How do the new L800 SDA compare to the Original Legend SDA-SRS 1.2TL?

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,248
    verb wrote: »
    So i'm looking forward to the new journey that the L800's promise.

    Sounds like you already put a deposit down to secure one of the first pairs sold! Congratulations! I like early adopters.
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  • verbverb Posts: 8,013
    Ha! Possibly, or travel down the path vicariously! :)
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  • stones89stones89 Posts: 231
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    Seems logical!!!
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,520
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,511
    K_M wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..

    If you ask the guys around here what they think of your opinion, most would say “KM who?”
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    K_M wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..

    Depends on who you ask. If you ask people who design speakers to make a profit from, then of course your not going to use top flight crossover parts.

    Ask the designers to make a speaker based on performance with no worries about profit margins, you'll find top flight crossover parts.

    It's not that crossover parts don't matter, because they do, it's most are beholden to a bottom line and price point to achieve first and foremost.

    You can find the same things in cars. A benz has some cheap parts in it too. You'll never see those however visually, and it's the same with crossovers.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,458
    edited September 25
    Benzes and Beemers are chockablock with cheap parts -- which is pretty obvious five or six years on :(
    Both of 'em have had a predilection, at least in the not-too-distant past, for puttin' plastic parts in the darndest places.

    That's why some folks say:
    The most expensive car you'll ever own is a cheap used Mercedes

    :|
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 8,337
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Benzes and Beemers are chockablock with cheap parts -- which is pretty obvious five or six years on :(
    Both of 'em have had a predilection, at least in the not-too-distant past, for puttin' plastic parts in the darndest places.

    That's why some folks say:
    The most expensive car you'll ever own is a cheap used Mercedes

    :|

    Lol. I used to hear the most expensive car you'll ever own is a cheap used Saab
  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,520
    K_M wrote: »
    BlueFox wrote: »
    Or one could just buy a speaker and enjoy it for a few years before trying to make it better.

    If you ask the guys that design/engineer speakers, most do not believe in the botique crossover parts route.
    Yes some speakers use truly mediocre crossover parts, and can be improved, but not all..

    If you ask the guys around here what they think of your opinion, most would say “KM who?”

    Well yeah, but many guys here, get off on having no one dare to question things, they believe, and have no ability to to see other views.

    Not including you, obviously.....
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 42,967
    Broken record
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,458
    F1nut wrote: »
    Broken record

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    or

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    oh.
    wait.
    I know.

  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,223
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Broken record

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    or

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    oh.
    wait.
    I know.

    What what what?
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,458
    exactly.
    exactly.
    exactly.

    :#
  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,515
    DSkip wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    F1nut wrote: »
    Broken record

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    or

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    oh.
    wait.
    I know.

    What what what?

    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • SIHABSIHAB Posts: 1,517
    HOWEVER,

    Allen Shaw is not a fan of the upgraded crossover route and didn't
    think it did anything to the voicing of his speakers. (paraphrasing)
    His comment was about his anniversary editions.

    I'm not saying that modifications aren't useful if you know what
    you are doing. I'm just saying that there are exceptions to the
    Mod is better rule.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    Man, those crossovers are huge.....me likey.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    Dropping a 4 cylinder engine in a Camaro is "adequate" too, gets you around town, back and forth no problem. Who the heck wants that though. No doubt some will, but most won't.

    People have to remember that a speaker company is a business, guided by profits. It's not there to swap dollars so you can afford them. The challenge is always going to be, how to put out a product, year after year, that offers improvements, in a market where your customer base has disposable income that keeps shrinking.....and the cost of doing business keeps rising.

    Not as easy as one may think, to build mass produced speakers in such an environment, let alone ones that sound good to boot, and keep them reasonably affordable.

    I personally think Polk has excelled in that endeavor. It's easy to see why higher end crossovers are not offered, not because they don't matter, but to keep costs and profits in line so they stay in business.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,489
    edited September 26
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    VR3 wrote: »
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero

    Yes and no Trey. Your customer base is more shallow for sure.

