Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

hearingimpared

Seafire, your entire attitude since joining this discussion has been insulting and condecending so why do you think anyone is going to treat you any differently?

dkg999

hearingimpared wrote: »

Seafire, your entire attitude since joining this discussion has been insulting and condecending so why do you think anyone is going to treat you any differently?

Allow me!

Yet another insult!

seafire

scottnbnj wrote: »

there you go, it's not that difficult.

you hear a difference.

so, your position is that your cables are the only ones that don't sound the same.

humbly, i think there might be a flaw in that sort of logic somewhere.

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Again read all my replies then re think your reply:rolleyes:

ben62670

seefairy lets take it slow so I can understand.
What you are saying is that you can hear a difference in cheap cables, and the CAT5 cables you have heard?

scottnbnj

seafire wrote: »

Read again that's all I am going to say:cool:

hey man, i think it's cool that you have the only cables that sound different.

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AudioGenics

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seafire

Very interesting .So interesting that quiet a few ppl have pm'd me pvt and are agree with some of my views...difference is that I dont run with the flock of sheep blaah blaah careful not to step on some poor forum members toes.Most of you and again I say most not all in this thread are a bunch of spineless woozies all swimming down the same old river never challenging always sold out on hype..the contributions have been one insult after the other without anyone really challenging my various outlooks including ppl participating in the insult slinging frenzy with equipment so inferior that washing line cable wouldn't make a difference..again tell me how your 1000$ p/m cable is justified if the signal just joined it off a couple of micron thick cheap pcb track.To most..open up those commercial speakers and see how your 1000$ p meter cable terminates inside the speaker box / crossover.Wipe the s.@##% from your eyes and have some coffee.To the few that own the equipment that justifies these exotic speaker leads I guess your lucky if your audio gear has signal tracks of at least the capacity or close to the interconnects you are using,otherwise you are also dammned so that leaves very few who have the pleasure of owning such equipment and so can justify(thick audio signal tracks etc) to the rest I AM WAITING! If you cannot justify the logic to this don't be like frustrated little boys that need to reply with insults because they have no answers!!!!

Fongolio

joseph.v.chen wrote: »

Teasing is a word with many meanings. In human interactions, teasing comes in two major forms, playful and hurtful. In mild cases, and especially when it is reciprocal, teasing can be viewed as playful and friendly. However, teasing is often unwelcome and then it takes the form of harassment. In extreme cases, teasing may escalate to actual violence, and may even result in abuse, potentially meeting the legal definition of child abuse......wikipedia

Mr. Chen, although I agree with the content quoting wikipedia is like saying "my neighbor Bob says it's true so it must be". Wikipedia is pretty much universally accepted as being an unreliable source at best.

hearingimpared

seafire wrote: »

Very interesting .So interesting that quiet a few ppl have pm'd me pvt and are agree with some of my views...difference is that I dont run with the flock of sheep blaah blaah careful not to step on some poor forum members toes.Most of you and again I say most not all in this thread are a bunch of spineless woozies all swimming down the same old river never challenging always sold out on hype..the contributions have been one insult after the other without anyone really challenging my various outlooks including ppl participating in the insult slinging frenzy with equipment so inferior that washing line cable wouldn't make a difference..again tell me how your 1000$ p/m cable is justified if the signal just joined it off a couple of micron thick cheap pcb track.To most..open up those commercial speakers and see how your 1000$ p meter cable terminates inside the speaker box / crossover.Wipe the s.@##% from your eyes and have some coffee.To the few that own the equipment that justifies these exotic speaker leads I guess your lucky if your audio gear has signal tracks of at least the capacity or close to the interconnects you are using,otherwise you are also dammned so that leaves very few who have the pleasure of owning such equipment and so can justify(thick audio signal tracks etc) to the rest I AM WAITING! If you cannot justify the logic to this don't be like frustrated little boys that need to reply with insults because they have no answers!!!!

I rest my case.

Fongolio

seafire wrote: »

Very interesting .So interesting that quiet a few ppl have pm'd me pvt and are agree with some of my views...difference is that I dont run with the flock of sheep blaah blaah careful not to step on some poor forum members toes.Most of you and again I say most not all in this thread are a bunch of spineless woozies all swimming down the same old river never challenging always sold out on hype..the contributions have been one insult after the other without anyone really challenging my various outlooks including ppl participating in the insult slinging frenzy with equipment so inferior that washing line cable wouldn't make a difference..again tell me how your 1000$ p/m cable is justified if the signal just joined it off a couple of micron thick cheap pcb track.To most..open up those commercial speakers and see how your 1000$ p meter cable terminates inside the speaker box / crossover.Wipe the s.@##% from your eyes and have some coffee.To the few that own the equipment that justifies these exotic speaker leads I guess your lucky if your audio gear has signal tracks of at least the capacity or close to the interconnects you are using,otherwise you are also dammned so that leaves very few who have the pleasure of owning such equipment and so can justify(thick audio signal tracks etc) to the rest I AM WAITING! If you cannot justify the logic to this don't be like frustrated little boys that need to reply with insults because they have no answers!!!!

Mr. Seafire, bottom line....who cares what anyone here thinks. If you hear no difference or are satisfied with cheaper ones great!! Why this fight to the death to defend your point of view. And to everyone else throwing insults and name calling....why do you care so much? Just curious.

ben62670

My speakers are terminated with AQ wire on the inside, and silver wire on the tweeters. In general commercial speakers are not really in the range of HiFi to me. More like MidFi. Inside nearly all commercial speakers you will see pretty lame crossover components IMHO. Has anyone called you SeaBiscuit yet? This thread really isn't worth reading.

