Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

seafire

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

.....24 karat gold speaker cables for sale .......

am I gonna get flagged for not putting this posting in the right place without a price

Honestly IMHO again I would not recommend 24 karat gold speaker cables unless the amp that I am connecting to has 24 k circuit board tracks of similar capacity.Why? because every time your signal flows through a different medium you are modulating it's flow as copper and gold have different conduction properties :rolleyes:

ben62670

Can you enlighten us on your thoughts of choosing capacitors, resistors, burnin in speakers, and cables.
Thanks
Ben

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

God? Why hath thou put so many idiots on thy Earth oh Lord?

OK youngster, time for you to join Lemmisquirts in the Bozo lounge. Aloha! :cool:

Well challenge my statements with your own train of thought not with insults and remarks...I wonder why?????

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

Can you enlighten us on your thoughts of choosing capacitors, resistors, burnin in speakers, and cables.
Thanks
Ben

Sure Ben I have some strong views on that too as soon as you enlighten me on your thoughts about speaker cables and why you seem to disagree with my take on it;)

AudioGenics

seafire wrote: »

Honestly IMHO again I would not recommend 24 karat gold speaker cables unless the amp that I am connecting to has 24 k circuit board tracks of similar capacity.Why? because every time your signal flows through a different medium you are modulating it's flow as copper and gold have different conduction properties :rolleyes:

I agree.
I use a wave modulation compensator for dissimilar materials
that corrects for the differentials.
However the time loss cannot be recovered.

AudioGenics

Keiko wrote: »

Good! Now gfy.

Thanks. I appreciate the kind words .

ben62670

When I see people come on acting like Seafire I wonder have they just not really tried different cables in decent systems, or is it possible that they really can't hear a difference? I don't mean like ~M~ vs Rat Shack, RCA, Philpips... I mean like standard wire vs AQ, signal, or MIT?

seafire

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

I agree.
I use a wave modulation compensator for dissimilar materials
that corrects for the differentials.
However the time loss cannot be recovered.

Uhuh interesting ..do you use a clocked desnacker on the other end and why would you worry about time loss as its live and the same for both your speakers....phase shift yes a problem time loss I dont think Edit what modulation compensator are you using if I may ask ??

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

When I see people come on acting like Seafire I wonder have they just not really tried different cables in decent systems, or is it possible that they really can't hear a difference? I don't mean like ~M~ vs Rat Shack, RCA, Philpips... I mean like standard wire vs AQ, signal, or MIT?

Ben give me a break will you read a couple of posts up I stated that !!

AudioGenics

Yes people may not be able to hear or perceive the sound differences.

At Juilliard we were required to have "Ear Training". Early stages was focused on intervals. It was clear that there was a very large range of capability and talent among the students. The ideal student was the one who had perfect pitch, instant recall and great sight reading. Everyone else had relative pitch and needed to study and memorize the music.

seafire

Keiko wrote: »

I think it's pretty obvious Ben. These clowns are just trolls, either here to stir the pot or abuse the FM. They're not here to contribute anything. Just ignore them.

There has only been one clown so far and that's you with your little snotty sideline comments ...where is your contribution????? what a joke you are

seafire

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

Yes people may not be able to hear or perceive the sound differences.

At Juilliard we were required to have "Ear Training". Early stages was focused on intervals. It was clear that there was a very large range of capability and talent among the students. The ideal student was the one who had perfect pitch, instant recall and great sight reading. Everyone else had relative pitch and needed to study and memorize the music.

Oh ok you are referring to timing within the music which I know as pace I thought you were referring to timing from source to speakers what modulation are you using??(modulation compensator)

ben62670

seafire wrote: »

Ben give me a break will you read a couple of posts up I stated that !!

Can you reread my post. I said people like you. I know you like the attention, and you feel very smart educating us dumb people that can hear a difference in cables. Obviously you can't hear a difference. Consider yourself blessed. Now put two glasses of wine in front of me, and I can't tell the difference between $10 a bottle wine, and $500 a bottle wine. Cheese on the other hand I can.
Rock on buddy.

seafire

Josesph.v.chen please bear with me as I really would like to talk to you about this field I have been doing a lot of research on this subject and it's scary how much we humans rely on perceptions formed during childhood and through our environment during the forming years.Hearing especially is greatly influenced by what we are exposed to and then perceive as "ideal sound/music etc) would really like to chat about this in a new thread sometime

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

Can you reread my post. I said people like you. I know you like the attention, and you feel very smart educating us dumb people that can hear a difference in cables. Obviously you can't hear a difference. Consider yourself blessed. Now put two glasses of wine in front of me, and I can't tell the difference between $10 a bottle wine, and $500 a bottle wine. Cheese on the other hand I can.
Rock on buddy.

Still waiting for your take on why...I gather (speaking under correction) that you manufacture some of your own cable ...if so why aren't you buying all the brand names ...I make my own speaker cables cat 45e twisted pairs up to three meters I run x4 twisted pairs per side 3m-6m x6 twisted pairs..with this setup compared to major branded cables I have found differences so small that it's simply not worth bothering any further and many a victim was caught with this simple setup in a blindfold test as stated earlier;)One of these people is a friend of mine ..very wealthy with a self acclaimed audiophile ear with 1OO OOO$ worth of top class audio gear from many manufacturers and a private sound proofed listening room.He spent a fortune on VD HULL and some other brands.Today her runs normal cat 5 cable on all his equipment

AudioGenics

ben62670 wrote: »

Can you reread my post. I said people like you. I know you like the attention, and you feel very smart educating us dumb people that can hear a difference in cables. Obviously you can't hear a difference. Consider yourself blessed. Now put two glasses of wine in front of me, and I can't tell the difference between $10 a bottle wine, and $500 a bottle wine. Cheese on the other hand I can.
Rock on buddy.

hmmmm... give me all the bottles of wine to drink and I'll let you know when they are all finished and empty if I can tell a difference between anything ..,,,burp.... LOL

nooshinjohn

seafire wrote: »

There has only been one clown so far and that's you with your little snotty sideline comments ...where is your contribution????? what a joke you are

Is this Bob C?;)
.... I sure hope not:o

madmax

Why is it that talk of wire and cables pulls the idiots out of the woodwork? Next thing you know people are going to believe tube electrons act no differently than SS electrons when run through a conductor.
madmax

seafire

madmax wrote: »

Why is it that talk of wire and cables pulls the idiots out of the woodwork? Next thing you know people are going to believe tube electrons act no differently than SS electrons when run through a conductor.
madmax

Now Madmax you should no better the diff is I can show you the tube versus ss elecs sonic signature while functioning on a variety of test equipment and also confirm this by ear.Not so with speaker cables -I have yet to see the diff on test equipment once the basic natural flow of the signal has been met ie. similiar resistance lenght etc

AudioGenics

madmax wrote: »

Why is it that talk of wire and cables pulls the idiots out of the woodwork? Next thing you know people are going to believe tube electrons act no differently than SS electrons when run through a conductor.
madmax

.....It takes about 150 attoseconds for an electron to circle the nucleus of an atom.....

seafire

Anyway I have been asking for answers-views - various scientific outlooks hmmm very few takers just a bunch of personal insults :rolleyes:So I am out of here ....dont let me catch any of you gurus with a roll of CAT 45 under the arm;):D

heiney9

seafire wrote: »

So I am out of here

For real this time.............or are you teasing!

seafire

heiney9 wrote: »

For real this time.............or are you teasing!

You decide

AudioGenics

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ben62670

A few final words for our friend the seafairy

Science is great, but like examples for taste, or sight I have given you can't tell someone what they can or can not hear, taste, smell, feel, or see. Some people are ticklish. Some aren't. People have different levels of sensitivity including their ears;)

Most people are skeptical about cables when they are first introduced to the idea of cables making a difference.

