Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

heiney9

a_mattison wrote: »

You kidding?! Then We'd all be modifying the air in our houses to transmit the radio frequencies better.

It all comes down to proper barametric pressure and correct humidity levels and well as proper "line of sight" placement.

dkg999

I replaced all the caps and resistors in my wireless router, and upgraded the antennas with Cardas wire. I find that the colors on the screen of my laptop are much more life like and have increased depth and solidity.

Face

dkg999 wrote: »

I replaced all the caps and resistors in my wireless router, and upgraded the antennas with Cardas wire. I find that the colors on the screen of my laptop are much more life like and have increased depth and solidity.

Now that's funny!

hearingimpared

I've been reading Sterophile for quite some years now and I don't remember any such statement.

erniejade

I honestly wonder if people sometimes just say things to get a rise out of us.

steveinaz

As with any hobby, if you can't "geek out" on it, what's the purpose?

Fongolio

Topics for noobs (I include myself here because GG still hasn't decreed me a non-newb) to avoid:

1. Spending good money on interconnects/speaker wire is a rip off
2. Anything Bose
3. Anything Monster Cable
4. Why are the long time members so mean to noobs?
5. Emotiva ('nuff said)
6. Any topic after more than 5 beer (or equivalent)
7. Stupid meaningless non-audio related polls

Did I miss anything?

BlueFox

CowboyRJB2 wrote: »

I used to subscribe to STEREOPHILE magazine. In one issue they tested extremelt high end, expensive speaker cables. it gets to a point that the human ear cant tell differences. They also hooked up the same test speakers with heavy gage LAMP WIRE they bought from a local hardware store and there wasnt any incredible difference, audibly, except on their meters

That might be true, but I have a hard time believing it. I am currently subscribed to Sterophile, and if there is any publication that would appreciate speaker wire, it is this one. These guys wax on and on about how CD player X has a nuance of improvement over CD player Y, or how speaker A is just a tiny bit better than speaker B, that it is hard to believe they would dimiss speaker wires.

hifiaudio

sucks2beme wrote: »

Interconnects are where to start. I could hear those changes without trying
very hard. Speaker cable changes seem to kinda sneak up on you.
With that said, I was using a cheap 14ga bulk wire between the bottom
and top halves of the GNP's (two piece speakers).
Changing out to a better cable between them was very noticable.
AS always, your milage may vary.

I agree interconnects are the best bang for the buck improvement. Don't belive me. try these in your system. At this price if you are using any cables under fifty bucks for a 1 meter pair, try these.. In MY system these are the best. Throw those rat shack and monster crap out.
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=181-652
for $15.00 it is a huge improvement...
Yes you can buy better, but for a whole lot more money...

madmax

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

That said it is by denifition a system and any weakness is systemic to the system.

or

as MadMax says.........everything matters.

Finally, an excerpt from a reliable source.

Lowell_M

H9 and DKG, etc... Did we ever compare the Canare wires I have to the Signal Cable Bi-wires I have in the basement on my LSi's? I don't remember that we did, but damn, we should have.

Has anybody on this thread used the Signal Cable bi-wire cables? I have them in my HT right now on Rti70's, do I don't expect to be able to hear much of a difference. When I get time I might tinker around with the LSi's and see how they sound.

(trying to derail in a positive direction....)

dkg999

Do you have the Signal classic or Ultra bi-wires? I have a couple of sets of the Ultra bi-wires. The classic is a touch more revealing and open than the Canare. The Ultra's are more forward, more detailed, and throw a lot bigger soundstage than the Canare. That said, it's hard to beat the Canare S411 for the price.

F1nut

Fongolio wrote: »

Topics for noobs (I include myself here because GG still hasn't decreed me a non-newb) to avoid:

1. Spending good money on interconnects/speaker wire is a rip off
2. Anything Bose
3. Anything Monster Cable
4. Why are the long time members so mean to noobs?
5. Emotiva ('nuff said)
6. Any topic after more than 5 beer (or equivalent)
7. Stupid meaningless non-audio related polls

Did I miss anything?

LOL.......damn, I think you got. You shall go far here.

