How do the new L800 SDA compare to the Original Legend SDA-SRS 1.2TL?

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  • verb
    verb Posts: 9,879
    Ha! Possibly, or travel down the path vicariously! :)
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  • BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    Seems logical!!!
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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,602
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,977
    K_M wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..

    If you ask the guys around here what they think of your opinion, most would say “KM who?”
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,307
    K_M wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..

    Depends on who you ask. If you ask people who design speakers to make a profit from, then of course your not going to use top flight crossover parts.

    Ask the designers to make a speaker based on performance with no worries about profit margins, you'll find top flight crossover parts.

    It's not that crossover parts don't matter, because they do, it's most are beholden to a bottom line and price point to achieve first and foremost.

    You can find the same things in cars. A benz has some cheap parts in it too. You'll never see those however visually, and it's the same with crossovers.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,790
    edited September 2019
    Benzes and Beemers are chockablock with cheap parts -- which is pretty obvious five or six years on :(
    Both of 'em have had a predilection, at least in the not-too-distant past, for puttin' plastic parts in the darndest places.

    That's why some folks say:
    The most expensive car you'll ever own is a cheap used Mercedes

    :|
  • dromunds
    dromunds Posts: 9,324
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Benzes and Beemers are chockablock with cheap parts -- which is pretty obvious five or six years on :(
    Both of 'em have had a predilection, at least in the not-too-distant past, for puttin' plastic parts in the darndest places.

    That's why some folks say:
    The most expensive car you'll ever own is a cheap used Mercedes

    :|

    Lol. I used to hear the most expensive car you'll ever own is a cheap used Saab
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,602
    K_M wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..

    If you ask the guys around here what they think of your opinion, most would say “KM who?”

    Well yeah, but many guys here, get off on having no one dare to question things, they believe, and have no ability to to see other views.

    Not including you, obviously.....
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 46,009
    Broken record
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,790
    F1nut wrote: »
    Broken record

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    or

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    oh.
    wait.
    I know.

  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,790
    exactly.
    exactly.
    exactly.

    :#
  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 9,455
    DSkip wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Broken record

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    or

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    oh.
    wait.
    I know.

    What what what?

    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • SIHAB
    SIHAB Posts: 2,291
    HOWEVER,

    Allen Shaw is not a fan of the upgraded crossover route and didn't
    think it did anything to the voicing of his speakers. (paraphrasing)
    His comment was about his anniversary editions.

    I'm not saying that modifications aren't useful if you know what
    you are doing. I'm just saying that there are exceptions to the
    Mod is better rule.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,307
    Man, those crossovers are huge.....me likey.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,598
    edited September 2019
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,307
    VR3 wrote: »
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero

    Yes and no Trey. Your customer base is more shallow for sure.

    For instance, if you or someone like Jay or other DIY guys around here were to build a speaker, I'd buy them. Only because I know the quality of these peoples work. Others would not.

    Plus DIY doesn't come with a warranty like mass produced speakers. That adds value no matter what the product is. That could explain also, why speakers take a nose dive in value after the warranty period is over.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,598
    There are exceptions for sure but in general if the average Joe builds a speaker in his basement, the resale is nill.

    Even some of the small companies making speakers, not to name any, their resale value is abysmal
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,307
    True that...

    btw, I didn't realize PBN had so many speaker kits.

    https://pbnaudio.com/self-assemble-speaker-kits/
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  • JayCee
    JayCee Posts: 1,222
    edited September 2019
    tonyb wrote: »
    ...if you or someone like Jay or other DIY guys around here were to build a speaker, I'd buy them.

    Hmmm, Trey, looks to me like Tony's contracted for your first @VR3 speakers. I'd call this post legally binding under CP rules. :smiley:

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 22,977
    VR3 wrote: »
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero
    If the DIY project looks like a DIY project typically does, resale value can be very low. I suspect a project like my tube amps would not have that problem.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,598
    Yeah but Bob Carver has endorsed your build, there's a difference and exceptions
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 2,905
    edited September 2019
    VR3 wrote: »
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero
    I seriously doubt few get their money back if they buy a new set of speakers at or close to MSRP. Then, dump a ton of money and time into modding the crossovers. I'm sure very few break even on that deal. I think it would come down to how well a person is connected to a particular community that might be interested in a modified speaker and willing to pay for it.

    The same would apply to a DIY set. When you look at some of the builds over at www.htguide.com like the Wavecor Ardent builds. There are some guys doing incredible work that probably won't get the their money back given the time and money spent on some of these project. OTOH, there are some that will pay the asking price for some of these DIY builds. I see guys selling their builds all the time. I doubt there is a profit or break even in the deal once labor is added in.

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    I think one that goes down a DIY path does it for a different reason and realize there might be a loss on the resale.
  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,307
    Gorgeous man...wow.

    Agreed, a DIY type is usually in it for personal enjoyment, not to resell and make a buck.
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 2,905
    edited September 2019
    tonyb wrote: »
    Gorgeous man...wow.
    Agreed, a DIY type is usually in it for personal enjoyment, not to resell and make a buck.
    Yes, they are!
    I keep telling myself that I can build something that sounds and looks good (maybe not as good as the above?) for the HT in the family room. I've been looking at the massive Statements II or Anthology and center channel over on Jim Holtz site:
    http://speakerdesignworks.com/Statement_II_1.html
    http://speakerdesignworks.com/Anthology_6.html
    Plus this BIG center channel: http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?41930-New-center-channels-for-the-Statements-II-and-The-Finalists
    Maybe I give up on this for now and consider some Polks again down the line?

    The reality is... maybe I should focus on building a set of small high performing monitors that I want for music listening in the living room.
    Right now the Jeff Bagby SB Revolution Mini Be (Beryllium tweets!) would be a dream build. https://meniscusaudio.com/product/sb-revolution-mini-be-loudspeaker-kit/
    I'm seriously thinking about these: They have the Oval woofer on the back like the Buchardt S400 and are supposed to sound much fuller and play much lower then their size would suggest. Great feedback from the DIY community.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 27,790
    edited September 2019
    Speaking of these Bagby designs/kits, I just happened to see a new post to a build thread on one of them at:
    https://hifihaven.org/index.php?threads/stevenzs-diy-jeff-bagby-helix-dome-speaker-build.4818/

    Seemed worth mentioning in the context of this thread.
    :|

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    (photos nicked from the above-mentioned thread)
  • gmcman
    gmcman Posts: 1,620
    K_M wrote: »

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..

    Safe bet the engineers aren't going to use caps in the neighborhood of $200 to $1K per cap or more, especially when trying to get a series of speakers back on its feet.....throws the profit margin out the window as well as potential sales.

    It's up to the consumer to take the product to that last possible 10% if they so desire....that's what makes this hobby even more fun.
  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 9,455
    edited September 2019
    If you ask the guys that design/engineer cars, most will not tell you to put a big fat turbo, higher flowing fuel injectors and fuel pump on any of their cars either.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk