Speaker cable fable!

nspindel

Blah blah blah. YES OR NO?!?!?!

heiney9

nspindel wrote: »

Blah blah blah. YES OR NO?!?!?!

What was the question again?

It just illustrates how simple and naive some members are. It's not a yes or no answer, far from it and to simplify it as such shows a complete lack of understanding. Couple that with unwillingness to experiment or even learn about those physical properties shows he's not genuine about his wanting to learn or have a meaningful discussion.

H9

nspindel

heiney9 wrote: »

What was the question again?

Does she need a rectifier? YES OR NO?!?!?!?!

heiney9

Coke bottle type for sure :twisted:

H9

ravaneli

mocking, and patronizing and downright insulting, all the while avoiding a simple question.

you people go to other forums too, right? I know heiney does, i see him here and there. You should know that this BS can only fly in this particular joint, where the only evidence accepted is the testimonies of his highness Heiney. Go post this opinion at the Audio Critic, lol : )

nspindel

Dude.... It's not a simple question. That's the whole point. If it was a simple question, there wouldn't be 1000 threads about it on this forum. I couldn't care less what anyone else says on any other forums. The only way to answer this question for yourself is to listen for yourself. Everyone's gear is different, everyone's room is different, and everyone's ears are different. If I'm not mistaken, there are a whole lot of other people on this thread who agree with Brock. If you don't want to invest the time that it takes to get the most out of this hobby, go buy yourself an ipod shuffle, fill it with 64kb mp3's, rock out with some apple earbuds, and then cables won't mean a damn thing.

SDA1C

ravaneli wrote: »

mocking, and patronizing and downright insulting, all the while avoiding a simple question.

you people go to other forums too, right? I know heiney does, i see him here and there. You should know that this BS can only fly in this particular joint, where the only evidence accepted is the testimonies of his highness Heiney. Go post this opinion at the Audio Critic, lol : )

Ya know...not following some of these cable threads due to the fact that I won't be regressing and cant afford to progress leaves me wondering why people are so rough. I do, however, see why it has come to the laughing and poking fun at you, not that it is right but it is the internet and that's where folks grow huge balls. At this point, with multiple explanations here in this thread and others I am assuming, by the responses of others, this isn't the first time there has been a wall of misunderstanding on your part. I thought the guys were being harsh but I now see that you sir are just trolling. Doro said it, and is in a sig somewhere, to the point that nobody is this dense or audio dumb so quit the act and stop trolling. If you don't get the concept by now you should pick a different hobby.

heiney9

ravaneli wrote: »

mocking, and patronizing and downright insulting, all the while avoiding a simple question.

you people go to other forums too, right? I know heiney does, i see him here and there. You should know that this BS can only fly in this particular joint, where the only evidence accepted is the testimonies of his highness Heiney. Go post this opinion at the Audio Critic, lol : )

Where do you see me? Occasionally I pop in at DIYAUDIO, but post very little unless it's specific to either adcom or pass labs.

I do post a few things at Tubes Asylum specifically about tubes, otherwise you are mistaken about me participating anywhere else.

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steveinaz

Ravaneli,
Why are you so obcessed with other peoples choices/system decisions? Do what you want; if you're happy with the supplied IC's and good 'ol multi-strand copper---knock yourself out. Why so intent on proving everyone else wrong? Does it really matter?

More importantly, do you really think you'll change anyones mind? Most of us have been in this hobby 40+ years, we're pretty set in our ways there chief; mostly due to years and years of trial and error, experimentation, etc. Many of us (believe it or not) thought cable differences were hogwash as well, years ago---at least I did.

Wire is a component, just like a resistor, capacitor, etc. Components' specifications can and do change with numerous external factors; ie, temperature, level, insulation effects, impedance, frequency, bandwidth capability etc. What makes you think wire is "invisable" to all of these factors? Might these factors influence sound?

Living "in the box" is boring. Keep an open mind and experiment. You may be surprised at what you find....

[Deleted User]

Guys,
Let's go easy on the personal attacks, unaltered swearing, etc or this thread will be, "an ex-thread".
Thanks, Ken

headrott

steveinaz wrote: »

Ravaneli,
Why are you so obcessed with other peoples choices/system decisions? Do what you want; if you're happy with the supplied IC's and good 'ol multi-strand copper---knock yourself out. Why so intent on proving everyone else wrong? Does it really matter?

It could be he would like to experience what others are experiencing, but doesn't want to take the time, have the patience and spend the money to experience it. Therefore rather than doing as previously stated, Ravaneli would rather "knock it". It's simpler and cheaper.

heiney9

headrott wrote: »

It could be he would like to experience what others are experiencing, but doesn't want to take the time, have the patience and spend the money to experience it. Therefore rather than doing as previously stated, Ravaneli would rather "knock it". It's simpler and cheaper.

Based on history and posts here. I am 1000% sure he's not interested in those things at all. All I can base it on are his previous posts and how he has responded.

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steveinaz

Something that (re)opened my eyes to cables differences happened about 7yrs ago when I thought I'd try a Kimber Hero (analog IC) as a digital cable between my transport and my DAC. It sounded AWFUL. Fat tubby bass, rolled off highs, recessed midrange, and it wasn't subtle. Here's an example of how "wire isn't wire." That digital interface was obviously looking for a properly spec'd coaxial cable, not an analog IC with impedance specs all over the map.

What does this tell you? I was surprised at how audible the difference was, and it reaffirmed for me that there is more to learn about this topic of hot debate. If this change in cable can effect a digital transmission this significantly, why could it not happen on the analog side, for different reasons?

heiney9

So what you are saying Steve is you didn't ask others to prove to you they hear differences. You went on your own, experimented with your gear and your room and your music and made an informed decision after a fairly long process of actually listening and noting the differences, and then decided what you fancied?

Hmmm..... that sounds too intelligent for some people on here :twisted:

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steveinaz

Well, what's the alternative? Reading lab-rat papers, and going with the flow. I'm a REBEL baby!

My Mom says eat spinach, my wife says eat spinach, science tells us to eat spinach, healthcare professionals tell us to eat spinach. I HATE spinach. Am I wrong? LOL

heiney9

steveinaz wrote: »

Well, what's the alternative?

Bagdering people on an internet forum seems to be a preferred method.

H9

nspindel

Kenneth Swauger wrote: »

Guys,
Let's go easy on the personal attacks, unaltered swearing, etc or this thread will be, "an ex-thread".
Thanks, Ken

Sorry for the rant. I think this should have been an ex-thread on Tuesday....

steveinaz

I think it's good discussion, if people can keep it civil. It's one of the hottest debated topics in hi-fi, so why not discuss it.

I look at it like this; I love cheesecake. You have never had cheesecake, but claim it's nasty, so you don't want to try any. That's fine by me, I'll eat YOUR cheesecake. What do I care that you don't like it? IOW, why take it to a personal level?

D_M

I always wanted to bring this up, but was never quite sure how to do it. I came across a website article that talks about polk specific cables. Have any of you veteran members tried them or have a set? How do they compare with modern cables?
http://www.high-endaudio.com/RC-SpkrCab.html

VR3

Cobra cables come up pretty often, go to google, type in "Polkaudio.com search: cobra cables" and you should be on the right path.

The guy that created that webpage is a loon though.

[Deleted User]

Thanks, guys!

D_M

VR3 wrote: »

Cobra cables come up pretty often, go to google, type in "Polkaudio.com search: cobra cables" and you should be on the right path.

The guy that created that webpage is a loon though.

Thanks for the direction. I'm not knowledgable enough about this hobby to know when his statements have merit or when they are utter falsehoods. Do you have an example of where he is disseminating misinformation that runs counter to your experience? Anyone, feel free to answer. It does not have to be VR3.

VR3

I would not say he is shouting mis-information, the cables are actually highly regarded. I would say the way he is writing about them suggests he is a bit loony

D_M

Again, thanks for the link VR3. I did a quick bit of reading, now I'm intrigued by the supposed "perfect transmission medium", which had a tendency to eat solid state amplifiers. I don't know if I'm that intrigued to put the sunfire on the line though.

heiney9

Amplifiers are more robust today than the amplifiers they were using the Polk Cobra cable on in the late 70's, most amps of today shouldn't suffer the effects. But caution is always the key ingredient.

H9

disneyjoe7

And someone wish to make a cable forum... Not sure if I could live with thread over and over again about wire.

naturallight

Well the title of the post could have been better... more like Speaker cable, fact or fiction???

LOL rather then a blanket statement.



I think his point was, when you get to a certain type (or lets say good quality cable) spending more money really dosen't buy you anything, or much at all. Which is all up to the persons ear, and his equipment.

I tried higher price speaker cable, to me the money was not well spent..at least on that cable. So out the door it went. Would i spend 1K on speaker cable...no way. I feel there is much better upgrades to do then that. A tube preamp, is a much better way to spend that money...(if i had that money to spend..LOL)



Now are alot of these speaker cables, really just smoke and mirrors..probably. There is more truth in the Blue Jeans cable articles then there is truth in most of these speaker cable company claims.



99% of these "specialty" HI-FI cable companys CAN'T make cable. They can add on stuff, but again the underlying cable itself is probably from Belden. Belden will put on anycover they want, if they want one wire at 15gauge, in a twisted pair set up and the other a 12 gauge then wrap that in whatever outside coating...sure Belden will make it for them. They buy that cable in bulk from Belden, then add on what ever they want, put there own connectors on...whatever the latest and greatest thing happens to be.



Now is all this happy messing around with the cable that they say you will love worth 1K for 2, 6 foot pieces of speaker wire. Well if the person who is buying it thinks it is, then thats up to him.

What the real price of just the cable is..at most from Belden and would depend on how much that there buying. But at most..and i mean at most....it's like 2 dollars a foot.


Well you can say..all the money goes into R&D...thats why the cable cost so much. Well maybe..but maybe not.


Will all these cables sound different..sure why not, there pretty much **** around with designs. Will they sound "better"..well thats in the ear of the person buying it..can it sound worse..sure.


Is there any right or wrong answer to this speaker cable question....NO

heiney9

Lots of blanket statements in your post. You seem to be the expert on 99% (your words) of how all cables are made. Again, you really are just supposing and have little experience to form a reliable opinion.

Many high end companies are using more than simple, inexpensive copper. Again, not all high end companies make great cables. But to say 99% of them don't know what they are doing is absurd.

Yes, R&D costs money. No where did I say that every company that charges a certain price is always offsetting R&D, but it IS a factor for some of them that can't just be ignored. I was very careful not to speak in absolute terms yet when you and some others rebutt, you summarize my post in absoulte terms. Please stop doing that.

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D_M

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

And someone wish to make a cable forum... Not sure if I could live with thread over and over again about wire.

It might actually be beneficial. Yes, I know the search function provides the same information, but we all aren't proficient searchers. Maybe, there could be sticky that delivers cable knowledge in a progressive linear fashsion, so that the reader becomes educated. Veterans could then respond with, " Did you read sticky 101?". The questions then could be focused on the different engineering approaches to go futher down the rabbit hole.

naturallight

H9..I mean really....when I say "MAKE" it means exactly that...Physically MAKE the cable from ground Zero. These people don't have hugh factory's to do this. What is it you don't get?

I did not imply or state they were useing bad copper or anything of the like, nore that they didn't have a clue.....your commet dosen't make sence.