Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

seafire

I'm good dude really enjoy handing out some stick like testing other peoples minds:D
Seafoam is outta here before I become seasplat....but listen to my tip of the week homie....try washing line cable you know the spring coiled one MAN it will blow your mind..the staging is outta this world

treitz3

seafire wrote: »

catch you later;)

Hopefully not.

Dude, you want the truth? Cat5 would glow red hot and probably melt with some of the systems this forum has. Take your wild imagination and imagine where to put it.

seafire

treitz3 wrote: »

Hopefully not.

Dude, you want the truth? Cat5 would glow red hot and probably melt with some of the systems this forum has. Take your wild imagination and imagine where to put it.

WHATEVER ever occurred to you that I may have one of "those systems" make cat 5 glow ..with a dead short yes otherwise I DONT THINK SO ....anyway this thread is like chewed out bubblegum and I'm spitting it out
Now dont hurt each other boys while mommy's out:p

zarrdoss

I wish Sam Kinnison was still alive and we could get him as our moderator, YOU GUYS SHUT UP! ITS F^&%$#G SPEAKER WIRE!!!!!!! AAHHH AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

SAY IT SAY IT!!!! AHHHH AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

steveinaz

ROTFLMAO! This thread has officially become useful.

blakeh

I am taking a pretty controversial position, and I know I'm going to get flamed for it, but after reading all this bickering I feel the need to lay down some truth...

Most (notice I didn't say ALL) stereo systems sound better with speaker cables than they do without speaker cables.

You can argue with me all you want, but that's the scientific truth. I don't "believe" that making an electrical connection from a power amp to a speaker sounds better, I KNOW that it does. Sure, the noisefloor is slightly more black when the cables aren't connected, but you simply can't get good, clean music out of your system without using cables to hookup your speakers.

I've done a TON of double blind A/B testing and I can tell 9 times out of 10 when my system has cables going from my amp to my speakers versus just having the speakers placed near my system without any cables connecting them. All of you a-holes out there who have never tried to disconnect your speakers and listen to them shouldn't come in here dissing those of us who have actually gone through the work of comparing the two different topologies.

Maybe I don't have all the scientific knowledge to impress you n00bs, but there's just something about current going from an amp to a speaker that makes it sound magical -- you just can't get that kind of sound without speaker cable. I use Paul Simon's "Graceland" and my reference disc, and when the speaker cables are absent I have a hard time getting enough gain to even hear the snare drums in "Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes." It's almost as if the system cannot accurately reproduce the sound (and I have a NICE amp/preamp combo). Then, I plug in some speaker wire between the amp and speakers and VIOLA! -- brilliant sound.

So go ahead and flame away. If you don't agree with my conclusions then you are obviously not into hi-fi gear. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't try to convince us audiophiles that missing speaker cables sound as good as cables that are connected.

"Reference sound is in the eye of the beholder. However, using subjective and objective measures we must all learn that plugging the effing speakers into the amp is important." -Nelson Pass

cnh

Blakeh,

Are you sure that's not William Blake?

TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night
What immortal hand or eye?
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

Me thinks that all this came to Pass--Nelson Pass, that is!

Great post!

cnh

blakeh

Oddly enough, I just posted a completely unrelated Blake quote from "The Marriage Of Heaven And Hell" (one of my favorites) to a friend's Facebook earlier today. Weird!

inspiredsports

seafire wrote: »

WHATEVER ever occurred to you that I may have one of "those systems" make cat 5 glow ..with a dead short yes otherwise I DONT THINK SO ....anyway this thread is like chewed out bubblegum and I'm spitting it out
Now dont hurt each other boys while mommy's out:p

I thought you were going to work 2 hours ago. McDonald's?

inspiredsports

blakeh wrote: »

I am taking a pretty controversial position, and I know I'm going to get flamed for it, but after reading all this bickering I feel the need to lay down some truth...

Most (notice I didn't say ALL) stereo systems sound better with speaker cables than they do without speaker cables.

You can argue with me all you want, but that's the scientific truth. I don't "believe" that making an electrical connection from a power amp to a speaker sounds better, I KNOW that it does. Sure, the noisefloor is slightly more black when the cables aren't connected, but you simply can't get good, clean music out of your system without using cables to hookup your speakers.

I've done a TON of double blind A/B testing and I can tell 9 times out of 10 when my system has cables going from my amp to my speakers versus just having the speakers placed near my system without any cables connecting them. All of you a-holes out there who have never tried to disconnect your speakers and listen to them shouldn't come in here dissing those of us who have actually gone through the work of comparing the two different topologies.

Maybe I don't have all the scientific knowledge to impress you n00bs, but there's just something about current going from an amp to a speaker that makes it sound magical -- you just can't get that kind of sound without speaker cable. I use Paul Simon's "Graceland" and my reference disc, and when the speaker cables are absent I have a hard time getting enough gain to even hear the snare drums in "Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes." It's almost as if the system cannot accurately reproduce the sound (and I have a NICE amp/preamp combo). Then, I plug in some speaker wire between the amp and speakers and VIOLA! -- brilliant sound.

So go ahead and flame away. If you don't agree with my conclusions then you are obviously not into hi-fi gear. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't try to convince us audiophiles that missing speaker cables sound as good as cables that are connected.

"Reference sound is in the eye of the beholder. However, using subjective and objective measures we must all learn that plugging the effing speakers into the amp is important." -Nelson Pass

You must have slept through my 802.11 wireless post in this thread a day or so ago

blakeh

I'll have to go back and look for that. I read most of the thread but must have missed it.

Lowell_M

edit... took the high road...

inspiredsports

blakeh wrote: »

I'll have to go back and look for that. I read most of the thread but must have missed it.

posts 130, 134

Kex

How the f*ck did Seasperm here take over from our beloved bobt?! Lousy threadjacker! At least bobt had some real genuine in depth technical knowledge of the subject to share with everyone.

cnh

Looks like seafire really did go to work.

inspiredsports

Kex wrote: »

How the f*ck did Seasperm here take over from our beloved bobt?! Lousy threadjacker!

Yeah, and where did the techknockedkid go?

heiney9

cnh wrote: »

Looks like seafire really did go to work.

Or fell off the boat..................into the Indian Ocean. How's your system sound now ****!

comfortablycurt

blakeh wrote: »

I am taking a pretty controversial position, and I know I'm going to get flamed for it, but after reading all this bickering I feel the need to lay down some truth...

Most (notice I didn't say ALL) stereo systems sound better with speaker cables than they do without speaker cables.

You can argue with me all you want, but that's the scientific truth. I don't "believe" that making an electrical connection from a power amp to a speaker sounds better, I KNOW that it does. Sure, the noisefloor is slightly more black when the cables aren't connected, but you simply can't get good, clean music out of your system without using cables to hookup your speakers.

I've done a TON of double blind A/B testing and I can tell 9 times out of 10 when my system has cables going from my amp to my speakers versus just having the speakers placed near my system without any cables connecting them. All of you a-holes out there who have never tried to disconnect your speakers and listen to them shouldn't come in here dissing those of us who have actually gone through the work of comparing the two different topologies.

Maybe I don't have all the scientific knowledge to impress you n00bs, but there's just something about current going from an amp to a speaker that makes it sound magical -- you just can't get that kind of sound without speaker cable. I use Paul Simon's "Graceland" and my reference disc, and when the speaker cables are absent I have a hard time getting enough gain to even hear the snare drums in "Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes." It's almost as if the system cannot accurately reproduce the sound (and I have a NICE amp/preamp combo). Then, I plug in some speaker wire between the amp and speakers and VIOLA! -- brilliant sound.

So go ahead and flame away. If you don't agree with my conclusions then you are obviously not into hi-fi gear. There's nothing wrong with that, but don't try to convince us audiophiles that missing speaker cables sound as good as cables that are connected.

"Reference sound is in the eye of the beholder. However, using subjective and objective measures we must all learn that plugging the effing speakers into the amp is important." -Nelson Pass

OMFG!! You just had me rollin with that Blake! Thanks for the great laugh. I too have A/B'd my speakers with and without speaker cables hooked up. I'm probably gonna be in the minority here, but I found it to really be better with a cable only connecting one speaker and not the other. Chalk it up to system synergy possibly.:p

inspiredsports wrote: »

I thought you were going to work 2 hours ago. McDonald's?

Hey now, that's a respectable job. I hear they're paying slightly over minimum wage these days.:p

comfortablycurt

Keiko wrote: »

Maybe he went whale watching with bobt and seasperm.

"seasperm" ewwww! lol

That's a possibility.

Just for the record Mike, I resent being compared to Monster. Especially when I was clearly the MIT in that comparison.:p I'm definitely the Lamborghini of guys that wear Daisy Dukes...there's no question.

seafire

Kex wrote: »

How the f*ck did Seasperm here take over from our beloved bobt?! Lousy threadjacker! At least bobt had some real genuine in depth technical knowledge of the subject to share with everyone.

When last did you have your eyes checked or are you just plain il:cool:literate?

seafire

Instead of insulting me why don't you challenge all of my above statements with something concrete....is it maybe because I came and rattled your perfect little world??:cool:

heiney9

seafire wrote: »

Instead of insulting me why don't you challenge all of my above statements with something concrete....is it maybe because I came and rattled your perfect little world??:cool:

Personally I have nothing to prove to YOU. Cables matter a great deal to me, I can hear distinct and sometimes subtle differences. That's good enough for me. I'm the only one who needs convincing, since I'm the one spending time with my rig.

If you don't think cables matter and they are a rip off.....then don't buy them and use whatever you think sounds good in your own rig.

See how simple that is...........I have a friend with a 6 year old and she gets the concept.

