17yr old shot dead next street from me

hearingimpared

TECHNOKID wrote: »

More likely a COWARD!

You are insane. The homeowner was a coward for protecting his family and home? I said it before. Someone breaks into my home and they have a 54 year old, over the hill madman with a huge baseball bat to contend with as I don't own a gun. I don't give a damn how old or how drunk or how well dressed he is he is going down with as many blows as I can muster and I would be in my full rights to do so protecting my wife, child, home and my dog.

hearingimpared

F1nut wrote: »

I've read a lot of stupid comments on here over the years, but yours takes the cake. I've got $10.00 that says you'd crap your shorts before you even got to a phone. :rolleyes:

That would be all the proof of a real coward.

snow

hearingimpared wrote: »

You are insane. The homeowner was a coward for protecting his family and home? I said it before. Someone breaks into my home and they have a 54 year old, over the hill madman with a huge baseball bat to contend with. I don't give a damn how old or how drunk or how well dressed he is he is going down with as many blows as I can muster and I would be in my full rights to do so protecting my wife, child, home and my dog.

+1 Batter Up




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Ricardo

It's just funny how some people talk like experts about situations they have never experienced. Just be grateful for never being in a position that forces you to end a life.

Jstas

Ricardo wrote: »

It's just funny how some people talk like experts about situations they have never experienced. Just be grateful for never being in a position that forces you to end a life.

Ed Zachary.

Being in a fight sucks enough. Fights hurt both sides both physically and mentally. Having to use lethal force...can't imagine the difficulty in dealing with the mental and emotional aftermath. I feel bad if I hurt someone giving birthday punches! I don't want to fight anyone, I want the mental midgets who have to resort to violence to leave me the hell alone. I got better things to do with my time. But sometimes, someone just doesn't get it and you have to dispense with them. The kid didn't get it, pops dispensed with him. Now kid is dead and pops is probably struggling with that thought alone.

TECHNOKID

5. The home owner obviously told him to leave as well as the FIRST person who he walked in on. The guy who shot him was not first in line to encounter him.

Odd, the first person happend to be a female and she scared him and he actually walked (ran??) away from her as she was pursuing him. I find this very odd. Jtas, your post does make sense, I would too try to protect my self/family vigorously but as you mention, I would use anything close by to "do something to incapacitate the individual myself". No where you mention killing him but you do mention making sure the odds are on your side which I agree and this doesn't have to result to killing. There has been mention of baseball bat, 2x4, metal bar or tool etc... My saying is don't miss or I won't so of course the other way around is also true and yes, you are right as this is also true;

Would I be able to swing it fast enough? Maybe, maybe not. But if it's a maybe not, I probably wouldn't have had a chance with a gun either.

I've got $10.00 that says you'd crap your shorts before you even got to a phone.

Not even worth an answer :rolleyes:

I hope you don't have anyone under your care; they're as good as dead if anything happens.

As a single father, I raised my 2 sons and they are far from dead but ratter healthy thank you. I always protected them without resulting to killing. However, I guess I had enough brain to choose a neighborhood that put the odds on both my and their sides as much as possible. Again, thank God I live in Canada, and somewhat pretty safe part of it too

Just out of curiosty what would you have done?

In all honesty, it is hard to say (unless you simply dump it without thinking or just to say something). One thing for sure it is a fact that I wouldn't have used a personnal gun as I don't own any and it was a choice I made many years ago (I almost did for hunting purpose but change my mind after thinking about the seriousness/responsibilties everyone has toward weapon owning). Since I was in the military, I kept the shooting pleasure for the range where the danger was seriously considered and kept to a minimum while innocent victims were also kept away from any potential irreversable damage).

As Jtas mentioned (being 53 my self) I would have tried to quickly grab the closest "home made weapon" to put the advantage on my side. But who really know, what would exactly happend and what the end result would have been but as someone mentioned earlier, I would live much more peacefully afterward if I killed accidentally then simply aimed a weapon with the goal of killing.

I guess we all have to make a personnal decision on our own actions during such circomstances and we personnally have to live with it. For some people it might not be that hard to live after a cold kill when they can justify it with self defense but we are not all made of the same wood (to be moderate in my comment).

Cheers!
TK

apphd

Jstas wrote: »

Classy.
..........
See, the problem with TECHNOKID, apphd and slowpolky is that you silly folks think this would have been a fair fight and the intruder could be reasoned with.

Not sure if you have me mixed up with someone else, or just couldn't comprehend what I wrote.
Actually I never made my personal feelings known about this one way or the other as, other than some early news reports, I feel I don't know enough about what happened to say much about it.

I've seen many make absurd comments on both view points. Too many people have watched too much TV and have a false impression of the law/their rights and how safe they are from either self defense or police protection.

zombie boy 2000

nooshinjohn wrote: »

I am just done here with this thread. Perhaps we should thank this guy for performing a retroactive abortion. I bet the people upset by the death of this 17 year old would have given less than a F@#K if the kid was aborted in the first place.

Put me squarely in the camp of those who would aggressively support their family and loved ones. However, it's posts like the one above which lead me to believe that there are three sides being expressed in this debate. "Retroactive abortion"?!? Let's not forget that their was loss of human life here - more than likely abetted by drugs or alcohol. Something tells me some of you have another agenda here as made evident by throwing in words such as "thug" or "jiggy".

Would I be the first to pull the trigger if something like this ever happened to me and my family? Hell yes! Would I spend the rest of my days with a ****-eating grin on my face? Jesus... I wouldn't want to even find myself in the same room with such an individual.

There's a world of difference between doing the honorable, courageous thing and taking some sort of sick delight in vigilante justice.

And well said, Ricardo.

hearingimpared

Ricardo wrote: »

It's just funny how some people talk like experts about situations they have never experienced. Just be grateful for never being in a position that forces you to end a life.

Ric, back in the '80s my house was broken into whilst we were sleeping. I had a gun at the time but it wasn't loaded and the ammo was in another part of the house. I pulled out a sword I had under the bed ran down stairs in my underwear and chased the **** around my house swinging the sword wildly. The punk made it out the door and I chased him for two blocks in my bare feet with just my undies on. I was in my early thirty's then and I would do the same now without the chasing down the block business cause I'm out of shape. I guarantee you however, I will be swinging a large bat until I hit my mark or the punk gets out alive. Then would I call 911.

hearingimpared

TECHNOKID wrote: »

I guess we all have to make a personnal decision on our own actions during such circomstances and we personnally have to live with it. For some people it might not be that hard to live after a cold kill when they can justify it with self defense but we are not all made of the same wood (to be moderate in my comment).

Cheers!
TK

This wasn't a cold kill. It was a guy protecting his family and home.

bobman1235

TECHNOKID wrote: »

However, I guess I had enough brain to choose a neighborhood that put the odds on both my and their sides as much as possible. Again, thank God I live in Canada, and somewhat pretty safe part of it too

Maybe you should thank God you had the choice; not everyone chooses where they live / end up, you know.

For some people it might not be that hard to live after a cold kill when they can justify it with self defense but we are not all made of the same wood (to be moderate in my comment).

I doubt many people who HAVE had to do what this guy did don't find it hard to live with. I can't imagine having to take another life in self-defense or in any situation, but just because it would be difficult to live with doesn't mean it's not the right decision when it comes to protection. Which is exactly what I said earlier; just because it's a difficult thing to do, or doesn't leave a great taste in your mouth, doesn't mean that, at the time, it wasn't the correct decision. Just like no one can know your circumstances, you can't possibly know the real circumstances in this case, but again, you immediately sided with the criminal, and against the person whose house was BROKEN INTO, and who was ASSAULTED in his own home by a drunk gangbanger.

TECHNOKID

there's a world of difference between doing the honorable, courageous thing and taking some sort of sick delight in vigilante justice.

+1,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nooshinjohn

zombie boy 2000 wrote: »

Retroactive abortion"?!? Let's not forget that their was loss of human life here.

I was being sarcastic with my post. Sorry that you missed that. In the case of killing someone... I am not a religious man by any means, but the taking of a life by a gun, knife or other means to me is no different than taking a life by calling it a medical proceedure.:eek: And I thought part of the hypocratic(hypocritic) oath was to do no harm

NJPOLKER

hearingimpared wrote: »

Ric, back in the '80s my house was broken into whilst we were sleeping. I had a gun at the time but it wasn't loaded and the ammo was in another part of the house. I pulled out a sword I had under the bed ran down stairs in my underwear and chased the **** around my house swinging the sword wildly. The punk made it out the door and I chased him for two blocks in my bare feet with just my undies on. I was in my early thirty's then and I would do the same now without the chasing down the block business cause I'm out of shape. I guarantee you however, I will be swinging a large bat until I hit my mark or the punk gets out alive. Then would I call 911.

Joe,
You should have been arrested for indecent exposure \

Would you guys who say the guy was wrong for shooting the punk feel better if he beat his brains out a baseball bat?

NJPOLKER

TECHNOKID wrote: »

+1,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Were you born ignorant or did you have to work on it?

slowpolky

taking life's is bad.......mmmmk

NJPOLKER

slowpolky wrote: »

taking life's is bad.......mmmmk

Where did you go to school? Your grammar and spelling is really bad. I thought mine was kind of poor but you take the cake. The name you picked really fits you well.

slowpolky

as ive said, grammar and spelling isnt the issue , opinions are. If an opinion is a reflection of ones personality ,then you dont have much of either njpolker

NJPOLKER

slowpolky wrote: »

as ive said, grammar and spelling isnt the issue , opinions are. If an opinion is a reflection of ones personality ,then you dont have much of either njpolker

Do you have any idea what you just said? I stand by what I said and you just proved my point, thank you.