Fongolio

Keiko wrote: »

Threads related to rap music, Richard Simmons, Sweatin' to the Oldies and any poll or topic related to Rosie O'donnell and Roseanne Barr.

Agreed. I have one more as well. Any posted picture with any "male" club member wearing Daisy Dukes that just don't cover anywhere near enough.

comfortablycurt

Fongolio wrote: »

Agreed. I have one more as well. Any posted picture with any "male" club member wearing Daisy Dukes that just don't cover anywhere near enough.

Yeah, I have some gripes about that one myself. Rest assured though, that I don't own, and in fact, have never owned, a pair of Daisy Dukes. As much as some of these guys seem to like that idea...lol

Kex

This is far more exciting than the Emotiva Story, or even the Ben & Bob Carver thing! Where have I been? Why did nobody tell me? But as for this post:

daboyz wrote: »

I wish speaker wire didn't matter. It would've saved me alot of time and money. You need to check out an RAS get together and you'd realize that there are huge differences in cabling. If you can't hear it then God bless.

I don't think turning up at an RAS meeting would do anyone any good, since you are all known to be totally drunk after the first five minutes, and couldn't possibly carry out a coherent listening demonstration of any description. Heck, you probably can't even see the spearkers by then, much less listen to them!

LessisNevermore

Kex wrote: »

I don't think turning up at an RAS meeting would do anyone any good, since you are all known to be totally drunk after the first five minutes, and couldn't possibly carry out a coherent listening demonstration of any description. Heck, you probably can't even see the spearkers by then, much less listen to them!

This is a bald-faced LIE sir, and I demand a retraction!
It took over twenty minutes, we're professionals, and I resent the insinuation of RAS members as lightweights.



(LOOK, Boobies!):D

hearingimpared

Lol!

BlueFox

And someone actually whined about an informative post on tree-trimming.

max997

everything plays a part and I am of the belief that your system is only as good as its weakest component so I am a big fan of aftermarket speaker and power cables

seafire

tcrossma wrote: »

I've never seen a speaker cable that resembled Cat 5 in any way, shape or form. Not saying that one doesn't exist, but I've not seen one.

Well open your eyes cause some of the rave reviews are based on cat 5 cable speaker wires:cool:

seafire

Ok been around this hobby for 25 years.Most of this speaker cable -interconect stuff is ****!! Yes if you use grandpa's twisted pair flex cable made for light bulbs you will hear a difference but if you buy good quality 99% oxy free pure copper cable 12 gauge and up its gonna sound good! Will its sound different with single strand compared to multi strand..yes but different is not always better so maybe the answer is that you can tweak some of your systems short falls with different sounding cable..tired of this ****! Same goes for inter connects spent thousands in years gone buy and your ear tricks you make subtle changes sound different = better because thats what you want to hear after forking 200usd for inter connects.YOU GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS TWEAKING TO DO BECAUSE THIS MEANS THAT SIGNAL TRAVELING FROM YOUR CD ON **** PCB TRACK THEN GOES THROUGH YOUR 250USD+ INTERCONNECT ONLY TO RESUME ITS SIGNAL ON ANOTHER CHINESE **** PCB TRACK UNTIL THE SPEAKER OUTS HAHAHA THEN WHEN IT REACHES YOUR SPEAKER AFTER TRAVELING THROUGH YOUR 1000USD + SPEAKER CABLE IT RUNS THROUGH YOUR KOREAN PASSIVE CROSSOVER WITH MEASLY TRACKS TO YOUR SPEAKERS WITH YOUR SPEAKER MANUFACTURERS **** CABLE TO THE SPEAKER HAHAHA GIVE YOURSELVES A BREAK GUYS FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!!

ben62670

seafire wrote: »

Ok been around this hobby for 25 years.Most of this speaker cable -interconect stuff is ****!! Yes if you use grandpa's twisted pair flex cable made for light bulbs you will hear a difference but if you buy good quality 99% oxy free pure copper cable 12 gauge and up its gonna sound good! Will its sound different with single strand compared to multi strand..yes but different is not always better so maybe the answer is that you can tweak some of your systems short falls with different sounding cable..tired of this ****

I have tried big heavy wire that sucked the life out of the highs, and killed the sound stage. Please educate us more.

