Do power cables make a difference?

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 24,137
    Like I said, she's not at all interested in finding out. She won't take polrbehr up on his offer (just like I predicted) and she will rail against any and all attempts to try and explain why cables can sound different.

    The reason is because her mind is closed and completely made up. You all might as well be talking to a wall.

    There is a point where it's foolish to further engage someone like her. Time to move on, no one is worth this much attention.

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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,617
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Like I said, she's not at all interested in finding out. She won't take polrbehr up on his offer (just like I predicted) and she will rail against any and all attempts to try and explain why cables can sound different.

    The reason is because her mind is closed and completely made up. You all might as well be talking to a wall.

    There is a point where it's foolish to further engage someone like her. Time to move on, no one is worth this much attention.

    H9

    First off If I take someone up an an "Offer", it will not be announced publicly but will be done in PM.
    My mind is not closed, but I have a view that I strongly believe in. Big difference.
    You are the one that keeps mentioning me......and keeps saying to not engage me, but you seem quite unable.
    I can not force you to quit replying to me...geez.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 5,551
    @K_M
    In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
    Is it that cables don't make a difference?
    Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?
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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,470
    It doesn't matter what the question or topic is, she will troll it. Then, after the push back gets too much she'll PM a bunch of members to complain and look for support. When that goes nowhere she'll disappear for a bit. It's been the same MO since the day she joined.
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,617
    edited April 2018
    msg wrote: »
    @K_M
    In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
    Is it that cables don't make a difference?
    Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?

    my original comment was something about......

    Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.

    In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 5,551
    I started another thread detailing a bit the Difference File Test Method. It's an easy way for anyone with a computer to see for themselves the differences component changes make.

    http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/181790/do-cables-components-make-a-difference-heres-how-to-test-for-yourself
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  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,887
    K_M wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    @K_M
    In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
    Is it that cables don't make a difference?
    Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?

    my original comment was something about......

    Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.

    In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con.

    Take your own advice, If there’s Nothing to argue over then give it a rest.
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  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,412
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    msg wrote: »
    @K_M
    In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
    Is it that cables don't make a difference?
    Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?

    my original comment was something about......

    Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.

    In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con.

    Take your own advice, If there’s Nothing to argue over then give it a rest.
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  • msgmsg Posts: 5,551
    K_M wrote: »
    my original comment was something about......

    Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.

    In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con.
    Okay. I thought it might be the latter. In answer to this, I created a separate thread, which you've now seen, detailing a process for determining how much of a difference component changes can make by way of an audio difference file, so that one can actually hear the difference.

    It's better than measurable, it's an audible demonstration of what's missing. As before, the responsibility lies with you to test/evaluate for yourself. I see now though that you've already got an answer for this, as well - a listener may or may not be able to hear the difference between components above audio playing in the original listening context

    For everyone else who subscribes to system component refinements, it doesn't need to be measured by difference recording, nor otherwise proven - it's good enough for them to know through listening that the gains are there. That they're cumulative, and that it all adds to the experience through a collection of nuanced improvements. Everyone knows that's what we're talking about here. Cumulative removal would result in a lesser listening experience.
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  • gmcmangmcman Posts: 1,560
    When I recorded a few tracks with different power cords just recently, I had switched my cdp, preamp, & amp back to the stock cords. It was then I realized how much the upgraded cords lowered the noise floor of the music. I'm trying to get a file I can share while maintaining the original file quality...or I will just need to find another method.

    I haven't used them in probably 3-4 years since I started down this rabbit hole. What immediately stood out was the slight....."fuzziness"... if you will, surrounding the music or mainly the vocals. The dialog was clear, but the imaging my 2.3TL's provide was not as focused and I was struck by the slightly clouded shrill of the female vocals. Also lost was the finer details of the quiet passages, the last bit of quiet air you can hear from the singer. If you know its there, you can somewhat hear it, but with the upgraded cords, that detail smoothed out and becomes more in focus, cleaning up the subtle details and giving some image depth.....and not as painful to listen to for extended periods.

    How critical do you listen? What is your listening environment like? Do you suffer from some sort of hearing issues mainly regarding the higher pitched notes? All that applies to everyone. I wasn't a believer until I tried it myself. The differences may not jump right out, but the more you know a song and the more revealing your gear is, the more pronounced the experience will likely be.

  • voltzvoltz Posts: 5,423
    edited April 2018
    1st of all you can not blind test power cables...when you turn it off and let it cool down and then plug in a new cable everything changes...as everthing matters....amps need to warm up etc...

    audio & science don't go together in a way....

