Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

tcrossma

seafire wrote: »

After all it is used for data transfer all over the world including big parts of this specific communication.

Network hardware and protocols also have built-in error correction, because believe it or not your Cat5 does not always get the data from Point A to Point B correctly.

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

Umm data is hard on hard off 1 and zeros. Analog is much more critical of a decent cable and operates over a much broader frequency range. Please stop regurgitating ignorance.

Again real simple question with a real simple answer. Even you should be able to figure out what you are trying to convey here

You know what Your attitude sucks and duh what do you think video streaming from a camera is ...much wider frequency range than music and about a 100 times more sensitive..... DUH THINK BEFORE YOU ATTACK I am really starting to laugh at you too your whole little gang here that attacks anyone that dares to challenge your thoughts Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Ignore for you too live in your little opinion formed bubble...you have no room to talk you have not answered one question straight always around the corner with some nasty comment added shame:cool:

seafire

tcrossma wrote: »

Network hardware and protocols also have built-in error correction, because believe it or not your Cat5 does not always get the data from Point A to Point B correctly.

True but that is a whole different ball game..we can go there if you like ..do normal analogue telephone lines ring a bel...used to span countries for 1000;s of kms transmitting analogue voice content;)Solid core all of them.hmmm I wonder why?? now used for data still copper solid core wonder why..I know why its obvious some dont know why to quote someone else. aaaah I am really enjoying this fire away all bring it on

zombie boy 2000

seafire wrote: »

...you have no room to talk you have not answered one question straight always around the corner with some nasty comment added shame:cool:

Seafire... I have to admit that your posts have a somewhat Dadaist quality about them.

tcrossma

seafire wrote: »

True but that is a whole different ball game..we can go there if you like ..do normal analogue telephone lines ring a bel...used to span countries for 1000;s of kms transmitting analogue voice content;)Solid core all of them.hmmm I wonder why?? now used for data still copper solid core wonder why..I know why its obvious some dont to quote someone else aaaah I am really enjoying this fire away all bring it on

I don't know about you, but I was never all that thrilled with the quality of sound coming over those telephone lines...

And my speaker cables are using solid core copper -- a lot do. What exactly is your point? That copper is the best material to use for speaker cables? It may be, but it might also just be the best at a certain price point. Just because hundreds of thousands of miles of copper lines were run around the world does not mean it was the best material for sound quality -- it may have just been the most abundant and the most cost effective.

seafire

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I've never seen a speaker cable that resembled Cat 5 in any way, shape or form. Not saying that one doesn't exist, but I've not seen one.
Well open your eyes cause some of the rave reviews are based on cat 5 cable speaker wires

Norm Apter

Erik Tracy wrote: »

I sense an invasion by the avs objectionists, or whatever is they call themselves.

Odd, cuz they label those who try things for themselves and listen for themselves and can hear changes as believing on 'faith' - yet not nary a one of the objectionists (or is it supposed to be objectivists?) have actually posted they tried things for themselves but simply parrot back what they have read about supposed human perception experiments or studies....and that the part that strikes me as odd - because ardently parroting back something they have only read about and have not tried or experienced or witnessed for themselves...isn't THAT 'faith'?

I trust my own ears...and have heard differences for myself in ICs and cables.

When someone tries to deconstruct my own senses and experiences with sophist arguments about how senses can be tricked or influenced by beliefs - I will let them pass by and let their noise subside into the distance.

Very well put.

That is precisely why I asked seafire what his system was comprised of and all of the cables he had tried out. It seems to me a relatively simple question. But a very telling one.

Unfortunately, he never answered my question.

seafire

My second replyOk been around this hobby for 25 years.Most of this speaker cable -interconect stuff is ****!! Yes if you use grandpa's twisted pair flex cable made for light bulbs you will hear a difference but if you buy good quality 99% oxy free pure copper cable 12 gauge and up its gonna sound good! Will its sound different with single strand compared to multi strand..yes but different is not always better so maybe the answer is that you can tweak some of your systems short falls with different sounding cable..tired of this ****! Same goes for inter connects spent thousands in years gone buy and your ear tricks you make subtle changes sound different = better because thats what you want to hear after forking 200usd for inter connects.YOU GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS TWEAKING TO DO BECAUSE THIS MEANS THAT SIGNAL TRAVELING FROM YOUR CD ON **** PCB TRACK THEN GOES THROUGH YOUR 250USD+ INTERCONNECT ONLY TO RESUME ITS SIGNAL ON ANOTHER CHINESE **** PCB TRACK UNTIL THE SPEAKER OUTS HAHAHA THEN WHEN IT REACHES YOUR SPEAKER AFTER TRAVELING THROUGH YOUR 1000USD + SPEAKER CABLE IT RUNS THROUGH YOUR KOREAN PASSIVE CROSSOVER WITH MEASLY TRACKS TO YOUR SPEAKERS WITH YOUR SPEAKER MANUFACTURERS **** CABLE TO THE SPEAKER HAHAHA GIVE YOURSELVES A BREAK GUYS FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!!
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seafire

Norm Apter wrote: »

Very well put.