    For instance, if you or someone like Jay or other DIY guys around here were to build a speaker, I'd buy them. Only because I know the quality of these peoples work. Others would not.

    Plus DIY doesn't come with a warranty like mass produced speakers. That adds value no matter what the product is. That could explain also, why speakers take a nose dive in value after the warranty period is over.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,489
    There are exceptions for sure but in general if the average Joe builds a speaker in his basement, the resale is nill.

    Even some of the small companies making speakers, not to name any, their resale value is abysmal
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    True that...

    btw, I didn't realize PBN had so many speaker kits.

    https://pbnaudio.com/self-assemble-speaker-kits/
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    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • JayCeeJayCee Posts: 610
    edited September 26
    tonyb wrote: »
    ...if you or someone like Jay or other DIY guys around here were to build a speaker, I'd buy them.

    Hmmm, Trey, looks to me like Tony's contracted for your first @VR3 speakers. I'd call this post legally binding under CP rules. :smiley:

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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,223
    SIHAB wrote: »
    HOWEVER,

    Allen Shaw is not a fan of the upgraded crossover route and didn't
    think it did anything to the voicing of his speakers. (paraphrasing)
    His comment was about his anniversary editions.

    I'm not saying that modifications aren't useful if you know what
    you are doing. I'm just saying that there are exceptions to the
    Mod is better rule.

    Alan Shaw also believes that amplifiers and speaker stands don’t matter. Look, I’m a Harbeth dealer, but I don’t sign off on his perception of audio. Sometimes I wonder if these ideas he spouts are simply veiled marketing to make people believe the speaker is the only thing that matters so spend all your money on those.
  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 21,511
    VR3 wrote: »
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero
    If the DIY project looks like a DIY project typically does, resale value can be very low. I suspect a project like my tube amps would not have that problem.
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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,489
    Yeah but Bob Carver has endorsed your build, there's a difference and exceptions
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,660
    edited September 26
    VR3 wrote: »
    The problem with diy is the resale value is virtually zero
    I seriously doubt few get their money back if they buy a new set of speakers at or close to MSRP. Then, dump a ton of money and time into modding the crossovers. I'm sure very few break even on that deal. I think it would come down to how well a person is connected to a particular community that might be interested in a modified speaker and willing to pay for it.

    The same would apply to a DIY set. When you look at some of the builds over at www.htguide.com like the Wavecor Ardent builds. There are some guys doing incredible work that probably won't get the their money back given the time and money spent on some of these project. OTOH, there are some that will pay the asking price for some of these DIY builds. I see guys selling their builds all the time. I doubt there is a profit or break even in the deal once labor is added in.

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    I think one that goes down a DIY path does it for a different reason and realize there might be a loss on the resale.
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,642
    Gorgeous man...wow.

    Agreed, a DIY type is usually in it for personal enjoyment, not to resell and make a buck.
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  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,660
    edited September 26
    tonyb wrote: »
    Gorgeous man...wow.
    Agreed, a DIY type is usually in it for personal enjoyment, not to resell and make a buck.
    Yes, they are!
    I keep telling myself that I can build something that sounds and looks good (maybe not as good as the above?) for the HT in the family room. I've been looking at the massive Statements II or Anthology and center channel over on Jim Holtz site:
    http://speakerdesignworks.com/Statement_II_1.html
    http://speakerdesignworks.com/Anthology_6.html
    Plus this BIG center channel: http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php?41930-New-center-channels-for-the-Statements-II-and-The-Finalists
    Maybe I give up on this for now and consider some Polks again down the line?

    The reality is... maybe I should focus on building a set of small high performing monitors that I want for music listening in the living room.
    Right now the Jeff Bagby SB Revolution Mini Be (Beryllium tweets!) would be a dream build. https://meniscusaudio.com/product/sb-revolution-mini-be-loudspeaker-kit/
    I'm seriously thinking about these: They have the Oval woofer on the back like the Buchardt S400 and are supposed to sound much fuller and play much lower then their size would suggest. Great feedback from the DIY community.
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