I don't have crap for money. Never was rich. I certainly would not go along with the fairy tale of cables making a difference if they didn't. I would much rather have been able to put that money in other areas in my system.

Every 3rd post is you. Just curious what are you trying to achieve here?

steveinaz

When you live in a box, the world is pretty boring.

Erik Tracy

I sense an invasion by the avs objectionists, or whatever is they call themselves.

Odd, cuz they label those who try things for themselves and listen for themselves and can hear changes as believing on 'faith' - yet not nary a one of the objectionists (or is it supposed to be objectivists?) have actually posted they tried things for themselves but simply parrot back what they have read about supposed human perception experiments or studies....and that the part that strikes me as odd - because ardently parroting back something they have only read about and have not tried or experienced or witnessed for themselves...isn't THAT 'faith'?

I trust my own ears...and have heard differences for myself in ICs and cables.

When someone tries to deconstruct my own senses and experiences with sophist arguments about how senses can be tricked or influenced by beliefs - I will let them pass by and let their noise subside into the distance.

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

A few final words for our friend the seafairy

Science is great, but like examples for taste, or sight I have given you can't tell someone what they can or can not hear, taste, smell, feel, or see. Some people are ticklish. Some aren't. People have different levels of sensitivity including their ears;)

Most people are skeptical about cables when they are first introduced to the idea of cables making a difference.

I don't have crap for money. Never was rich. I certainly would not go along with the fairy tale of cables making a difference if they didn't. I would much rather have been able to put that money in other areas in my system.

Every 3rd post is you. Just curious what are you trying to achieve here?

Ok I will make a last attempt please go through my posts and tell me that it makes NO difference.I said from the first post that if you use real crappy cable you will see a major diff.What I am up against is ppl spending thousands of dollars and then discusss the sweeter sound of this hi end cable against that one.I have really done the blindfold tests..I dare you try it for yourself with any reasonable quality speaker cable...like I said I use cat 5 because it's twisted so already has noise rejection..made from very good quality copper(99% of the time ) and has certain specifications to adhere to.After all it is used for data transfer all over the world including big parts of this specific communication.It also is very near to what the signal travels with on the pcb board so I found it to be very neutral taking nothing away and adding nothing.Its also so damm close to expensive cable that i have stopped wasting my time with that direction.I also happen to be in an industry where data transfer over cable is part of my daily work profile.Ever heard of video signal being transfred over long distances withcat 45 twisted pair and baluns?Why because in this modern day and age its still the best solution.One question...Have you ever done a test with twisted pair cat 45 cable..try it back to back blindfolded with what ever your cable of preference is and then come back to me.I would really be interested to hear your feedback regards Seafire:)

tcrossma

seafire wrote: »

Anyway I have been asking for answers-views - various scientific outlooks hmmm very few takers just a bunch of personal insults :rolleyes:So I am out of here ....dont let me catch any of you gurus with a roll of CAT 45 under the arm;):D

I have no idea what the science is behind the speaker cables, nor do I really know how my amp works, or how to measure the performance of a car engine. Nor do I care.

But upgrades to IC's and speakers cables have made a difference in my system. Your Cat5 cables might sounds great in my system too -- I don't know. Or they might not, but I'm not going to take *your* word for it. I have tried many cables in my system, some I've like and some I've not, and in the end, for me, it's just a matter of some trial and error. And it's not like everyone here spends thousands of dollars on cables. Some of the most popular recommendations given on this forum are for very affordable solutions.

ben62670

Umm data is hard on hard off 1 and zeros. Analog is much more critical of a decent cable and operates over a much broader frequency range. Please stop regurgitating ignorance.

Again real simple question with a real simple answer. Even you should be able to figure out what you are trying to convey here

Every 3rd post is you. Just curious what are you trying to achieve here?