How do the new L800 SDA compare to the Original Legend SDA-SRS 1.2TL?

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,163
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    Looking at the values, I actually think changing the caps and resistors would be fairly simple...

    Changing all those iron core inductors would be a true bear and require remote mounting but not impossible.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,674
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    FTGV wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Thanks Fred 👍
    Well Polk told F1 otherwise so I'm sure they will add clarity to the subject.

    We will find out here in a few months now won't we ;) .

    I still respect your take you have a keen knowledge.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,674
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    VR3 wrote: »
    Looking at the values, I actually think changing the caps and resistors would be fairly simple...

    Changing all those iron core inductors would be a true bear and require remote mounting but not impossible.

    Those are poly caps no or are they Mylar? Wonder who supplies them for Polk?
  • Moose68Bash
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    VR3 wrote: »
    Looking at the values, I actually think changing the caps and resistors would be fairly simple...

    Changing all those iron core inductors would be a true bear and require remote mounting but not impossible.

    @Vr3,

    What do you think?

    Is it likely to be worth it for the improvement in sound quality, perhaps, without changing the inductors?

    Even at the price Polk is advertising, I would bet they had to make some compromises on component quality to reduce costs.
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  • F1nut
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    Mylar
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  • Moose68Bash
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Mylar

    OK, @F1nut, I'll bite: What do you mean by "Mylar?"

    :)
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,674
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    yellow caps on the XO board are Mylar not polypropylene. He answered my question.
  • Moose68Bash
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    yellow caps on the XO board are Mylar not polypropylene. He answered my question.

    Thanks, @pitdogg2.

    Please pardon my ignorance.

    Of course, @F1nut, characteristically [ :) ] provides no context, but I should have read your comment, which Vanilla indicates you posted several minutes before my post.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,175
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Can they be? Sure, but there's a lot of components on the board, so it isn't going to be cheap.

    They're $6k loudspeakers, so that's OK.
    I mean, it's like buying a BMW (especially a used, older one) -- it's a given that the parts and service are gonna be costly.

    ;)
  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
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    also known as polyester.
  • vmaxer
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,163
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    Absolutely, changing them with a cap like the Clarity Cap CSA and the resistors to Jantzen superes would yield gains. Everything can be improved, there is truly no limit in audio. You could build an enclosure externally the size of the speakers, drop $30k in duelund caps and resistors. The world is your oyster!! haha
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
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    Love it! We're (I mean you guys) already hot rodding the XO's! :)
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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,729
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    verb wrote: »
    Love it! We're (I mean you guys) already hot rodding the XO's! :)

    Hot Rodding the broads? I mean boards?

    Here's mine. Look at the inductors on this one. Do you have the capacity to resistor?

    iue5dum7ggus.jpg
  • nooshinjohn
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    The dynamic interface could use a new grill....
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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,073
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    Is that Caitlyn Jenner?
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,729
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    I hope she isn't bi-wired.
  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,170
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    Nightfall wrote: »
    Is that Caitlyn Jenner?

    Just before the Olympic tryouts in 1972....
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  • ZLTFUL
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  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
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    Hard to tell from the pic, inductors and all :) but is that a Cadillac? Coupe Deville or Eldorado
    I’m guessing.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,170
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    verb wrote: »
    Hard to tell from the pic, inductors and all :) but is that a Cadillac? Coupe Deville or Eldorado
    I’m guessing.
    It started life as a ‘57 T-bird...

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  • Viking64
    Viking64 Posts: 6,729
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    verb wrote: »
    Hard to tell from the pic, inductors and all :) but is that a Cadillac? Coupe Deville or Eldorado
    I’m guessing.

    I did a little research and found it to be Dick Jackson’s custom 1957 T-bird. :)

    https://kustomrama.com/wiki/Dick_Jackson's_1957_Ford_Thunderbird
  • verb
    verb Posts: 10,176
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    Very cool! As usual I’m way off! :smile:
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,170
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    verb wrote: »
    Very cool! As usual I’m way off! :smile:
    We know... :p
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  • nooshinjohn
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    From what I've seen, it would seem very difficult to upgrade the stock crossovers,...

    Not for those of us who know how to design circuit boards. ;)

    In the future, when I am more dedicated to audio than I am now, I will buy two sets of L800's, one to mod out to the nines, the other to keep stock, both to compare to my hot rodded SDA SRS 1.2TLs. :)


    I think I safely speak for all of us in saying we eagerly await that review. Would a GoFund me page help?

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  • westmassguy
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    Metalized polypropylene will definitely improve the performance, but consider the original TOT SRSs were mostly NP Electrolytics. I'll take Mylars over Electrolytics any day.
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  • mhardy6647
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    FTGV wrote: »
    also known as polyester.

    Yup, PET (PolyEthylene Terephthalate) the original, trademarked polyester "plastic film" from Dupont (Better Living Through Chemistry) :)

  • dromunds
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    Viking64 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    Love it! We're (I mean you guys) already hot rodding the XO's! :)

    Hot Rodding the broads? I mean boards?

    Here's mine. Look at the inductors on this one. Do you have the capacity to resistor?

    iue5dum7ggus.jpg

    The dude looks like a lady