    If you need Science to prove your music is good then you missing the whole point of listening to music! Enjoy it or sell it!

    don't judge what you have never heard! or tried! or you just talking to be talking!

    I don't care what anyone else thinks but me & my ears BUT...I found I can trust many of those Texas Dudes! and they have never let me down! they have helped me down this road like several others on this forum.

    Enjoy your ride like I have or give it up!

    stick with those cheap patch cables that came with your CD player and that brand new power cable they gave you and count yourself blessed o:)
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,617
    voltz wrote: »
    1st of all you can not blind test power cables...when you turn it off and let it cool down and then plug in a new cable everything changes...as everthing matters....amps need to warm up etc...

    audio & science don't go together in a way....

    If you need Science to prove your music is good then you missing the whole point of listening to music! Enjoy it or sell it!

    Blind means to listen without knowledge of what is being used.

    It is a method of seeing if a difference is truly real to the listener or they are simply perceiving a difference aided by knowledge of what is being used.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,939
    Cool, why don't you drop $100 on a Shunyata Venom 14 and have your husband setup a blind test for you against a stock cord on your source, and see what you think.

    Are you afraid that you might prefer the sound of the Shunyata?
    K_M wrote: »
    Blind means to listen without knowledge of what is being used.

    It is a method of seeing if a difference is truly real to the listener or they are simply perceiving a difference aided by knowledge of what is being used.

  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 5,238
    Shunyata Venom? That sounds like the verbal abuse you would have to take from a Japanese girl when she rejects your advances. :p
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,939
    Speaking from experience?
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Shunyata Venom? That sounds like the verbal abuse you would have to take from a Japanese girl when she rejects your advances. :p

  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 5,238
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Speaking from experience?
    Nope. HAHAHA Back in the 80's, that may have been an interest, but the internet has dulled the appeal, if you catch my drift. :p
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,939
    "Back" in the 80s? I was born in the 80s..

    Sup gramps?
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Nope. HAHAHA Back in the 80's, that may have been an interest, but the internet has dulled the appeal, if you catch my drift. :p

  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 5,238
    Clipdat wrote: »
    "Back" in the 80s? I was born in the 80s..

    Sup gramps?
    Normally I am one of the oldest members of forums that I frequent. Here? Not so much. :p
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 16,293
    Clipdat wrote: »
    "Back" in the 80s? I was born in the 80s..

    Sup gramps?
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Nope. HAHAHA Back in the 80's, that may have been an interest, but the internet has dulled the appeal, if you catch my drift. :p

    That EXPLAINS a LOT....
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,939
    Such as?
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    That EXPLAINS a LOT....

  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,016
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Such as?
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    That EXPLAINS a LOT....

    You're too young to hear about such things right now. :#:D
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 16,293
    Tony M wrote: »
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Such as?
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    That EXPLAINS a LOT....

    You're too young to hear about such things right now. :#:D

    Bingo
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,939
    Oh I thought you were going to list some actual things, but if you're just flapping your gums then that's cool too.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,423
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    I was already getting speeding tickets and chasing chicks in the early 80's >:)

    ....30 years later, nothing has changed too. :)

    Before the thread goes off the rails, like these usually do, bottom line is to tune out all the negativity and simply try a few for yourself, listen with your ears and then make judgements as it applies to you.

    It's not hard, doesn't warrant 14 pages of back and forth. You have to approach these things with an open mind, and no wax build up in the ears. ;):)
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  • K_MK_M Posts: 1,617
    edited April 2018
    Clipdat wrote: »
    "Back" in the 80s? I was born in the 80s..

    Sup gramps?
    Viking64 wrote: »
    Nope. HAHAHA Back in the 80's, that may have been an interest, but the internet has dulled the appeal, if you catch my drift. :p

    Same here. early/Mid 80's.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,939
    Neat.



    I wish you would've replied to this post of mine instead, so I'll just paste it again here:
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Cool, why don't you drop $100 on a Shunyata Venom 14 and have your husband setup a blind test for you against a stock cord on your source, and see what you think.

    Are you afraid that you might prefer the sound of the Shunyata?
    K_M wrote: »
    Blind means to listen without knowledge of what is being used.

    It is a method of seeing if a difference is truly real to the listener or they are simply perceiving a difference aided by knowledge of what is being used.


    K_M wrote: »
    Same here. early/Mid 80's.

  • txcoastal1txcoastal1 Posts: 11,213
    When it comes to power cables you need, don't forget the Douglas Connection custom power cable selection. :)

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  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,887
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    I'm still not soiling myself and you have moved up to training bras

    Hahahahaha!
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