That is precisely why I asked seafire what his system was comprised of and all of the cables he had tried out. It seems to me a relatively simple question. But a very telling one.

Unfortunately, he never answered my question.

I answered you scroll back

ben62670

seafire wrote: »

You know what Your attitude sucks and duh what do you think video streaming from a camera is ...much wider frequency range than music and about a 100 times more sensitive..... DUH THINK BEFORE YOU ATTACK I am really starting to laugh at you too your whole little gang here that attacks anyone that dares to challenge your thoughts Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Ignore for you too live in your little opinion formed bubble...you have no room to talk you have not answered one question straight always around the corner with some nasty comment added shame:cool:

Wow that's being nasty. Attacking? I am not upset at all. I think it's funny too. I used to beleive the same stuff you are saying pretty much to the T. When I first got here I laughed at the "rich dummies" spending a bunch of money on fancy cables with pretty jackets. Insulted them, and argued with them... Yes video is sensative to cables being used. I run cat5 with teflon insultaion for camera's even if it is going to be used indoors. So say what you want. I am going to go and warm a nice bottle of milk for you:) What size orfice do you normally use on your nipples? I don't want you to make a mess on yourself.
Cheers
Ben

tcrossma

seafire wrote: »

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I've never seen a speaker cable that resembled Cat 5 in any way, shape or form. Not saying that one doesn't exist, but I've not seen one.
Well open your eyes cause some of the rave reviews are based on cat 5 cable speaker wires

And? I've never seen one, I'm sorry about that. I've had a lot of speaker cables and IC's in my system, but I guess they've all been more traditional designs.

I'm not a cable expert, I'll be the first to admit that. I'm just trying to constantly improve the sound of my system. I've tried many different cables in my system, and I even said that maybe your Cat5 cables would sound good. I just don't know, never had a chance to even see one, never mind try one.

steveinaz

You guys are trying to talk sense to a brick wall. Ignorance is bliss--let it go.

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

Wow that's being nasty. Attacking? I am not upset at all. I think it's funny too. I used to beleive the same stuff you are saying pretty much to the T. When I first got here I laughed at the "rich dummies" spending a bunch of money on fancy cables with pretty jackets. Insulted them, and argued with them... Yes video is sensative to cables being used. I run cat5 with teflon insultaion for camera's even if it is going to be used indoors. So say what you want. I am going to go and warm a nice bottle of milk for you:) What size orfice do you normally use on your nipples? I don't want you to make a mess on yourself.
Cheers
Ben

The size of the planet URANUS;)

AudioGenics

The specification for category 5 cable was defined in ANSI/TIA/EIA-568-A, with clarification in TSB-95. These documents specified performance characteristics and test requirements for frequencies of up to 100 MHz.

Category 5 cable includes four twisted pairs in a single cable jacket. This use of balanced lines helps preserve a high signal-to-noise ratio despite interference from both external sources and other pairs (this latter form of interference is called crosstalk). It is most commonly used for 100 Mbit/s networks, such as 100BASE-TX Ethernet......wikipedia

ben62670

steveinaz wrote: »

You guys are trying to talk sense to a brick wall. Ignorance is bliss--let it go.

It's a rainy day here. The entrainment factor is fading, but still mildly entertaining;) He could use coat hangers for all I care. I don't have to listen to it:)

seafire wrote: »

The size of the planet URANUS;)

LOL I'll send a bib with it:)
Well it's time to actually listen to some music, and not talk about it.
Later.
Ben

seafire

tcrossma wrote: »

And? I've never seen one, I'm sorry about that. I've had a lot of speaker cables and IC's in my system, but I guess they've all been more traditional designs.

I'm not a cable expert, I'll be the first to admit that. I'm just trying to constantly improve the sound of my system. I've tried many different cables in my system, and I even said that maybe your Cat5 cables would sound good. I just don't know, never had a chance to even see one, never mind try one.

Absolutely no prob with that I just showed where I started jioning this discussion..so cool at least you are asking / communicating most of the rest reply with snotty insults;)
NOW WHERE DID I SAY THAT IT WOULD MAKE<< NO>> DIFFERENCE Look's like most here need their eyes tested amongst other things

AudioGenics

gee most of my hangers are plastic and wood. Wonder if that is why my speaker don't sound that great. Time for an upgrade......

BlueFox

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

The specification for category 5 cable was defined in ANSI/TIA/EIA-568-A, with clarification in TSB-95. These documents specified performance characteristics and test requirements for frequencies of up to 100 MHz.

Category 5 cable includes four twisted pairs in a single cable jacket. This use of balanced lines helps preserve a high signal-to-noise ratio despite interference from both external sources and other pairs (this latter form of interference is called crosstalk). It is most commonly used for 100 Mbit/s networks, such as 100BASE-TX Ethernet......wikipedia

True. Its performance has been designed for digital data.