Oops I forgot.
Yawn...

Ender

I guess, relatively speaking, the woman is ok looking. But objectively speaking, I think she's actually kinda ugly.

Keiko wrote: »

I dunno Fong, depends on how ya look at it. And ya gotta admit, Curt fills out them Daisy Dukes pretty good. Maybe too good.

Perhaps this analogy can also work in a cable debate. For example:


Monster Cable


MIT

Now, armed with this information, everyone can clearly see how cables can and do make a difference. Any questions?

tcrossma

seafire wrote: »

Well open your eyes cause some of the rave reviews are based on cat 5 cable speaker wires:cool:

Yes, I now realize there must be speaker cables based on Cat-5 -- I've just never seen them.

seafire wrote: »

Will its sound different with single strand compared to multi strand..yes but different is not always better

But sometimes different IS better. Sometimes it's worse. That right there is the justification some have for experimenting with different cables.

cnh

Well,

Here we go 'again'?

cnh

seafire

dkg999 wrote: »

Do you have the Signal classic or Ultra bi-wires? I have a couple of sets of the Ultra bi-wires. The classic is a touch more revealing and open than the Canare. The Ultra's are more forward, more detailed, and throw a lot bigger soundstage than the Canare. That said, it's hard to beat the Canare S411 for the price.

LOL tell me did you remember to rewire all your audio equipments electronic circuit boards tinsel tracks as well?? Your audio equipment pcb tracks are thinner than a human hair -best you start soldering with your signal classic!:eek:Rather donate the money to an orphanage at least they will feel see hear the difference

seafire

cnh wrote: »

Well,

Here we go 'again'?

cnh

Why cause read my posts...think about it and reply:D

steveinaz

seafire wrote: »

Ok been around this hobby for 25 years.Most of this speaker cable -interconect stuff is ****!! Yes if you use grandpa's twisted pair flex cable made for light bulbs you will hear a difference but if you buy good quality 99% oxy free pure copper cable 12 gauge and up its gonna sound good! Will its sound different with single strand compared to multi strand..yes but different is not always better so maybe the answer is that you can tweak some of your systems short falls with different sounding cable..tired of this ****! Same goes for inter connects spent thousands in years gone buy and your ear tricks you make subtle changes sound different = better because thats what you want to hear after forking 200usd for inter connects.YOU GUYS HAVE SOME SERIOUS TWEAKING TO DO BECAUSE THIS MEANS THAT SIGNAL TRAVELING FROM YOUR CD ON **** PCB TRACK THEN GOES THROUGH YOUR 250USD+ INTERCONNECT ONLY TO RESUME ITS SIGNAL ON ANOTHER CHINESE **** PCB TRACK UNTIL THE SPEAKER OUTS HAHAHA THEN WHEN IT REACHES YOUR SPEAKER AFTER TRAVELING THROUGH YOUR 1000USD + SPEAKER CABLE IT RUNS THROUGH YOUR KOREAN PASSIVE CROSSOVER WITH MEASLY TRACKS TO YOUR SPEAKERS WITH YOUR SPEAKER MANUFACTURERS **** CABLE TO THE SPEAKER HAHAHA GIVE YOURSELVES A BREAK GUYS FOOD FOR THOUGHT!!!

This is why I recommend that you get your system basics together first, then **** around with cabling. No cable is gonna cure sub-par equipment, that's for sure--BUT a poor cable is not going to fully exploit good equipments' capabilities.

In reference to your "$1000 speaker cable going into a Korean made crossover" comment; anyone who would do that needs in education on hi-fi in general.

Question: Do you use the 69 cent IC's that came with your equipment?

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

I have tried big heavy wire that sucked the life out of the highs, and killed the sound stage. Please educate us more.

Oops I forgot.
Yawn...

Well Ben you tell me how signal traveling on pcb boards break out into this signal highway of gold only to be squashed back into most **** passive crossover tracks ...let your own logic answer your question and I am listening if you care to reply:rolleyes: