17yr old shot dead next street from me
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Someone broke into their house and it is they that are f*cks?JohnLocke88 wrote: »Did these f*cks ever call the police? Is it that hard to hold a gun on someone whose unarmed when someone else calls the cops?
[/QUOTE]Presented with the facts on hand, I have no problem seeing the shooter go to prison for murder, or at least manslaughter.[/QUOTE]
So long as the kids parents and whoever was responsible for getting the kid drunk are charged as accessories to murder... ok
[/QUOTE]That said, I guess the next time a middle school kid comes down my walk way to sell something for a fundraiser, I can blow him away if he gets "rowdy" and lunges at me.[/QUOTE]
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thats messed up john ,but totaly seems to be similar to what happend imo
Is there a news article yet? I have a hard time believing we are being presented with all the facts. -
You didn't know? He's a K-Mart security guard.nooshinjohn wrote: »hmmmm.. and why would you have a set of handcuffs in the house?....... wait, I don't even want to know:eek::p
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father says "he murdered my son
Joel LaFromboise was supposed to be home at midnight.
But six minutes past his curfew Saturday, the Moorhead teen lay dying in a stranger’s apartment from a gunshot wound to his chest.
LaFromboise had gone uninvited into Vernon Allen’s apartment. A struggle ensued when he didn’t leave, and Allen, 47, shot the 17-year-old after he grabbed the barrel of the .12-gauge shotgun, Allen told The Forum.
Usually LaFromboise is the last one home, locking the door behind him. So when he didn’t come home, mother Cynthia Homesky began to worry.
There was still no word from her son as the day went on Saturday, so she called police at 3:17 p.m. to report him missing.
“Fifteen minutes later the police came back to her house and said there was a shooting in the area and it was my son that was shot and killed,” LaFromboise’s father, Ralph, told The Forum on Sunday.
Ralph LaFromboise spent Father’s Day reeling in shock, making funeral arrangements for his eldest son instead of tending the grill.
“You can’t describe how it feels to lose a son or one of your children,” he said. “You expect to die before they do. I moved my kids from Minneapolis to Fargo to keep them out of trouble.”
The family isn’t sure why Joel LaFromboise wandered into at least three strangers’ apartments before his death. He does have friends in the area of Romkey Park, just down the street from the apartment complex at 1103 19th St. S. where he died.
Witnesses have described Joel LaFromboise as possibly being under the influence of something, saying he was unresponsive.
Family members say they don’t believe he was using drugs or alcohol.
“My son was a good kid,” Homesky said. “He didn’t go looking for trouble.”
Standing at 6 foot 3, Joel LaFromboise could be seen as threatening, which is misleading, his father said, calling his son a role model to younger teens he befriended who “looked up to him.”
“People felt like he was intimidating just because he was a big kid,” Ralph LaFromboise said.
Police have said Allen will not face criminal charges at this time in connection with the shooting, which angers Joel LaFromboise’s family.
“I’m upset that nothing’s happening to this guy,” Ralph LaFromboise said. “He murdered my son. My son’s a juvenile, this is a grown man, he can’t be scared of my son. My son didn’t have no weapon.”
Allen told The Forum on Saturday that he shot Joel LaFromboise after the teen grabbed the barrel of the gun and would not leave, saying he pulled the trigger out of fear the gun would be turned on him.
That doesn’t make sense to Ralph LaFromboise.
“If he can reach his shotgun, how come he can’t reach his telephone and call 911?” the father asked. “Maybe he could have just shot to scare him.”
Joel LaFromboise would have been a senior at Moorhead High School this fall. The family moved to Moorhead this past month from Fargo, where Joel LaFromboise had attended Woodrow Wilson Community High School.
The teen, whom friends and family called “J ROC,” loved to draw and enjoyed writing and playing music on his guitar. He liked to make jokes, ride his bike and play video games.
Family members expect to have a funeral Wednesday, and are still working to break the news to family members in Minnesota and Wisconsin.
“I’m having a hard time, like reeling,” Ralph LaFromboise said. “It hasn’t sank in with me yet.” -
Is there a news article yet? I have a hard time believing we are being presented with all the facts.
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Again, did they try to call the cops; Seems whoever had the gun was a little to happy to be judge jury and executioner. Again, presented with the facts on hand, this person did not walk in the house, and go straight for someone's throat. Whoever grabbed the gun, had time to get it, and presumably felt safe enough to not rush the invader right upon his entry.nooshinjohn wrote: »Someone broke into their house and it is they that are f*cks?nooshinjohn wrote: »
So long as the kids parents and whoever was responsible for getting the kid drunk are charged as accessories to murder... ok
I'd say reckless endangerment may be in order; but not accessories to murder. If the kid killed someone with one of his parent's guns, that's a distinct possibility. The fact remains, neither of the parents pulled the trigger.