AudioGenics

cat5 or its early versions was used by audiophiles that were on limited budgets - no money. we use the FREE scraps to fabricate speaker wires that actually worked but so upgraded when funds became available

see this link

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

BigMac

seafire wrote: »

Now Madmax you should no better the diff is I can show you the tube versus ss elecs sonic signature while functioning on a variety of test equipment and also confirm this by ear.Not so with speaker cables -I have yet to see the diff on test equipment once the basic natural flow of the signal has been met ie. similiar resistance lenght etc

To sum it up in a nutshell........................all the tests in the world really do not matter in this hobby. All the bickering trying to prove a point beyond a shadow of a doubt is just pointless. Saying "prove me wrong" on this topic is as useful as used toilet paper and is subjective imo. There is nothing to prove in this hobby, it's about the journey and the enjoyment. To get caught up in a pissing match about this spec and that spec detracts from this hobbies main goal, enjoyment. I see so many people inclusive of yourself in this hobby that are consumed with specs that they forget what the goal is. The goal is to put together a system that you will enjoy listening to music on. If it sounds good to YOU then that's all that matters. It's not how much something costs,how many watts it is,etc. it's about what YOU like.

IF you like your all in one Bose system then more power to you. IF you like your $3,000.00 tube preamp,$3,000.00 tube amp,$2,000.00 transport and dac,$3,000.00 worth of cables,etc.,etc.,etc., then more power to you as well. At the end of the day it all boils down to personal preferences......not specs,tests, or how much something costs.

I equate audio to women. Hard to figure out but once you do you are in for one heck of a ride. Women say size does not matter but rather how you use it that matters (some will beg to differ). Well, apply that to audio. It's not how big your bank account is, it's how you use it. In either case the end result should be total nirvana. Each scenario has it plus and minuses and it's up to YOU to decide what works for YOU the best......not specs and tests. AT the end of the day you could show me paper after paper with graphs,specs,tests, and so on as my ears cannot read but rather hear. In the voice of Chris Tucker, "Do you undrstand the words that are coming out of my mouth" (rhetorical)?

dkg999

seafire - your village called.

It's not hard to figure out why some of these people are now showing up here. They've obviously run out of other forums that will put up with them.

heiney9

Thought seadunce was leaving..........I guess he was teasing.

AudioGenics

Gosh...brings back memories when the first stereo (Mono) that I had was C battery, a crystal, and a old telephone headset. ... I thought that was so cool... times were a lot more simple and actually more fun.

scottnbnj

seafire wrote: »

... Its also so damm close to expensive cable that ...

there you go, it's not that difficult.

you hear a difference.

so, your position is that your cables are the only ones that don't sound the same.

humbly, i think there might be a flaw in that sort of logic somewhere.

)

seafire

BigMac wrote: »

To sum it up in a nutshell........................all the tests in the world really do not matter in this hobby. All the bickering trying to prove a point beyond a shadow of a doubt is just pointless. Saying "prove me wrong" on this topic is as useful as used toilet paper and is subjective imo. There is nothing to prove in this hobby, it's about the journey and the enjoyment. To get caught up in a pissing match about this spec and that spec detracts from this hobbies main goal, enjoyment. I see so many people inclusive of yourself in this hobby that are consumed with specs that they forget what the goal is. The goal is to put together a system that you will enjoy listening to music on. If it sounds good to YOU then that's all that matters. It's not how much something costs,how many watts it is,etc. it's about what YOU like.

IF you like your all in one Bose system then more power to you. IF you like your $3,000.00 tube preamp,$3,000.00 tube amp,$2,000.00 transport and dac,$3,000.00 worth of cables,etc.,etc.,etc., then more power to you as well. At the end of the day it all boils down to personal preferences......not specs,tests, or how much something costs.

I equate audio to women. Hard to figure out but once you do you are in for one heck of a ride. Women say size does not matter but rather how you use it that matters (some will beg to differ). Well, apply that to audio. It's not how big your bank account is, it's how you use it. In either case the end result should be total nirvana. Each scenario has it plus and minuses and it's up to YOU to decide what works for YOU the best......not specs and tests. AT the end of the day you could show me paper after paper with graphs,specs,tests, and so on as my ears cannot read but rather hear. In the voice of Chris Tucker, "Do you undrstand the words that are coming out of my mouth" (rhetorical)?

I hear you. I am done too

seafire

scottnbnj wrote: »

there you go, it's not that difficult.

you hear a difference.

so, your position is that your cables are the only ones that don't sound the same.

humbly, i think there might be a flaw in that sort of logic somewhere.

)

Read again that's all I am going to say:cool:

AudioGenics

Here is an interesting paper how Human Logic is affecting Mathematics. How Illogical is that !!

http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1289

Imperfections in Human Logic Promote Crisis in the Mathematical Sciences

seafire

heiney9 wrote: »

Thought seadunce was leaving..........I guess he was teasing.

Another snotty comment;)

seafire

steveinaz wrote: »

You guys are trying to talk sense to a brick wall. Ignorance is bliss--let it go.

another insult:rolleyes:

seafire

dkg999 wrote: »

seafire - your village called.

It's not hard to figure out why some of these people are now showing up here. They've obviously run out of other forums that will put up with them.

Yet another insult:rolleyes: