Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
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    Face wrote: »
    Why is anyone even paying attention to him, his intension is more than obvious.

    You're right. I just have too much time on my hands till Friday. I found a dealer that'll give me a demo, but I have to go back into the sales staff. It's a job at a dealer that's actually selling cars and the sales floor isn't flooded, woohoo. Plus I've worked with the GSM before at two different dealers, so I know how he operates.
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    This is a little off the subject but so are other peoples posts.This thread reminds me off two interesting scenarios in my life.As a retired professional sports person I used to travel the world extensively.I lived in the USA for some time as well and brought with me a set of German car audio speakers nl.MB QUART.I was met with ridicule from most Americans who had never heard of it and would fight me to the death about Jenson Rockford Fostgate Polk audio etc.Not to suck up but the only speakers that sounded remotely decent happened to be Polk.Anyway fast forward 2 years and when I return to the States MB QUART is killing everything in it's path in terms of car audio Blaaaa blaaa the sheep mode was around at that time as well!. (Story2) I had only used American amps in my cars Soundstream Earthquake Rockford etc.One Sunday morning a close friend arrives and asked me to help him install x2 Pioneer amps into his car.I told him that we are wasting our time with this "**** crap".And low and behold when we fired those to babies up...amazingly warm and detailed music flowed from his car to a level I had never heard before.These amps turned out to be strongly biased into classA.Yes they gave off oodles of heat and ran your battery dry in minutes but they went on to win reference awards in Germany France Sweden and the USA.Blaaaaa Blaaaaa I had fallen victim to the sheep syndrome:o
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    Face wrote: »
    Why is anyone even paying attention to him, his intension is more than obvious.
    Just what is my intention genius??
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    Face wrote: »
    Why is anyone even paying attention to him, his intension is more than obvious.
    Read my last post maybe you can learn something baaaaa baaaaa;)
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  • comfortablycurt
    comfortablycurt Posts: 6,745
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    seafire wrote: »
    Lol you say I contradict myself but read your own post back..PS AUdio's better than rs 10 gauge but not really any better than the tara labs rsc prime bi wires;)read all my posts I said you get to a level where the diff is so small that it becomes a waste of time..exactly what you said.Why do I want to spend 1000$ on cable when I can come pretty close and in some cases kick butt with a cheaper alternative.I live outside the USA prime cable like that is hard to find second hand and never at a quarter of the price!;)

    You just made everyones point there...thanks. The point is...that yes, you might be able to come close with cheaper alternatives, but some people are looking for that extra edge. Close isn't good enough for everyone. How is it a waste of time if there is an improvement?

    Also, you don't have to spend 1000 dollars to get good cables. Most people that experiment with cabling buy used cables...you don't have to spend anywhere near 1000 dollars to get a quality cable. You keep saying that...and people keep telling you otherwise, yet you keep referring to it as a valid point. It's not. Sure, you can easily spend upwards of 1000 dollars on cables...if you buy new. Those same 1000 dollar cables go for around 300 dollars used generally. This is how most people buy them.
    Read my last post maybe you can learn something baaaaa baaaaa

    You really need to stop saying "baaa baaa". It's really getting annoying. How does making your own decision based on your own personal experiences make you a sheep? It doesn't.
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    Keiko wrote: »
    No, he's an assehole from cyberspace. :rolleyes:
    Hi KAKO how are you again thank you for the intelligent contributions:D:D:D
    RAFLOL
    All I can say is shame you must be very frustrated by only being able to reply with insults it's like a baby's first words.Don't worry your forgiven;)
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,475
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    Since the moderator will not end this thread the members should end it NOW.
    Enough is enough and everyone member should ignore the troll/trolls. We are lowering ourselves to the other forums and that is not acceptable.
    Thats all I have to say
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    comfortablycurt wrote: »
    You just made everyones point there...thanks. The point is...that yes, you might be able to come close with cheaper alternatives, but some people are looking for that extra edge. Close isn't good enough for everyone. How is it a waste of time if there is an improvement?

    Also, you don't have to spend 1000 dollars to get good cables. Most people that experiment with cabling buy used cables...you don't have to spend anywhere near 1000 dollars to get a quality cable. You keep saying that...and people keep telling you otherwise, yet you keep referring to it as a valid point. It's not. Sure, you can easily spend upwards of 1000 dollars on cables...if you buy new. Those some 1000 dollar cables go for around 300 dollars used generally. This is how most people buy them.


    You really need to stop saying "baaa baaa". It's really getting annoying. How does making your own decision based on your own personal experiences make you a sheep? It doesn't.
    Ok good point.Please remember what I said earlier...we dont all live in he USA and that type of cable at those prices...nearly impossible.Remember that some folks that buy this cable can't here past 15k or even less.Yes sure there are some that hear it all but they are defiantly the minority
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,475
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    Embarrassing
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
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    Ok good point.Please remember what I said earlier...we dont all live in he USA and that type of cable at those prices...nearly impossible.Remember that some folks that buy this cable can't here past 15k or even less.Yes sure there are some that hear it all but they are defiantly the minority

    Hell, I can hear a dog whistle :D and that annoying high pitched sound that CRT tvs emit. But I had to have perfect hearing for my Air Force job. You're on the damn internet, ever heard of Ebay or Audiogon or even our CP Flea Market?
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,475
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    Keiko wrote: »
    Humorous :D

    Don't you think it is? I do and I am a new guy
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    SO be a little more specific.Who and what is ?
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,475
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    Embarrassing
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    ND13 wrote: »
    Hell, I can hear a dog whistle :D and that annoying high pitched sound that CRT tvs emit. But I had to have perfect hearing for my Air Force job. You're on the damn internet, ever heard of Ebay or Audiogon or even our CP Flea Market?
    So why are you here??? (I like your " had" to have good hearing.When last have you tested??
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    NJPOLKER wrote: »
    Embarrassing

    who is and what is and why??
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  • davidk0512
    davidk0512 Posts: 157
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    seafire wrote: »
    who is and what is and why??