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EDIT: These posts are really not worth it, but it's easy to get sucked into them because they are highly charged debate topics.
If anyone here has taken a life in self defense, then they know it is not something that they would have preferred to do. It is the cavalier attitude towards death and the celebration of it in some of these responses that truly troubles me. Is the taking of life in self defense justifiable? Absolutely. Was it in this case? Possibly, but most likely not. Others may have different opinions, and I doubt they know what it is to kill another human being.
This guy (the shooter) will be haunted with this for the rest of his life, and rightfully so. Every other possible action he could have taken or option he could have pursued will replay itself over and over again, and he deserves it. (Again, assuming we are not missing something, which we probably are.) -
To detain kids that are refusing to leave my house after I knocked a little sense into them or kinky sex take your pick:p . It sounds to me from the most recent story this 6' 3 kid not only refused to leave but was struggling with the homeowner when shot, there is no doubt in my mind the homeowner was scared out of his mind and felt there was no recourse but to shoot.nooshinjohn wrote: »hmmmm.. and why would you have a set of handcuffs in the house?....... wait, I don't even want to know:eek::p
When I was 17 I was 6'5 and almost 300 lbs most people would have been scared of me also if I was in there house acting crazy.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but news articles tend to be a bit shy on details of neighborhood murders too...
I understand that but we're working neighborhood gossip right now. -
Can't comment much on the story until more is known. But would like to offer some advice.
For the most part police are not here to stop crime or protect us. They are here to catch the bad guys after the fact.
If you are not willing and able to shoot someone dead in self defense, and live with the consequences (legal and mental/emotional). Do not purchase a firearm for self defense, you are putting yourself in greater risk.
If you are ever faced in the unfortunate circumstance of needing to use deadly force, you shoot to kill and do not stop shooting until you know the threat no longer exists. If you can make the decision to intentionally wound someone you have no right to pull the trigger as you couldn't have felt very threatened.
If you choose to arm yourself for defense, find out the laws for your state as they vary from state to state. Then no matter how much hunting or shooting you have done, GET PROFFESIONAL TRAINING in using a firearm for defense.
Understand "Fight or Flight" how it can effect you in many different ways physically and emotionally. Understand how the law in your state looks at it from the legal side. -
I understand that but we're working neighborhood gossip right now.
That's what people do on forums.
For the most part police are not here to stop crime or protect us. They are here to catch the bad guys after the fact.
What does this have anything to do with the article? I think your argument is that the cops wouldn't do anything...? But the kid DID commit a crime: "breaking and entering". Well, he didn't break anything, but he did enter. Therefore, cops would be there asap.
If you are arguing that things tend to happen before cops get there... sure, they do. But shoot first, ask later? I would have to concur with John and add that I am rather appalled at people's celebratory reactions here.SDA 1C, SDA 2A, SDA SRS 2, CMT-340SE, Swan M200MKII, Swan D1080MKII, Behringer MS40
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father says "he murdered my son
Joel LaFromboise was supposed to be home at midnight.
But six minutes past his curfew Saturday, the Moorhead teen lay dying in a stranger’s apartment from a gunshot wound to his chest.
LaFromboise had gone uninvited into Vernon Allen’s apartment. A struggle ensued when he didn’t leave, and Allen, 47, shot the 17-year-old after he grabbed the barrel of the .12-gauge shotgun, Allen told The Forum.
Usually LaFromboise is the last one home, locking the door behind him. So when he didn’t come home, mother Cynthia Homesky began to worry.
There was still no word from her son as the day went on Saturday, so she called police at 3:17 p.m. to report him missing.
“Fifteen minutes later the police came back to her house and said there was a shooting in the area and it was my son that was shot and killed,” LaFromboise’s father, Ralph, told The Forum on Sunday.
Ralph LaFromboise spent Father’s Day reeling in shock, making funeral arrangements for his eldest son instead of tending the grill.
“You can’t describe how it feels to lose a son or one of your children,” he said. “You expect to die before they do. I moved my kids from Minneapolis to Fargo to keep them out of trouble.”
The family isn’t sure why Joel LaFromboise wandered into at least three strangers’ apartments before his death. He does have friends in the area of Romkey Park, just down the street from the apartment complex at 1103 19th St. S. where he died.
Witnesses have described Joel LaFromboise as possibly being under the influence of something, saying he was unresponsive.
Family members say they don’t believe he was using drugs or alcohol.
“My son was a good kid,” Homesky said. “He didn’t go looking for trouble.”
Standing at 6 foot 3, Joel LaFromboise could be seen as threatening, which is misleading, his father said, calling his son a role model to younger teens he befriended who “looked up to him.”
“People felt like he was intimidating just because he was a big kid,” Ralph LaFromboise said.