NotaSuv

5 pages of replies and 1440 views wasted on a punk who was legally shot and killed inside of someone elses home............and now this has turned into a troll fest................and only 182 views on a thread of true hero who lost his life while trying to save others..................go figure..............

slowly I can only imagine what your facebook page looks like..........:rolleyes:

slowpolky

do you know that your a troll for saying that , nota

slowpolky

stick to the opinions on the issue at hand, lets not nit pick each other

apphd

hearingimpared wrote: »

Ric, back in the '80s my house was broken into whilst we were sleeping. I had a gun at the time but it wasn't loaded and the ammo was in another part of the house. I pulled out a sword I had under the bed ran down stairs in my underwear and chased the **** around my house swinging the sword wildly. The punk made it out the door and I chased him for two blocks in my bare feet with just my undies on. I was in my early thirty's then and I would do the same now without the chasing down the block business cause I'm out of shape. I guarantee you however, I will be swinging a large bat until I hit my mark or the punk gets out alive. Then would I call 911.

You are a very lucky man. If he had been armed with a firearm, you probably would not be here to tell the story. The world has gotten pretty frigged up, too many scumbags that would not hesitate to kill for $5 or to be initiated in a gang. If you are going to defend your home (which a vast majority do, that's why it's still legal) do it right. Get a 12 gauge pump with the shortest legal barrel you can find and some buck shot. Less chance of injury to others on the other side of walls etc. easier to hit what you want in the dark under very stressful situations and there is a very strong psychological advantage you have over an intruder when they hear you cycle a pump action to chamber a round.

hearingimpared

apphd wrote: »

You are a very lucky man. If he had been armed with a firearm, you probably would not be here to tell the story. The world has gotten pretty frigged up, too many scumbags that would not hesitate to kill for $5 or to be initiated in a gang. If you are going to defend your home (which a vast majority do, that's why it's still legal) do it right. Get a 12 gauge pump with the shortest legal barrel you can find and some buck shot. Less chance of injury to others on the other side of walls etc. easier to hit what you want in the dark under very stressful situations and there is a very strong psychological advantage you have over an intruder when they hear you cycle a pump action to chamber a round.

I am lucky. I've been shot under the arm and stabbed in the shoulder. It still doesn't deter me from protecting my family and home.

I can't have a gun in the house. I have a very curious 12 year old whom I can't trust to keep his hands to himself. Even if the ammo was locked up and out of his reach which BTW renders the gun useless in case of a break in so I don't have one.

NJPOLKER

apphd wrote: »

You are a very lucky man. If he had been armed with a firearm, you probably would not be here to tell the story. The world has gotten pretty frigged up, too many scumbags that would not hesitate to kill for $5 or to be initiated in a gang. If you are going to defend your home (which a vast majority do, that's why it's still legal) do it right. Get a 12 gauge pump with the shortest legal barrel you can find and some buck shot. Less chance of injury to others on the other side of walls etc. easier to hit what you want in the dark under very stressful situations and there is a very strong psychological advantage you have over an intruder when they hear you cycle a pump action to chamber a round.

I agree with everything but the buck shot part. For up close work low brass bird shot works fine. The size of shot can be increased if the owner wants more penetration and this is a legit concern especially in winter when scumbags wear heavy clothes. By using bird shot you limit the chance of over penetration and those little bb's don't penetrate walls very well if some miss the intended target. The low bass shells will help with limiting muzzle flash and recoil. Can you imagine the mess a surgeon would have to work on when 100 little bb's have penetrated a guys torso from the distance of maybe 10 feet? Beautiful

snow

NotaSuv wrote: »

5 pages of replies and 1440 views wasted on a punk who was legally shot and killed inside of someone elses home............and now this has turned into a troll fest................and only 182 views on a thread of true hero who lost his life while trying to save others..................go figure..............

slowly I can only imagine what your facebook page looks like..........:rolleyes:

What makes you think these are wasted views? I think we all learned something here, well most of us anyways. BTW I viewed your thread about the helicopter pilot also.



REGARDS SNOW

slowpolky

beautiful? why?

snow

slowpolky wrote: »

beautiful? why?

Huh?




REGARDS SNOW

Kex

hearingimpared wrote: »

... I pulled out a sword I had under the bed ran down stairs in my underwear and chased the **** around my house swinging the sword wildly. The punk made it out the door and I chased him for two blocks in my bare feet with just my undies on. ...

He he! Did somebody steal this material to write a scene for a Mel Gibson movie?!

TECHNOKID

NJPOLKER wrote: »

I agree with everything but the buck shot part. For up close work low brass bird shot works fine. The size of shot can be increased if the owner wants more penetration and this is a legit concern especially in winter when scumbags wear heavy clothes. By using bird shot you limit the chance of over penetration and those little bb's don't penetrate walls very well if some miss the intended target. The low bass shells will help with limiting muzzle flash and recoil. Can you imagine the mess a surgeon would have to work on when 100 little bb's have penetrated a guys torso from the distance of maybe 10 feet? Beautiful

I really wonder where ignorance is, look in the mirror :rolleyes:

If not having the killer instinct in my gene makes me an ignorant then I am proud of it. I wouldn't like to have your machiavelic intelligence of how to properly kill the hopefully intruder coming to my house! Some twisted minds out there, let me tell you :eek: