Speaker cable fable!

naturallight

Sorry..my typeing is really bad....but as far as understanding what i'm saying. Well..from a musicains stand point this makes total sence..to you guys...maybe not so much.

tonyb

So I guess what your saying is.....everything matters, in the chain for the level of SQ you hear out the end ? Where have I heard that before ?

heiney9

Lack of well formed sentence's and random thoughts make sence [sic] only if you are a musician?

The thoughts in your head might make sence [sic] but it's in the translation from hands to keyboard where it's not making any sence [sic].

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cnh

I've been typing since the 8th grade, have several advanced degrees and I'm always "editing" everything I type on this site. And there are STILL occasional spelling mistakes. That's not really an issue here!

cnh

heiney9

tonyb wrote: »

So I guess what your saying is.....everything matters, in the chain for the level of SQ you hear out the end ? Where have I heard that before ?

Yes I believe it does. You are only as good as your weakest link. That said if you have a good foundation upgrading your speaker could well be a better bang for your buck then replacing already competent cables with different ones.

I just don't think you can say "speakers are always the most important". Anymore than you can say an amplifier is the most important.

System performance should be the most important.

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pearsall001

My speaker cable can beat up your speaker cable...take that!! :razz:

naturallight

Well that would really not seem the case. If you have junk speakers, no matter what you throw at the system..how are they going to get any better???
Plus how would your hear it?

audiocr381ve

Everyone here has a different level of involvement in this hobby. Just because you're a car enthusiast doesn't give you the right to tell someone their car is subpar. And vice versa. If you're newer to the hobby and have less experience, respect the guys who do take this thing more serious than you do and have been in your shoes.

RANT: I think it's funny that some people are so sure they know what they're talking about when it comes to piecing together a system to listen to music. They have lost the ability to understand that someone just might think their expensive, well thought-out, system with tubes sounds like ****. Yeah that's right. Your opinion about gear is NOT the gospel truth, no matter how bad **** you think your system sounds. You've arrived, good for you. Drop the attitude and get back to what makes this hobby fun. You'll convert more people to better sound by actually enjoying the hobby and not beating everyone down who may not be where you're at.

heiney9

How is a really good speaker going to sound up to its potential if you are using junk components and cables?

Or are you of the camp that thinks gear is gear and it all sounds pretty much the same? If that's the case, then I can see why you would make such a statement. I am 180* opposite. Everything matters and there are huge differences in sound with all components (amps, pre-amps, source, cables, etc).

Different perspective, different experiences, different goals, different interpretations, different listening ability.

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naturallight

NO, of course good equiment is great. But if you buy a Krell amp to power a set of Yamaha speakers..then yes i think thats a waste.
So what i'm saying is ..Speakers first. The best you can afford...then buy the amps and stuff to bring it to what it should be. Thats all.

heiney9

If that works for you, great. It wouldn't work for me.

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nspindel

Let's just let this thread die a painful death, please! Trolls on internet forums get off on stirring up trouble and getting everyone else to kick the crap out of each other. The trolls, and we know who they are, are sitting back reading all this with a big smiles on their faces. Everyone take a deep breath and back away from your keyboard. This is my last post on this thread. Unless someone puts up another pic of a hottie, in which case all bets are off!

naturallight

OK..well if you buy your equipment beforehand..then the speakers you want, don't play well with your equipment...then what??
Dump the speakers? or change out your equipment?? I'm not saying either way is right or wrong..but would seem easyer to spend a bunch of bucks on the speakers you want..then buy the equipment to run it, when you get the money???

onebadchad

I dont know if you are calling me a "troll" or not, and frankly I dont care. I am not even sure what a troll is. But was just stating my opinion, and I said that in the first post. If everyone wants to fight about it thats not my agenda. As a matter of fact I thought the whole thing was kinda messed up. Its to each there own, you use what you like I use what I like. I have tried many cables, listing these would have been futile. You have your mind made up as I do. I think its a waste of money, My opinion. If you wanna spend a grand on speaker cables, more power to ya. I will never hear your stereo and you will never hear mine. Thanks to the people that actually shared some valuable information, I enjoyed reading.. But as for the "Troll" thing.. I call ****~

nspindel wrote: »

Let's just let this thread die a painful death, please! Trolls on internet forums get off on stirring up trouble and getting everyone else to kick the crap out of each other. The trolls, and we know who they are, are sitting back reading all this with a big smiles on their faces. Everyone take a deep breath and back away from your keyboard. This is my last post on this thread. Unless someone puts up another pic of a hottie, in which case all bets are off!

acmf74

is this the record posts/pages on the heated cable debate?


just asking :redface:

gdb

Something really important......

heiney9

acmf74 wrote: »

is this the record posts/pages on the heated cable debate?


just asking :redface:

Not even close

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steveinaz

IMO, you build your system around your speakers. Your speakers are the final determining factor of your sound, if they are not "right" NOTHING ELSE you do will make it right. If you think it will, you're living in a fools paradise, and prepare to lay out a ton of money tail-chasing.

If I could rewind 37 years, I would put my money into my dream speakers, and get by with other inexpensive components while I slowly upgrade those "lesser" components, one-by-one; as I wasn't born with a silver spoon up my ****. Take it for what it's worth.

What I'm saying is this; in the grand scheme of things---cables are pretty small potatos. There's far more important things to address in a system first. Sure, you want well built, well terminated cables of sound topology/design, but you don't need to go broke buying them.

audiocr381ve

steveinaz wrote: »

IMO, you build your system around your speakers. Your speakers are the final determining factor of your sound, if they are not "right" NOTHING ELSE you do will make it right. If you think it will, you're living in a fools paradise, and prepare to lay out a ton of money tail-chasing.

If I could rewind 37 years, I would put my money into my dream speakers, and get by with other inexpensive components while I slowly upgrade those "lesser" components, one-by-one; as I wasn't born with a silver spoon up my ****. Take it for what it's worth.

+1. Get your car right, worry about the wheels later.

steveinaz

BTW, if I sound a little "holier-than-thou" let me apologize---I'm speaking from my own personal MISTAKES above. Just trying to save the younger audiophiles some pain and money.

halo71

VR3 wrote: »

I use guitar strings for my interconnects, only the best.

Super Slinky's or Dean Markley Blue Ice baby! :cool: Similar to the cable debates. Some guitarist say strings are strings are strings and buy the cheapest they can find. And no matter what can not be convinced otherwise. Oh well....not worth arguing over. But I can hear a difference in sustain and clarity on quality strings as well as speaker cables.

nspindel wrote: »

Does she need a rectifier? YES OR NO?!?!?!?!

Now that is funny!

steveinaz wrote: »

Well, what's the alternative? Reading lab-rat papers, and going with the flow. I'm a REBEL baby!

My Mom says eat spinach, my wife says eat spinach, science tells us to eat spinach, healthcare professionals tell us to eat spinach. I HATE spinach. Am I wrong? LOL

Perhaps you should try organic?

naturallight wrote: »

Sorry..my typeing is really bad....but as far as understanding what i'm saying. Well..from a musicains stand point this makes total sence..to you guys...maybe not so much.

Did you REALLY just say that? Are you drinking this afternoon or what? I've been playing guitar in bands for over 20 years. Poor spelling is poor spelling period! And what you said is about the dumbest thing I have ever read. If you can not spell or put together coherent sentences. That is one thing and that is fine. Maybe some night classes might be a good thing for you. But to say that musicians know exactly what you are saying and elude that non musicians might be dumb to your gibberish? Come on now.

steveinaz

I opened a can of beans once, that didn't make me a farmer. LOL

gdb

halo71 wrote: »

Super Slinky's or Dean Markley Blue Ice baby! :cool: Similar to the cable debates. Some guitarist say strings are strings are strings and buy the cheapest they can find. And no matter what can not be convinced otherwise. Oh well....not worth arguing over. But I can hear a difference in sustain and clarity on quality strings as well as speaker cables.





Now that is funny!





Perhaps you should try organic?





Did you REALLY just say that? Are you drinking this afternoon or what? I've been playing guitar in bands for over 20 years. Poor spelling is poor spelling period! And what you said is about the dumbest thing I have ever read. If you can not spell or put together coherent sentences. That is one thing and that is fine. Maybe some night classes might be a good thing for you. But to say that musicians know exactly what you are saying and elude that non musicians might be dumb to your gibberish? Come on now.

Uh, ya might want to change elude to allude before the edit window closes.

halo71

Well, one little misspelled word I am not gonna worry about.:cheesygrin:

naturallight

Well to be honest....I have alot of good equipment. I have a Jolidia CD, that i have changed tubes in. I have an Adcom pre which i will say is not the best and needs to be updated. Plus Polk SDA's which i have had from new, Polk RTi 12's and an set of old Advents which i have redone.



I have a set of really old Monster cable to run these...it has to be 10 gauge at least. The interconnects are Audioquest stuff.



Now i have tried bigger priced cables..did not float my boat for the money. Are they bad..no, somebody else may think there great. To me..i did not like them or worth the money.



Would I bother to try 2K cables...NO whats the point..they may or may not sound better..but i'm sure not going to spend that type of money on them. For those people that can...fine, if you like them great.



This cable thread is pretty much useless...it comes down to the haves and have nots..if you can't afford to throw 2K at cables. You will think the price is insane..and not care. The people that do..think these cables are better then sliced bread. Are these cables any better....thats up to the person who hears them..nothing more.

If you think there great..fine spend the money..if you don't...then don't spend the money.



Bottom line ..it's up to the person who is spending the money..nobody else!!!!!

pearsall001

Lasareath wrote: »

I have the same 10 Gauge Monster Cable that are like 30 years old and they have beaten speaker cables that cost $1000.00, So I bought $1500.00 speaker cables and I was able to hear a difference.

So with that theory a $2000 pair will sound even better...sheeshhhh!

onebadchad

But only half as good as a $4000 pair

pearsall001 wrote: »

So with that theory a $2000 pair will sound even better...sheeshhhh!

gimpod

Oh great another useless cable thread, what a waste of space and time.

In case anybody hasn't figured it out yet there's those who get it and those who don't and as usual nether side will convince the other that there right.

How do I know cables make a difference? Because I've tried them, Granted not the Hi-End stuff like MIT & the like but Monster, Belden 5000 series Cable (Blue Jean Cable) etc.. Stuff that I can afford.

For me there's only been one bright spot in this whole thread and that's the link and associated links that DarqueKnight posted most of which I had already figured out on my own, An interesting and informative read just the same. Thank you.

Just my $0.02 worth, I'm out before this get's locked.

halo71

No Rick's post weres the bast in dis thrad! <----musicians will understand this! :eek:

dorokusai

Yeah this is as uninteresting as it gets on CP. I'm not sure when it became a crime to like things and not like others. If you believe in cables, awesome and if you don't....equally awesome but how about you realize that no one cares either way. IN a decade of audio forums this is still the most posted debate and still the most worthless read on any forum.

VIVA LA MIT!