Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,666
    edited October 2009
    I'm not the one proclaiming that I have a path to follow.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited October 2009
    mantis wrote: »
    It happens every single day. Guys walk around looking for the sound they want in there system and are not getting it due to the poor quality of speakers they own. Poor placement. Poor calibration. Poor wire management. I could go on and on here. And it's not like they have poor quality speakers , it's they are asking more out of them then they aare capable of. There are sonic limits to all speakers and trying to get high end sound of a pair of RT series speakers is just not going to happen no matter what MIT wire you have or Sunfire amp you power them with. Lsi's have there limits although they benefit from higher end amps and other gear. You get more out of them because they offer more. It's simple really.

    I have been watching people on this forum make mistake after mistake trying to get to a level of sonic perfection with so so speakers. Buying amps and separates , high end wire and all kinds of crazy things when the problem lays elsewhere.

    I'm not hating on anyone's gear , I'm just point out that maybe the better sound you are looking for doesn't rest in MIT wires or that beautiful Sunfire monster amp. Maybe if you have a higher quality speaker and a good placement , you just might find what your ears are telling you to get. It's funny and I feel bad for some but you can only show them the path , you can't walk it for them.

    End Rant. Carry on.

    In my case, its about the money....I squeeze all I can out of what I have.
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    sTiLlLeArNiNg wrote: »
    finally some GOOD info getting into the thread! :D

    yummeh yummeh ta ta's :)

    Nice. What's a wonderful view to see. Who needs 1080p !
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    In my case, its about the money....I squeeze all I can out of what I have.

    Please enlighten me not in term of fancy laws of physics and electronics, I am an old caveman but really love hi-end audio. I own a pair of Martin Logan Sl3, should I drive them with a Carver amps or a Krell amps ? Or amp is just an amp that function is only to amplify the input signal? I really like to hear from your actual experiment not some spec or data print out. Sincerely, Andrew Doan.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited October 2009
    Wtf?
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    Wtf?

    WTF? Not too nice . My fault. Must be another Knucklehead from AVS forum.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited October 2009
    never visited the "other" forum
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    Knucklehead wrote: »
    never visited the "other" forum

    Cheer brother! I thought I had him this time without a bunch of vultures with big talk but no action. My apology.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited October 2009
    No problem...thats kinda funny...
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,312
    edited October 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    I'm not the one proclaiming that I have a path to follow.

    I thought so.
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  • everpress
    everpress Posts: 862
    edited October 2009
    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    Cheer brother! I thought I had him this time without a bunch of vultures with big talk but no action. My apology.

    The internet is an awesome place.

    I hope you find your prey and troll him good, mate.

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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    Allright for those who believe there should not be any difference sounding among ICs, I would take a challenge that I would be able to identify correctly the Kimber PBJ and the Kimber Hero with the Bryston 4bsst/ BP26 or the Krell 400xi. If those who want more I would throw in also the Silverstreak. I would do it for a prize not an el cheapo bs door prize. I am tired to read all the Laws of physics and electronics and the conclusion that there is zero diffrences between or among 1 meter cables. I have been thru all the arguemental BS with a bunch of more intelligent than idiots at the AVS forum. I have been riduculed, mocked, cursed at...you named it BUT when I was about to prove to them that I was not "wrong" by identifying the Kimber Kables with a GOOD PRICE for my time and my 20 years of toying with cables, they refused ot backed out. So, here we go again, if someone who likes to read spec and data testing, I am willing to make a challenge/ bet that there are differences among the PBJ, Hero, Silver Streak and I can identify them. Not a free freak show so no free demonstration.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited October 2009
    I remember that challenge. You required that they purchase about $10,000 worth of new sealed in box equipment for the comparison, and travel to Las Vegas. You would buy the cables. If you won, you would get to keep all the equipment, if you lost you would pay your own expenses. You offerred absolutely nothing to them if you lost. You also never said anything about any type of test protocol at all, just that it would all be done on your terms, and by your rules. Very fair of you.

    What a deal, wonder why no one took you up on it?:rolleyes:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,666
    edited October 2009
    mantis wrote: »
    I thought so.

    Once again Dan, you're making no sense.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,666
    edited October 2009
    Not to worry anhchungdoan, William is one of a very few cable naysayers that we have here. Most of us know the truth.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,666
    edited October 2009
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    Life is good!
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited October 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Not to worry anhchungdoan, William is one of a very few cable naysayers that we have here. Most of us know the truth.

    My post said nothing about cables, just his claim that AVS members backed out of a challenge, which is just a lie.

    Would you like to bet on a football game? Any game, I don't care. If I win, you pay me $10,000, if you win, I'll give you nothing. What do you say?
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    I remember that challenge. You required that they purchase about $10,000 worth of new sealed in box equipment for the comparison, and travel to Las Vegas. You would buy the cables. If you won, you would get to keep all the equipment, if you lost you would pay your own expenses. You offerred absolutely nothing to them if you lost. You also never said anything about any type of test protocol at all, just that it would all be done on your terms, and by your rules. Very fair of you.

    What a deal, wonder why no one took you up on it?:rolleyes:

    Oh, Welcome. What's the chance to win the lottery, Mr. Scientist? 120 miilion to 1 , perharps? These Scientist claims there is ZERO to none defferences within 1 meter cable pair? So, by my caveman's calculation my chance of winning by these "Scientists" is....you fill win a blank, mr. ? When I have ZERO chance to win by their scientific measurement and data, why they are affraid to loose 10K ? Is it fair that a cave who will have ZERO chance to identify the three cables asking for 10K ? When a person who makes a bet has Zero chance to win, even an idiot will take a bet ? I did not take any advance stastistic classes with my BBA when I was a youngster, but I know the answer.
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited October 2009
    anhchungdoan wrote: »

    All right for those who believe there should not be any difference sounding among ICs, I would take a challenge that I would be able to identify correctly the Kimber PBJ and the Kimber Hero with the Bryston 4bsst/ BP26 or the Krell 400xi. If those who want more I would throw in also the Silverstreak.

    I would do it for a prize not an el cheapo bs door prize.

    I am tired to read all the Laws of physics and electronics and the conclusion that there is zero diffrences between or among 1 meter cables. I have been thru all the arguemental BS with a bunch of more intelligent than idiots at the AVS forum.

    I have been riduculed, mocked, cursed at...you named it BUT when I was about to prove to them that I was not "wrong" by identifying the Kimber Kables with a GOOD PRICE for my time and my 20 years of toying with cables, they refused ot backed out.

    So, here we go again, if someone who likes to read spec and data testing, I am willing to make a challenge/ bet that there are differences among the PBJ, Hero, Silver Streak and I can identify them.

    Not a free freak show so no free demonstration.

    First, I'm not sure why you sound so defensive. This is basically friendly territory as most here have open minds.

    Second, I took the liberty of adding paragraph & phrase breaks in my quote to aid in making your post legible.
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    My post said nothing about cables, just his claim that AVS members backed out of a challenge, which is just a lie.

    Would you like to bet on a football game? Any game, I don't care. If I win, you pay me $10,000, if you win, I'll give you nothing. What do you say?
    I will the same language your big brother Bruins29, here my answer: You question is a DESPARATE ATTEMPT FOR A DESPARATE MEASURE BY COMPARING FOOTBALLS AND CABLES. The difference is there will be a winning team and there will be a loosing team. I did not claim there is ZERO diffrence among cables , didn't I. Some idiotic vultures did, didn' they? Maybe I lie too. I was called a fraud, wasn't I? They wanted me to prove that they ware wrong, I gave them a challange for 2 weeks, either their balls are smaller than their mouths or they are a bunch of vultures within a small cage of their data and tesing. Also, how about the dude who probably never saw or heard the Martin Logan SL3 and the Appogee Duetta but he claimed the Carver TFM 25 will driver the SL3 and the Duetta as good as the Krell KVA 250 and again, his science's measurement told him that amp is just an amp then when I challenged this idiot, he the changed his tone and claimed the Carver is class H and the Krell is class A. AV science my **** ! I am a caveman but at least I did not misguide anyone with my idiotic and narrow frame of mind? Come on. bring your clouds over here. I am ready.
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    First, I'm not sure why you sound so defensive. This is basically friendly territory as most here have open minds.

    Second, I took the liberty of adding paragraph & phrase breaks in my quote to aid in making your post legible.

    I was attacked and mocked by these vultures once for my belief and my experiment. Reading some of the posts, I recognize " they are here" . I am not defensive but rarther anger. BTW, tks for your assistance with my writing. ESL 101 is pretty hard for immigrations.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited October 2009
    Is it fair that a cave who will have ZERO chance to identify the three cables asking for 10K ?

    Not at all, as long as you offer up the same amount if you can't.
    I did not take any advance stastistic classes with my BBA when I was a youngster, but I know the answer.

    Apparently you didn't take any english classes either.
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  • sTiLlLeArNiNg
    sTiLlLeArNiNg Posts: 805
    edited October 2009
    For what it's worth i check my ego at the forum Login page :o

    IMHO all the trolling/flamming is really very sad....
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,806
    edited October 2009
    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    I will the same language your big brother Bruins29, here my answer: You question is a DESPARATE ATTEMPT FOR A DESPARATE MEASURE BY COMPARING FOOTBALLS AND CABLES. The difference is there will be a winning team and there will be a loosing team. I did not claim there is ZERO diffrence among cables , didn't I. Some idiotic vultures did, didn' they? Maybe I lie too. I was called a fraud, wasn't I? They wanted me to prove that they ware wrong, I gave them a challange for 2 weeks, either their balls are smaller than their mouths or they are a bunch of vultures within a small cage of their data and tesing. Also, how about the dude who probably never saw or heard the Martin Logan SL3 and the Appogee Duetta but he claimed the Carver TFM 25 will driver the SL3 and the Duetta as good as the Krell KVA 250 and again, his science's measurement told him that amp is just an amp then when I challenged this idiot, he the changed his tone and claimed the Carver is class H and the Krell is class A. AV science my **** ! I am a caveman but at least I did not misguide anyone with my idiotic and narrow frame of mind? Come on. bring your clouds over here. I am ready.

    What?
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited October 2009
    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    I was attacked and mocked by these vultures once for my belief and my experiment. Reading some of the posts, I recognize " they are here" . I am not defensive but rarther anger. BTW, tks for your assistance with my writing. ESL 101 is pretty hard for immigrations.

    Great, I'm sure practice will make perfect.

    Now, for my 2 cents worth, name calling and attacking won't help your case. I'd personally tone it down a bit.

    It sounds like you have some good experience to share. I'd love to see it expressed in a non-hostile manner as I have learned a lot in this forum from those who respect, work, and play well with others.
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    Not at all, as long as you offer up the same amount if you can't.



    Apparently you didn't take any english classes either.

    Well, My "English" class is okay enough to get me a BBA. How's your "english" class ?
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    :o
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Great, I'm sure practice will make perfect.

    Now, for my 2 cents worth, name calling and attacking won't help your case. I'd personally tone it down a bit.

    It sounds like you have some good experience to share. I'd love to see it expressed in a non-hostile manner as I have learned a lot in this forum from those who respect, work, and play well with others.

    Well, I would respect my neighbour as much as he or she would respect me. Love thy neighbour, yes I do. When someone stated he/she can hear the difference among certain cablings or among amps, my response will be it's good for him/her and I wish he/she the best in finding what makes he/she a happy listener. I would not called he/she a FRAUD a LIAR before I have a valid proof. These vultures one after another one mocked, humiliated and litterally chased me as a guest out of their forum just because my belief and my experience not conforming with their "Science" square box of mind. Try it and you will see.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited October 2009
    I Love Cable threads on this board. ;)


    Pass the Pop Corn please.

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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited October 2009
    anhchungdoan wrote: »
    :o

    Well, I would respect my neighbour as much as he or she would respect me. Love thy neighbour, yes I do. When someone stated he/she can hear the difference among certain cablings or among amps, my response will be it's good for him/her and I wish he/she the best in finding what makes he/she a happy listener. I would not called he/she a FRAUD a LIAR before I have a valid proof. These vultures one after another one mocked, humiliated and litterally chased me as a guest out of their forum just because my belief and my experience not conforming with their "Science" square box of mind. Try it and you will see.

    Dude, respect will come by your framing a logical argument based upon sharing what you have done.

    What cables and interconnects are you currently using?
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  • anhchungdoan
    anhchungdoan Posts: 760
    edited October 2009
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    I Love Cable threads on this board. ;)


    Pass the Pop Corn please.
    This is a very civilized forum. Please be my guest and enter the AVS forum and stated what you believe and do not believe. If you are not "one of us", these so-called scientists will called you a LIAR a FRAUD. The humiliation is brutal and salvage that you as a guest will have to bow out. Do not take my words for it, try it and see but be a very very conformist as I warn you so.

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