Police have said Allen will not face criminal charges at this time in connection with the shooting, which angers Joel LaFromboise’s family.
“I’m upset that nothing’s happening to this guy,” Ralph LaFromboise said. “He murdered my son. My son’s a juvenile, this is a grown man, he can’t be scared of my son. My son didn’t have no weapon.”
Allen told The Forum on Saturday that he shot Joel LaFromboise after the teen grabbed the barrel of the gun and would not leave, saying he pulled the trigger out of fear the gun would be turned on him.
That doesn’t make sense to Ralph LaFromboise.
“If he can reach his shotgun, how come he can’t reach his telephone and call 911?” the father asked. “Maybe he could have just shot to scare him.”
Joel LaFromboise would have been a senior at Moorhead High School this fall. The family moved to Moorhead this past month from Fargo, where Joel LaFromboise had attended Woodrow Wilson Community High School.
The teen, whom friends and family called “J ROC,” loved to draw and enjoyed writing and playing music on his guitar. He liked to make jokes, ride his bike and play video games.
Family members expect to have a funeral Wednesday, and are still working to break the news to family members in Minnesota and Wisconsin.
“I’m having a hard time, like reeling,” Ralph LaFromboise said. “It hasn’t sank in with me yet.”
Why are these idiots talking to the newspapers? And why don't they have lawyers? Just because there won't be any criminal charges filed, doesn't mean Mr. Allen is out of the woods yet. If the parents of the kid had any brains, they'd be filing a wrongful death civil suit ASAP -
i would have made him a sandwich.. A sandwich always makes things better
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According to all the info so far it wasnt like that. Supposedly after he had been asked to leave and didnt the owner picked up a shotgun then the kid fought for control of it and got shot. It wasnt like he blasted the kid as he came through the door without giving him a chance to depart with his skin intact :rolleyes:But shoot first, ask later?
REGARDS SNOWWell, I just pulled off the impossible by doing a double-blind comparison all by myself, purely by virtue of the fact that I completely and stupidly forgot what I did last. I guess that getting old does have its advantages after all -
We need more facts. What really happened, etc. This is a very emotionally charged issue but who knows what happened. A hot head with a gun or just some guy protecting his family?
If the guy dusted this kid when all he did was wander in by mistake, charge the hell out of him.
If the kid was threatening or belligerent, give the guy (the shooter) the benefit of the doubt.:D Chris -
That's what people do on forums.
What does this have anything to do with the article? ...........
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As I stated right out of the gate I was making no comment about the story as I would rather wait until more details are available.
I was only responding to the numerous different comments that had been posted.
Too many people feel overly and wrongly "safe" because of police protection. No matter where you are, look at the number of police to the population. It is impossible for those numbers to work in protecting everyone all the time no matter how hard they try. Hence you (anyone) may want to think how they choose to protect themselves.
No celebrating here just commenting with what I consider some good advice. -
17 years of living and wasted it over booze..... shame!!I am 100% BORN DEAF and No I am not kidding! Why am I here? My wife's hearing!
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i cant stop laughin at bruss ,
i would have made him a sandwich.. A sandwich always makes things better
thats so funny and brightens up this dark thread -
As I stated right out of the gate I was making no comment about the story as I would rather wait until more details are available.
I was only responding to the numerous different comments that had been posted.
Too many people feel overly and wrongly "safe" because of police protection. No matter where you are, look at the number of police to the population. It is impossible for those numbers to work in protecting everyone all the time no matter how hard they try. Hence you (anyone) may want to think how they choose to protect themselves.
No celebrating here just commenting with what I consider some good advice.
Maybe you could try living in a better neighborhood?:D:D:D -
According to all the info so far it wasnt like that. Supposedly after he had been asked to leave and didnt the owner picked up a shotgun then the kid fought for control of it and got shot. It wasnt like he blasted the kid as he came through the door without giving him a chance to depart with his skin intact :rolleyes:
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I wasn't talking about the guy in the article. I was talking about the responses in this thread. Just startles me how people in the thread say they would have done the same thing. No warning shot. No calling the police. Just shot him. Even the wife didn't go to call the police until after the boy was shot.SDA 1C, SDA 2A, SDA SRS 2, CMT-340SE, Swan M200MKII, Swan D1080MKII, Behringer MS40
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Monday morning quarterbacks. The passing situation always looks
easier when you don't have a linebacker rushing you.
The kid screwed up. Big time. Did he refused to leave, that's a hard
one to call. The only witness is the shooter and his family.
Alcohol and drugs could of been the cause, but tests and witnesses
from earlier in the evening may be key. As to the father's statements,
ax murderer's parents have said the same thing. So It's going to take
time for an answer to come forth.
Shooting to wound? IF you feel deadly force is needed, always shoot to kill.
End of story. Either you need to shoot, or don't. It sounds cold hearted,
but that's the way it is. Look up the term "deadly force".
If you are in peril,shoot to kill. Or don't shoot at all, which is always the
best solution if possible. That's the only real issue here.
It doesn't matter if he was 17, was a choirboy, and an eagle scout.
If he blundered indrunk and dazed-not justified. If came it drunk and
aggresive, whole other story."The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson -
Maybe you could try living in a better neighborhood?:D:D:D
I live in a great neighborhood:D My town has 2 red lights, and until last year 1 police cruiser. If I dial 911 the call goes to the county, then they have to contact who ever is on duty/call, wake him up (except for weekends no 24 hr coverage). The reason for this is crime is almost non existent here. But I know no matter what, they can't get here faster than it would take for me to die -
Too many people feel overly and wrongly "safe" because of police protection. No matter where you are, look at the number of police to the population. It is impossible for those numbers to work in protecting everyone all the time no matter how hard they try. Hence you (anyone) may want to think how they choose to protect themselves.
I agree whole heartedly. It's not possible, or even a legal obligation for the police to protect you.
For your reading enjoyment I present Warren v. District of Columbia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia -
I live in a great neighborhood:D My town has 2 red lights, and until last year 1 police cruiser. If I dial 911 the call goes to the county, then they have to contact who ever is on duty/call, wake him up (except for weekends no 24 hr coverage). The reason for this is crime is almost non existent here. But I know no matter what, they can't get here faster than it would take for me to die
So if you have so little to fear, then why, uh, all the fear?
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I wasn't talking about the guy in the article. I was talking about the responses in this thread. Just startles me how people in the thread say they would have done the same thing. No warning shot. No calling the police. Just shot him. Even the wife didn't go to call the police until after the boy was shot.
Exactly where do you shoot a warning shot in an apartment full of people? From the article it doesn't look like they had time to call and wait for the police. There are times when being passive will get was killed, this situation could have very well been that time. Then we would be reading about how a family hwas killed in there own home.
How was this guy and his family to know what this kid's intent was for being in their house, what kind of weapons he may have had? If someone has broke into my house and does not leave when told AND THEN attempts to grab my firearm from me he leaves me very little options. Fight him and hope and pray you win for you and your families sake...or use your god given right to protect yourself and your love ones from someone that has just took it upon themselves to escalate the situation. -
So if you have so little to fear, then why, uh, all the fear?:(
How did my comments lead you to conclude I was fearfull?
Lots of post as to what someone thinks he or she would do in their home. I only offered up some advice to think about.
Please go back and read my post. -
I think firing a warning shot in an apartment is a great idea:rolleyes: Obviously that statement was made by someone who has never seen what a 12ga does up close. BTW it is 12ga, and not .12ga. It is not a caliber except for the .410 shotgun. 12ga means that one pound of lead will make 12 balls the diameter of the barrel of said shotgun.Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
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Too many people feel overly and wrongly "safe" because of police protection. No matter where you are, look at the number of police to the population. It is impossible for those numbers to work in protecting everyone all the time no matter how hard they try. Hence you (anyone) may want to think how they choose to protect themselves.
Sounds like your scared to me dude, why? :eek::eek::eek: -
I don't understand what the person's age has to do with anything. Teenagers have been known to commit rapes, robberies, murders, home invasions, etc. Besides, I've seen some 14 yr olds that looked like they were 24. What exactly is the significance of the victim being 17? Were the homeowners supposed to say, 'oh gee, he's a teenager....he's no harm'?2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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Sounds like your scared to me dude, why? :eek::eek::eek:
I rest my caseJohnLocke88 wrote: »I agree whole heartedly. It's not possible, or even a legal obligation for the police to protect you.
For your reading enjoyment I present Warren v. District of Columbia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
My original commentsCan't comment much on the story until more is known. But would like to offer some advice.
For the most part police are not here to stop crime or protect us. They are here to catch the bad guys after the fact.
If you are not willing and able to shoot someone dead in self defense, and live with the consequences (legal and mental/emotional). Do not purchase a firearm for self defense, you are putting yourself in greater risk.
If you are ever faced in the unfortunate circumstance of needing to use deadly force, you shoot to kill and do not stop shooting until you know the threat no longer exists. If you can make the decision to intentionally wound someone you have no right to pull the trigger as you couldn't have felt very threatened.
If you choose to arm yourself for defense, find out the laws for your state as they vary from state to state. Then no matter how much hunting or shooting you have done, GET PROFFESIONAL TRAINING in using a firearm for defense.
Understand "Fight or Flight" how it can effect you in many different ways physically and emotionally. Understand how the law in your state looks at it from the legal side.
You can choose to be a victom or choose not to be a victom, through many different ways.;)
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