H9

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

There ya are little seamonkey, in your own perfect, little world that I created with the rest of the Bozo's. :cool:

Wow I'm impressed your scientific explaination of the seamonkey vs seasnake vs seasperm speaker cables has really got merit:D I s that all you got??lacking the mental capacity to engage in good debate YAAAWWWWN:cool:

ben62670

I'm sure it's in here somewhere after 13 pages, but here it goes. Those who know know, and those who don't know don't know they don't know.
SeeSpank isn't entertaining me any more. He doesn't get that everything can't be measured with todays technology, and nobody can tell you what sounds better, looks better, or tastes better to you.
Rock on SeeSpank.
Ben

seafire

heiney9 wrote: »

Personally I have nothing to prove to YOU. Cables matter a great deal to me, I can hear distinct and sometimes subtle differences. That's good enough for me. I'm the only one who needs convincing, since I'm the one spending time with my rig.

If you don't think cables matter and they are a rip off.....then don't buy them and use whatever you think sounds good in your own rig.

See how simple that is...........I have a friend with a 6 year old and she gets the concept.

H9

What I find sooo interesting is how most of you have reacted...wow must be a huge monkey on someones back!

Yes cable does make a difference But by how much???? Once you have reached the close to ideal signal flow the 0.000000015% becomes highly negotiable.And from my own personal experiences I have called many a audiophiles acute hearing for a bluff by a simple A/B blindfold test.The part I love the most are the excuses afterwards...recovering from a cold...could be the mains power is fluctuating tonight.The cables need more hours .Some of these tests were done at the clients house with his own rig!And the best part is that I also got caught time and again that's when I realized **** baffles brains.Like I said in my first post sure if you are going to use cheap electrical flexcore that is full of copper with impurities and oxidation yes but as soon as you move up to sufficient signal flow emulating the signal flow off the pcb board you reach the twilight zone where we are talking 0000.0015% or in extreme cases like one guy who swore by thick multi strand welding cable you start adding or subtracting from the original signal ie.modulation instead of emulation..this is where my logic says "you have come full circle and are defeating the object"especially when I see the vast amounts of top dollar going into this!Another point I have noticed ...some of the eager participants in this thread (some very insulting I might add) had there rig proudly displayed especially source rigs(cd players) and speakers ... some of which I wouldn't even use in my kids garage disco!!!.So unless you have a lot of money to buy absolute reference gear, most gear even today is far from replicating music close to the ideal ie. as it sounded in the studio / stage so why the hell in a million years would I spend triple digit dollar figures on cable when my source is entry level.Obviously this is not applicable to all here but I would stick my neck out and say at least 75% of the critters here on this thread have a long way to go before wasting money on speaker cable:cool:i have said my 2 cents worth(a dollar or two is more like it) and that's it;)

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

I'm sure it's in here somewhere after 13 pages, but here it goes. Those who know know, and those who don't know don't know they don't know.
SeeSpank isn't entertaining me any more. He doesn't get that everything can't be measured with todays technology, and nobody can tell you what sounds better, looks better, or tastes better to you.
Rock on SeeSpank.
Ben

Hi Benbrat
see my post above and please engage in healthy debate..challenge my statements with your own take on matters.Come on Ben ...you can do it Oh sorry I forgot the cat's got your tongue except for insults lame and boring:p So tell me do you know or don't you??? give me something concrete ben...you can do it hmmm interesting I see you manufacture and sell phono cables. Some say it sounds better than 400$ audioquest cable ....start reading all my posts on this and then add 2+2 = saturation transfer quality level reached! and I guess for a quarter of the price of Audioquest atomic aligned alien frequency rejecting super fast phono cable

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

Here's one just for you seasquirt. :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9lpP51LPw

I thought you put me on ignore??

ben62670

Keiko wrote: »

For your entertainment Ben.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnWxY_pPU0

Don't forget the gerbil king:)
Lemmiwinks

AudioGenics

bobt wrote: »

I don't under stand the price for speaker cables....some cost more then the equipment there hookup to....The price is insane. The Stereophile mags review these....of course there not going to say anything bad about them..they get paid to do this...then sit there and try to tell you....oh yes we hear this one gives you more highs, or this one is more clear.....BULL...

Sorry..it's a piece of wire...when you get to a certain point...thats about it.

I have a 12 gauge speaker cable, I will not say which kind. I went and spent $250 (on sale)...some supposed great cable......NO DAM DIFFERENCE.

No way you could tell the difference between the 2. Now OK...."MAYBE" if your playing some violin thing........MAYBE you could hear something different, but my guess would be NOT. If I changed cables on these "reviewers"...they would not have a clue............

OK, I play mostly rock and blues, but do throw in some classic music.

If Stravinsky, or Tchaikovsky..sound the same to me, over different cables..well I get the fact.....basically you have just been riiped off, because it's called "audiophile"....and no I'm not tone deaf...I've mixed CD's for people , run PA mixers...I know what good sound is.

It's like Boats...if it's marine..you pay a ton....same crap you can buy for cheap...Audiophile.....the price goes up.....

Most of this "sound" is precived..just because you spent..300 plus on a cable.

.....24 karat gold speaker cables for sale .......

am I gonna get flagged for not putting this posting in the right place without a price

AudioGenics

Keiko wrote: »

God? Why hath thou put so many idiots on thy Earth oh Lord?

OK youngster, time for you to join Lemmisquirts in the Bozo lounge. Aloha! :cool:

I am using these new "AIR CABLES" they are 100% oxygen free...that is No Cost.....