a while to dig this through old discussions. I wouldn't have the patience to do such nor the will as I didn't think it be worthwhile. However, the article is very interesting.

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

Thank you technokid.I have stopped posting on this thread but what is interesting to me is the following:although I dont braid my wires it shows that I do have a point because others have used it too and have had good results with it.The author of this thread now manufactures hi end cable but still says this is a very good sounding cable that runs with and in some cases kicks hi end cables butt.Nothing wrong with my ears:D.
Just glad I'm not blind as a mole like some of the sheep on this forum;)

seafire

inspiredsports wrote: »

Seafire, also waiting for more than a day now, I really would like to see if your Cat 5 designs would work for me. Please post them. Second request. I can't get my ears on them if you won't share.

Hi scroll back i did post some designs and how to customize them for your own system.Techonokid just pointed me too a site were someone else tried cat 5 with good results.However I do not braid mine so some interesting variations.See the link in technokids post;)

[Deleted User]

treitz3 wrote: »

Who the F?CK is this dude in black and white beating this poor dead horse! Animal Mother F?CKIN Cruelty. Where's he at? I want to find him and have a walk down with our backs against one another and guns in holster. Count me down someone.

Halen

Fongolio

seafire wrote: »

I will call Polk Audio today and ask them to review this thread and decide.

I'm mildly curious as to how that conversation went.

comfortablycurt

TECHNOKID wrote: »

If the post is casual and civil, nothing wrong... He asked a legitimate question that deserve an honest answer without going back in the BIG debate...

Those weren't the posts I was referring to. I was referring to the posts that simply said to "put this thread to rest". I was pointing out that by making a post in this thread telling everyone to put this thread to rest, they aren't really helping "put it to rest". They're actually helping to keep it awake.

If you think any constructive conversation is going to come out of this thread at this point...wow...think again.;)


edit-Damn! I just realized how many tags there were for this thread...lol

ND13

Fongolio wrote: »

I'm mildly curious as to how that conversation went.

They put him on permahold.:D

[Deleted User]

I will get back on track here. I started out not believing that speaker wires make any form on contribution in the search of audio bliss. Speaker wires were at most a form of connecting my speakers to my equipment. I had all kinds of self convictions about the limitations of wires, such as what about the inside of speaker cabinets and so forth.

All that I know is that it does not take an Engineer or whatever level of personal achievement one may have to hear a difference. Mathematically or scientifically nothing can be proven, not a damn thing. Just what is accepted for the time being. The fact is this and simple as this, either you hear or you dont hear a difference. One civil and simple answer to solve the problem is to get together with those that hears the difference and learn from them. If after all the experimentation and you still do not hear a difference, then that is that. Feel good that you do not hear a difference, less money you need to spend. By the same token, if you hear a difference, get ready for a new audio budget.

I went down the road already about differences in wires and what not. I am neutral today. I am jealous of those that hears a difference, maybe I lack the knowledge of synergy of all the components. But I am open to be converted, and I want to know how to create that synergy. I am here to learn.

I am in Dallas and willing to meet anyone in the area to dissect this. The thing is, you have to be open minded and willing. Personal insults will never get positive results, needless to say get togethers to test the differences. Lighten up everyone, attack the problem not the person.

Halen

Fongolio

halenhoang wrote: »

I will get back on track here. I started out not believing that speaker wires make any form on contribution in the search of audio bliss. Speaker wires were at most a form of connecting my speakers to my equipment. I had all kinds of self convictions about the limitations of wires, such as what about the inside of speaker cabinets and so forth.

All that I know is that it does not take an Engineer or whatever level of personal achievement one may have to hear a difference. Mathematically or scientifically nothing can be proven, not a damn thing. Just what is accepted for the time being. The fact is this and simple as this, either you hear or you dont hear a difference. One civil and simple answer to solve the problem is to get together with those that hears the difference and learn from them. If after all the experimentation and you still do not hear a difference, then that is that. Feel good that you do not hear a difference, less money you need to spend. By the same token, if you hear a difference, get ready for a new audio budget.

I went down the road already about differences in wires and what not. I am neutral today. I am jealous of those that hears a difference, maybe I lack the knowledge of synergy of all the components. But I am open to be converted, and I want to know how to create that synergy. I am here to learn.

I am in Dallas and willing to meet anyone in the area to dissect this. The thing is, you have to be open minded and willing. Personal insults will never get positive results, needless to say get togethers to test the differences. Lighten up everyone, attack the problem not the person.

Halen

This post I applaud. A non-believer open minded enough to say "show me what you believe to be the truth". Outstanding. Way to go Halen. I'd like to be in on that demo myself as I've never heard the real differences myself. But then I've never heard an A/B test with the really good cables. Just like Mulder though "I want to believe".

seafire

Fongolio wrote: »

I'm mildly curious as to how that conversation went.

I decided not to call Polk as it would have been a childish option.Its was 4 am in the morning when my fuse popped and I suppose I said that out of pure frustration .I also made a decision that I was not going to let any childish name calling etc affect me anymore,There are some here on this forum that are nice and open minded and I will share my views and experiences with them;)

mrbigbluelight

Ricardo wrote: »

Nice quote:

http://www.eaglecomtronics.com/Products/Cable_TV_Products/Signal_Conditioning_Products/Cable_Simulators/cable_simulators.html

That was very interesting and enlightening. Nice !

sucks2beme wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that. A cheap system doesn't need good cables.
It needs appropriate cables. But beware. That's how most of us started.
After a couple rounds of upgrades.................:eek:

I'd add, "Appropriate cable or appropriate wire", at least when it comes to a budget system. I like to think of my rig as a "budget system" rather than a "cheap system".


One final note, if I may: there should almost NEVER be a reason to call Polk HQ for any discussions here on the Forum. The justifiable reasons are very, very, very, very few.
If a person finds him/her self calling to complain about getting their feelings hurt, or people being mean, or ..... whatever, than ....... well, maybe it is time for a diaper change.

seafire

mrbigbluelight wrote: »

That was very interesting and enlightening. Nice !





I'd add, "Appropriate cable or appropriate wire", at least when it comes to a budget system. I like to think of my rig as a "budget system" rather than a "cheap system".


One final note, if I may: there should almost NEVER be a reason to call Polk HQ for any discussions here on the Forum. The justifiable reasons are very, very, very, very few.
If a person finds him/her self calling to complain about getting their feelings hurt, or people being mean, or ..... whatever, than ....... well, maybe it is time for a diaper change.

True which is why I didn't make the call.Changed my diapers back up and bouncing again:D

hearingimpared

seafire wrote: »

I also made a decision that I was not going to let any childish name calling etc affect me anymore,

You mean like this one;

seafire wrote: »

Just glad I'm not blind as a mole like some of the sheep on this forum;)

Not only are you a hypocrite you are a BS artist as proven by DarqueKnight.