Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

seafire

steveinaz wrote: »

This is why I recommend that you get your system basics together first, then **** around with cabling. No cable is gonna cure sub-par equipment, that's for sure--BUT a poor cable is not going to fully exploit good equipments' capabilities.

In reference to your "$1000 speaker cable going into a Korean made crossover" comment; anyone who would do that needs in education on hi-fi in general.

Question: Do you use the 69 cent IC's that came with your equipment?

Ok be as kind as to tell me what speakers you use.As well as the manufacturer source of all your audio equipment and then please explain the **** signal tracks to the "massive speaker binding posts" hahaha

steveinaz

Energy Connoisseur C-9's.

Which **** signal "tracks" are you referring to? Do you mean solder runs?

I have no solder runs going to my binding posts, IIRC Energy uses kimber wire in the Connoisseur series...

Do you have solder "tracks" going to your small binding posts? That may be why you feel all this cable "stuff" is BS, no?

You know, I opened a can of beans once---but it didn't make me a farmer.

steveinaz

Swizzle-stick, there's no way you've been in audio for 25 years; not with your poor grammar. Maybe you meant to login to the Britney Spears forum? Emerson? GPX?

If you don't stop this non-sense, I'm gonna spread chocolate on you and let the fat internet commando kid chase your skinny **** down, you trackin pyle?

seafire

steveinaz wrote: »

Energy Connoisseur C-9's.

Which **** signal "tracks" are you referring to? Do you mean solder runs?

I have no solder runs going to my binding posts, IIRC Energy uses kimber wire in the Connoisseur series...

Do you have solder "tracks" going to your small binding posts? That may be why you feel all this cable "stuff" is BS, no?

You know, I opened a can of beans once---but it didn't make me a farmer.

I am referring to to all your audio equipment starting with your source(usually)in mv and the your amplifiers you know the circuit board tracks leading to your speaker binding posts..tell me are they the same quality as your speaker wire if not why not??

seafire

Ok so I run water through a quarter inch pipe in my cd player I then interconnect it with a half inch pipe to my amp which internally uses a quarter inch pipe then out to my speakers with a 3 quarter inch pipe or many quarter inch pipes and then back to my passive crossover track quarter inch pipe to my speakers one eights pipe WHATEVER

steveinaz

So you're saying that hi-fi success is futile? I should just give up and get an Emerson boombox? Is that what you're telling me? Are you telling me I wasted $5500 on this crap hobby?

Dammit!

steveinaz

seafire wrote: »

Ok so I run water through a quarter inch pipe in my cd player I then interconnect it with a half inch pipe to my amp which internally uses a quarter inch pipe then out to my speakers with a 3 quarter inch pipe or many quarter inch pipes and then back to my passive crossover track quarter inch pipe WHATEVER

Dude...no, no

NEVER run water into your CD player--bad mojo, seriously. Debate cables all you want, but wire does work better than pipe in your system---at least I think so.

Face

Hey, if people want to listen to bad sound, let them. Is it really worth it to get that worked up over ignorance?

steveinaz

Wow...that was relatively easy. Take notes Polk veterans. See how quickly I shut that conversation down?...AND it was fun too.

seafire

Thats why cat 5 e sounds so good.Because it emulates the the pcb tracks with a simple solid copper wire..so to offset resistance we may use a couple of strands more which unfortunately induces some capacitance over distance.Ideally we do not want to change the medium that the signal travels through in terms of resistance etc this will cause phase shift with highs and lows..ideally we want to extend the pc board all the way to the speaker... not a **** micron thick copper track changing into a multistrand pure silver speaker wire as wide as the missisipi .It is quiet ironic that most of our communications tonight are through plain solid core copper wire and cat 45 for all our data transfer...yeah yeah long distance is fibre optic but in closed networks and telephone exchanges plain solid copper wire is still the medium of choice

seafire

Well boys I am waiting for someone to challenge my statements on a technical / scientific level any takers????

seafire

Face wrote: »

Hey, if people want to listen to bad sound, let them. Is it really worth it to get that worked up over ignorance?

Ok you claim I am ignorant so back up your statement:rolleyes:

steveinaz

Ah, so choice of cable, topology, resistance, distance, and capacitance all play a role. Hmm, lots of varibles. But yet cable is all the same...umkay. What if you terminated a BNC connector rated for 50 ohms on RG6 for digital use, would that work?

seafire

steveinaz wrote: »

Swizzle-stick, there's no way you've been in audio for 25 years; not with your poor grammar. Maybe you meant to login to the Britney Spears forum? Emerson? GPX?

If you don't stop this non-sense, I'm gonna spread chocolate on you and let the fat internet commando kid chase your skinny **** down, you trackin pyle?

As an American you are questioning my grammar?? waiting for your replies....btw no-sense = one word nonsense

seafire

YAWWWWWNNNN:cool:

seafire

steveinaz wrote: »

Ah, so choice of cable, topology, resistance, distance, and capacitance all play a role. Hmm, lots of varibles. But yet cable is all the same...umkay. What if you terminated a BNC connector rated for 50 ohms on RG6 for digital use, would that work?

no because you dont have a d/a converter in your speaker!!:cool:hmmm maybe depending on how long your speaker cables are...glad to see you starting to ask valid questions

Face

I was a big proponent for high capacitance cables for a while. I owned a few pairs of Goertz silver and copper foil cables but eventually sold some since I felt they didn't image as well as other cables I had at the time. But as far as tonality goes, the silvers sounded good IMO, the copper cables are ok if you need a little extra warmth. So no, high capacitance cables aren't always the bees knees, but if they work for you, enjoy.

seafire

Face wrote: »

I was a big proponent for high capacitance cables for a while. I owned a few pairs of Goertz silver and copper foil cables but eventually sold some since I felt they didn't image as well as other cables I had at the time. But as far as tonality goes, the silvers sounded good IMO, the copper cables are ok if you need a little extra warmth. So no, high capacitance cables aren't always the bees knees, but if they work for you, enjoy.

Hi dont get me wrong...in an ideal world we not would want capacitance..however distance etc etc so the next best bet is emulation..trying to make the signal go down it's merry way with the minimal amount of change to keep phase coherency

treitz3

Seafire, you seem very knowledgeable and experienced in cables and I'd like to ask you a question for a professional answer. When you add a network box, one like that of MIT cables, could you still use cat5 with no or better audible difference?

seafire

Ok so before it get's to far of track my stand is that yes there are differences but this does not mean to say that your cables are superior if they make your system sound better but more if you are are true audiophile you would want to keep everything pure like the artist and sound engineer recorded it and this type of cable you can manufacture at home within 30 minutes using cat 5e cable:)

seafire

treitz3 wrote: »

Seafire, you seem very knowledgeable and experienced in cables and I'd like to ask you a question for a professional answer. When you add a network box, one like that of MIT cables, could you still use cat5 with no or better audible difference?

yes but be carefull there are cat 5 cables and there are cat 5 cables!! use a reputable company who's gauging is correct and use 99% oxygen free copper wire with proper shielding

comfortablycurt

So, basically, what you're saying is that cables do make a difference, and can definitely make a system sound better. Am I right so far?

You're also saying that a true audiophile, wouldn't have any desire for these cables that clearly make the system sound better? A true audiophile would only want a "pure" cable? What exactly constitutes a "pure" cable?

So what I've gathered from this thread is as follows, all cables are the same, but different cables will definitely make a difference. Cables can definitely make a rig sound better, but a true audiophile would have no desire for these components that clearly make their rigs sound better.

Thank you for clarifying that seafire. It all makes so much "sense" now.:rolleyes:

treitz3

How do you know this and which reputable company would you recommend? I wouldn't want to get jipped.

seafire

comfortablycurt wrote: »

So, basically, what you're saying is that cables do make a difference, and can definitely make a system sound better. Am I right so far?

You're also saying that a true audiophile, wouldn't have any desire for these cables that clearly make the system sound better? A true audiophile would only want a "pure" cable? What exactly constitutes a "pure" cable?

So what I've gathered from this thread is as follows, all cables are the same, but different cables will definitely make a difference. Cables can definitely make a rig sound better, but a true audiophile would have no desire for these components that clearly make their rigs sound better.

Thank you for clarifying that seafire. It all makes so much "sense" now.:rolleyes:

Nice try :cool:I am telling you and the forum that if you use a basic good quality cable.ie oxygen free copper more than 12 gauge if you are more than 3 meters will be complete anything you here from there are short comings in the way electronic audio is presented to you today...micron pc board to thick cable..whatever..you sound like someone who spent a lot of money on cable without giving it thought BOTTOM LINE IF YOU CHANGE IT YOU HAVE FAILED =YOU HAVE ALTERED THE ORIGINAL SIGNAL PATH TO CONFIRM TO WHAT YOU THINK IS NICE!!.. sorry that **** doesn't work for me maybe you lost the thread a long the way:p

ben62670

I wish SF was around a long time ago. I would have saved a lot of money. Oh wait. I was like seafire a long time ago. Then a member told me a mind is like a parachute. It's funny how nearly everyone that uses my IC's for the first time says nearly the same thing about sound stage, tonality, and burnin time. They must all have the same imagination:rolleyes:

seafire

treitz3 wrote: »

How do you know this and which reputable company would you recommend? I wouldn't want to get jipped.

Hi well you are in Charlotte North Carolina phone a local reputed IT company and found out what local cable is good ..usually they will have the tech specs.I am in the Indian Ocean ....right now I am using South African manufactured cable that would not be applicable to you;)

comfortablycurt

seafire wrote: »

Nice try :cool:I am telling you and the forum that if you use a basic good quality cable.ie oxygen free copper more than 12 gauge if you are more than 3 meters will be complete anything you here from there are short comings in the way electronic audio is presented to you today...micron pc board to thick cable..whatever..you sound like someone who spent a lot of money on cable without giving it thought BOTTOM LINE IF YOU CHANGE IT YOU HAVE FAILED =YOU HAVE ALTERED THE ORIGINAL SIGNAL PATH TO CONFIRM TO WHAT YOU THINK IS NICE!!.. sorry that **** doesn't work for me maybe you lost the thread a long the way:p

Nice try. Actually I've barely spent any money on cabling before. I've just barely gotten started with my cable experimentation.

Thank you for saving me from spending MY money. You've completely convinced me that the differences I hear in cables are imaginary.

I state once again...what is this cable that doesn't change the signal path at all? Any wire is going to change the signal path, on the pure and simple fact that it is a device that is in the signal path.

Your reference to the micro thin wires on the PCB's are basically irrelevant...I see your point, but the incredibly short lengths of those wires compensate for the difference. Sure, the internal wiring of an amp is just plain wire the majority of the time. Those wires are also all of an inch long.

In case you didn't know, some people also upgrade these things too.



Why is it that people have to come in here and try to "save" us all? As many people have said, numerous times in this thread...If you don't hear/don't want to hear the difference, good for you. Those of us who do, are going to continue "imagining" the difference. Just let it go...you aren't changing anyones mind.

inspiredsports

seafire . . . how many of you guys are there out there?

There just seems to be an endless stream of folks who chant the same mantra.

We should all just become independently wealthy, hang up our rigs, and do nothing but traipse around the country following the artists we enjoy to their live performances.

comfortablycurt

inspiredsports wrote: »

We should all just become independently wealthy, hang up our rigs, and do nothing but traipse around the country following the artists we enjoy to their live performances.

Sounds like a plan to me.

This is also THE absolute only way that you're ever going to hear music performed entirely as the artist intended. Sure...there are a ton of stereos out there that will come close to reproducing it...but it still isn't real.

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

I wish SF was around a long time ago. I would have saved a lot of money. Oh wait. I was like seafire a long time ago. Then a member told me a mind is like a parachute. It's funny how nearly everyone that uses my IC's for the first time says nearly the same thing about sound stage, tonality, and burnin time. They must all have the same imagination:rolleyes:

Well Ben I am disappointed -is this really the best you can do?? Fire away with a scientific / technical approach to my statements YAWWWWNNN:eek: