Do power cables make a difference?
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Like I said, she's not at all interested in finding out. She won't take polrbehr up on his offer (just like I predicted) and she will rail against any and all attempts to try and explain why cables can sound different.
The reason is because her mind is closed and completely made up. You all might as well be talking to a wall.
There is a point where it's foolish to further engage someone like her. Time to move on, no one is worth this much attention.
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Like I said, she's not at all interested in finding out. She won't take polrbehr up on his offer (just like I predicted) and she will rail against any and all attempts to try and explain why cables can sound different.
The reason is because her mind is closed and completely made up. You all might as well be talking to a wall.
There is a point where it's foolish to further engage someone like her. Time to move on, no one is worth this much attention.
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First off If I take someone up an an "Offer", it will not be announced publicly but will be done in PM.
My mind is not closed, but I have a view that I strongly believe in. Big difference.
You are the one that keeps mentioning me......and keeps saying to not engage me, but you seem quite unable.
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@K_M
In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
Is it that cables don't make a difference?
Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?I disabled signatures. -
It doesn't matter what the question or topic is, she will troll it. Then, after the push back gets too much she'll PM a bunch of members to complain and look for support. When that goes nowhere she'll disappear for a bit. It's been the same MO since the day she joined.Political Correctness'.........defined
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@K_M
In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
Is it that cables don't make a difference?
Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?
my original comment was something about......
Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.
In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con. -
I started another thread detailing a bit the Difference File Test Method. It's an easy way for anyone with a computer to see for themselves the differences component changes make.
http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/181790/do-cables-components-make-a-difference-heres-how-to-test-for-yourselfI disabled signatures. -
@K_M
In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
Is it that cables don't make a difference?
Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?
my original comment was something about......
Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.
In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con.
Take your own advice, If there’s Nothing to argue over then give it a rest.2 channel:
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PLEASE!!@K_M
In all sincerity, what is the question here, again?
Is it that cables don't make a difference?
Or that cables don't make enough of a difference that a person couldn't tell the difference in a blind test?
my original comment was something about......
Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.
In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con.
Take your own advice, If there’s Nothing to argue over then give it a rest.
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Okay. I thought it might be the latter. In answer to this, I created a separate thread, which you've now seen, detailing a process for determining how much of a difference component changes can make by way of an audio difference file, so that one can actually hear the difference.my original comment was something about......
Why bother arguing over them, when even if there are differences, (which I believe there could be, but quite small) when the proponents are only offering an anecdotal account (which is fine) but does not fit into what I would call close to definitive proof, but just an account of an experience online.
In other words, there is nothing serious enough to argue, as a completely uncontrolled subjective listen, is not worth arguing about pro or con.
It's better than measurable, it's an audible demonstration of what's missing. As before, the responsibility lies with you to test/evaluate for yourself. I see now though that you've already got an answer for this, as well - a listener may or may not be able to hear the difference between components above audio playing in the original listening context
For everyone else who subscribes to system component refinements, it doesn't need to be measured by difference recording, nor otherwise proven - it's good enough for them to know through listening that the gains are there. That they're cumulative, and that it all adds to the experience through a collection of nuanced improvements. Everyone knows that's what we're talking about here. Cumulative removal would result in a lesser listening experience.
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When I recorded a few tracks with different power cords just recently, I had switched my cdp, preamp, & amp back to the stock cords. It was then I realized how much the upgraded cords lowered the noise floor of the music. I'm trying to get a file I can share while maintaining the original file quality...or I will just need to find another method.
I haven't used them in probably 3-4 years since I started down this rabbit hole. What immediately stood out was the slight....."fuzziness"... if you will, surrounding the music or mainly the vocals. The dialog was clear, but the imaging my 2.3TL's provide was not as focused and I was struck by the slightly clouded shrill of the female vocals. Also lost was the finer details of the quiet passages, the last bit of quiet air you can hear from the singer. If you know its there, you can somewhat hear it, but with the upgraded cords, that detail smoothed out and becomes more in focus, cleaning up the subtle details and giving some image depth.....and not as painful to listen to for extended periods.
How critical do you listen? What is your listening environment like? Do you suffer from some sort of hearing issues mainly regarding the higher pitched notes? All that applies to everyone. I wasn't a believer until I tried it myself. The differences may not jump right out, but the more you know a song and the more revealing your gear is, the more pronounced the experience will likely be.
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1st of all you can not blind test power cables...when you turn it off and let it cool down and then plug in a new cable everything changes...as everthing matters....amps need to warm up etc...
audio & science don't go together in a way....
If you need Science to prove your music is good then you missing the whole point of listening to music! Enjoy it or sell it!
don't judge what you have never heard! or tried! or you just talking to be talking!
I don't care what anyone else thinks but me & my ears BUT...I found I can trust many of those Texas Dudes! and they have never let me down! they have helped me down this road like several others on this forum.
Enjoy your ride like I have or give it up!
stick with those cheap patch cables that came with your CD player and that brand new power cable they gave you and count yourself blessed
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1st of all you can not blind test power cables...when you turn it off and let it cool down and then plug in a new cable everything changes...as everthing matters....amps need to warm up etc...
audio & science don't go together in a way....
If you need Science to prove your music is good then you missing the whole point of listening to music! Enjoy it or sell it!
Blind means to listen without knowledge of what is being used.
It is a method of seeing if a difference is truly real to the listener or they are simply perceiving a difference aided by knowledge of what is being used. -
Cool, why don't you drop $100 on a Shunyata Venom 14 and have your husband setup a blind test for you against a stock cord on your source, and see what you think.
Are you afraid that you might prefer the sound of the Shunyata?Blind means to listen without knowledge of what is being used.
It is a method of seeing if a difference is truly real to the listener or they are simply perceiving a difference aided by knowledge of what is being used.
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Shunyata Venom? That sounds like the verbal abuse you would have to take from a Japanese girl when she rejects your advances.
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Speaking from experience?Shunyata Venom? That sounds like the verbal abuse you would have to take from a Japanese girl when she rejects your advances.
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Nope. HAHAHA Back in the 80's, that may have been an interest, but the internet has dulled the appeal, if you catch my drift.Speaking from experience?
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"Back" in the 80s? I was born in the 80s..
Sup gramps?Nope. HAHAHA Back in the 80's, that may have been an interest, but the internet has dulled the appeal, if you catch my drift.
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Normally I am one of the oldest members of forums that I frequent. Here? Not so much."Back" in the 80s? I was born in the 80s..
Sup gramps?
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That EXPLAINS a LOT.... -
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You're too young to hear about such things right now.
Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them. -
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Oh I thought you were going to list some actual things, but if you're just flapping your gums then that's cool too.
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You were in diapers while i was well .... not soiling myself......
I see not much has changed I'm still not soiling myself and you have moved up to training bras
I was already getting speeding tickets and chasing chicks in the early 80's
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I was already getting speeding tickets and chasing chicks in the early 80's
....30 years later, nothing has changed too.
Before the thread goes off the rails, like these usually do, bottom line is to tune out all the negativity and simply try a few for yourself, listen with your ears and then make judgements as it applies to you.
It's not hard, doesn't warrant 14 pages of back and forth. You have to approach these things with an open mind, and no wax build up in the ears.
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Same here. early/Mid 80's. -
Neat.
I wish you would've replied to this post of mine instead, so I'll just paste it again here:Cool, why don't you drop $100 on a Shunyata Venom 14 and have your husband setup a blind test for you against a stock cord on your source, and see what you think.
Are you afraid that you might prefer the sound of the Shunyata?Blind means to listen without knowledge of what is being used.
It is a method of seeing if a difference is truly real to the listener or they are simply perceiving a difference aided by knowledge of what is being used.Same here. early/Mid 80's.
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helipilotdoug wrote: »When it comes to power cables you need, don't forget the Douglas Connection custom power cable selection.
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2 channel:
Bryston 4B3, Bryston BDA3, Cary SLP05, Shanling CDT1000SE with parts conneXion level 2 mods, Nottingham analogue ace space 294, soundsmith Carmen MKii, Zu DL103 MKii, Ortofon MC 20 MKii, Dynavector XX2 MKii, Rogue Audio Ares, Core power technologies balanced power conditioner, Akiko Corelli power conditioner with Akiko Audio HQ power cable, Nordost heimdall 2, Frey 2, interconnects, speaker and power cables, Focal Electra 1028 BE 2, Auralic Aries Femto, Black diamond racing cones, ingress audio level 1 roller blocks, JL Audio E110 with Auralic subdude, Primacoustics room treatments.
Theater:
Focal Aria 926,905,CC900, SVS PB ultra x2. Pioneer Elite SC85, Oppo BDP93, Panamax M5400PM, Minix neox6, Nordost Blue heaven LS power cables.