    What do ya'll think about the government takeover of GM?
    David
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
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    Are you guys still here? Time to get a pizza, a beer, and perhaps a life?
    Currently orbiting Bowie's Blackstar.!

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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
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    seafire wrote: »
    So why are you here??? (I like your " had" to have good hearing.When last have you tested??

    I had my hearing checked less than a year ago after I had a staph infection that had entered into my ear canal from my mouth. Results were above normal.

    Thanks for your interest in my hearing health.

    I can still hear a dog whistle, can you?
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  • davidk0512
    davidk0512 Posts: 157
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    Sorry, I couldn't resist. I've been entertained by this thread for days.
    David
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    Keiko wrote: »
    I think seamonkey is an embarrassment to himself. And I find it amusing watching him dig himself deeper.
    YOU are nothing short of a moron.Scroll back on your posts...you ride on other peoples opinions because you don't have your own.Your contribution is only one thing insults.I will call Polk Audio today and ask them to review this thread and decide...because as far as I am concerned I will rip all the Polk stuff out and throw it in the trash can before supporting oxygen thieves like you on there site.And believe me I can afford too:mad:
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    ND13 wrote: »
    I had my hearing checked less than a year ago after I had a staph infection that had entered into my ear canal from my mouth. Results were above normal.

    Thanks for your interest in my hearing health.

    I can still hear a dog whistle, can you?
    yeah what through a 1000 watt amp! kidding yes I can just just;)
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  • ND13
    ND13 Posts: 7,601
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    Make sure to put it all up for sale in our Flea Market.:rolleyes: Or since you can afford it, give it all to me.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,475
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    Hey guys enough is enough
    We can't afford to have people like this polluting our forum. Ignoring them after they puke is all that needs to happen.
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    I own some Polk audio gear that drives my HT.But the level of integrity on this forum has me very frustrated....I dont mind intelligent questioning but responses like that of Keiko and kie I find hard to digest.I may be out off line sometimes but I really do try and contribute unlike others who's thread replies I have checked from the beginning ...one rude insult after the other
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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    So were is everybody now?? common Keiko some more comments I need more proof
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
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    seafire wrote: »
    I own some Polk audio gear that drives my HT.But the level of integrity on this forum has me very frustrated....I dont mind intelligent questioning but responses like that of Keiko and kie I find hard to digest.I may be out off line sometimes but I really do try and contribute unlike others who's thread replies I have checked from the beginning ...one rude insult after the other

    Blow it out your hind end. You know exactly what you are doing. You just joined, and most of your almost 200 posts are here in a cable thread:rolleyes: Guys he is just playing with you. Ignore the instigator. I wouldn't be surprised if he was bait for some red letters, or a blast from the past visiting from another IP. Again ignore him, and he will go away.
    Cheers
    Ben
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  • F1nut
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    seafire wrote: »
    I will call Polk Audio today and ask them to review this thread and decide...because as far as I am concerned I will rip all the Polk stuff out and throw it in the trash can before supporting oxygen thieves like you on there site.And believe me I can afford too:mad:

    Hilarious!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
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    seafire wrote: »
    . . . If you are interested or anybody else for that matter I can give you some interesting designs with cat 5. Easy to make and cheap and then all can draw their own conclusions. So whoever is interested let me know ..pm or email if you like . . .

    Just post the designs.
    seafire wrote: »
    I have another design which I found worked very well but is a pain in the butt. This involves stripping the whole cable ... straightening all the twisted pairs and only winding three turns per foot or 1 turn every 10cm.Very painstaking I might add.This was out and out the best sounding but again in percentage maybe a 1-2 % improvement. I am the lazy type and would rather find that somewhere else.Another interesting combination is HQ 4mm OFC stranded copper on the lows and twisted pair cat 5 on the highs.This seemed to work well with woofers 12' and up;)

    Hmmm, maybe there is a reason to pay up for decent cables for those of us who want that extra % gain. I guess you realize there is a high value to all of those hours and hours of labor that come into play with a specific design?
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,711
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    seafire wrote: »
    I will call Polk Audio today and ask them to review this thread and decide...because as far as I am concerned I will rip all the Polk stuff out and throw it in the trash can before supporting oxygen thieves like you on there site.And believe me I can afford too:mad:

    OH NO, not the dreaded "I pissed in my own sandbox and now I have to throw out all the sand" waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa........waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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  • seafire
    seafire Posts: 459
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    ben62670 wrote: »
    Blow it out your hind end. You know exactly what you are doing. You just joined, and most of your almost 200 posts are here in a cable thread:rolleyes: Guys he is just playing with you. Ignore the instigator. I wouldn't be surprised if he was bait for some red letters, or a blast from the past visiting from another IP. Again ignore him, and he will go away.
    Cheers
    Ben
    Hello Ben.The difference is I have no hidden agenda I am not selling speaker cable or interconnects like yourself on the forum!I have shared all my theories with the forum including the cat 5 cables.I just phoned Polk and they seem to be closed.I seem to have the time wrong for Maryland but we will see What the outcome of this whole issue is.The same with the whole Sunfire debacle a lot of rude slandering of which you were part of.Believe me I am not going to go away.You people are rude and obnoxious and I think Polk audio needs to take a rethink on putting their name behind something a s ridiculous as this
    kind regards
    will be seeing you again Seafire;)
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