Fongolio wrote: »

Mr. Seafire, bottom line....who cares what anyone here thinks. If you hear no difference or are satisfied with cheaper ones great!! Why this fight to the death to defend your point of view. And to everyone else throwing insults and name calling....why do you care so much? Just curious.

It's raining and I am board. I don't really care.

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

My speakers are terminated with AQ wire on the inside, and silver wire on the tweeters. In general commercial speakers are not really in the range of HiFi to me. More like MidFi. Inside nearly all commercial speakers you will see pretty lame crossover components IMHO. Has anyone called you SeaBiscuit yet? This thread really isn't worth reading.



It's raining and I am board. I don't really care.

YET AGAIN !!! Another reply linked to another insult You actually agreed that commercial speakers are pretty lame inside now answer my question with regards to lame cd players and amps and your logic behind the justification of exotic interconnects this time without the insults maybe I would gain a little respect for this hopeless thread
:cool:

AudioGenics

Fongolio wrote: »

Mr. Chen, although I agree with the content quoting wikipedia is like saying "my neighbor Bob says it's true so it must be". Wikipedia is pretty much universally accepted as being an unreliable source at best.

definitely agree !

seafire

Fongolio wrote: »

Mr. Seafire, bottom line....who cares what anyone here thinks. If you hear no difference or are satisfied with cheaper ones great!! Why this fight to the death to defend your point of view. And to everyone else throwing insults and name calling....why do you care so much? Just curious.

Actually I really don't just hanging most here by their own ropes..Do yourself a favour and scroll back it's interesting how all these "so called fundus can only reply with insults and name slugging;)

scottnbnj

seafire wrote: »

... again tell me how your [speaker] cable is justified ...

uh,dude. you think you're the only person that can hear a difference between cables? why do you get so upset that someone likes a cable that sounds different than yours?

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SCompRacer

There are some amps that react unfavorably with high capacitance cables and low impedance speakers. Some amp manufacturers actually publish a maximum capacitance per foot figure for cables in their manuals. Some manufacturers will tell you or name cables you should not use.

I've read responses from proponents of Cat5 speaker cable telling folks with amp oscillation problems to add Zobel networks or use shorter cables. Knowing that, Cat5, or any other high capacitance cable, is not the ultimate answer for everyone.

Fongolio

ben62670 wrote: »

It's raining and I am board. I don't really care.

Thankyou for your honesty Ben.

ben62670

seafire wrote: »

YET AGAIN !!! Another reply linked to another insult You actually agreed that commercial speakers are pretty lame inside now answer my question with regards to lame cd players and amps and your logic behind the justification of exotic interconnects this time without the insults maybe I would gain a little respect for this hopeless thread
:cool:

Come on dude you don't think it is even a little funny? OK Commercial speakers. I don't run commercial speakers, pre amp, or stock amps. I build, or mod everything I get my hands on. The more I mod the more each component makes a difference. Seriously again you are saying that you can hear a difference between cheap cables, and your CAT5's? Also what color/colors is the moon/moons on your planet:p Have a little fun. I saw some humor a while back with the Uranus crack. I thought that was funny.
Ben

dkg999

You'all do realize that cables with blue or red outer coverings sound much better than cables with any other color outer covering? We're all in agreement with that, right?

inspiredsports

dkg999 wrote: »

You'all do realize that cables with blue or red outer coverings sound much better than cables with any other color outer covering? We're all in agreement with that, right?

I thought you were supposed to use the same green magic marker that you use on the outside rim of your CD's to improve them

ben62670

dkg999 wrote: »

You'all do realize that cables with blue or red outer coverings sound much better than cables with any other color outer covering? We're all in agreement with that, right?

Damn I need to change out the cables I am using on my highs now. Thanks Dkg:mad:

Ya know what this thread reminds me of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBxeCV0bIcU


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inspiredsports wrote: »

I thought you were supposed to use the same green magic marker that you use on the outside rim of your CD's to improve them

OK now you guys are just confusing me

seafire

scottnbnj wrote: »

uh,dude. you think you're the only person that can hear a difference between cables? why do you get so upset that someone likes a cable that sounds different than yours?

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Not at all upset just hoped to get some clarification on why and some debate on my views trust me I'm not upset just dishing back what's been flung at me;)

megasat16

Crap! My cables are all white with stripes on one side.

Should I add techflex on the white stuff? Does anyone know what color techflex works best on the Speaker cables?

dkg999

Blue or red techflex will make a significant improvement in the sound of your cables. Consult Wikipedia if you need further confirmation.

ben62670

dkg999 wrote: »

Blue or red techflex will make a significant improvement in the sound of your cables. Consult Wikipedia if you need further confirmation.

Regular, or neon? I am ready to order. Is it safe to mix colors?

seafire

ben62670 wrote: »

Come on dude you don't think it is even a little funny? OK Commercial speakers. I don't run commercial speakers, pre amp, or stock amps. I build, or mod everything I get my hands on. The more I mod the more each component makes a difference. Seriously again you are saying that you can hear a difference between cheap cables, and your CAT5's? Also what color/colors is the moon/moons on your planet:p Have a little fun. I saw some humor a while back with the Uranus crack. I thought that was funny.
Ben

YEAHAAAA I think we are going forward(I hope).Honestly I also mod most of my equipment mostly for the better sometimes for the worse;)I run huge customs speaks all HQ stuff ...well when I last checked in the mirror my planet(uranus) was dark:D as for my cat cable ok I admit I run it cos it looks trick all those mixed colours I am a real audiophile...see how my hifi sounds millions of flashing leds even better:p

ben62670

LOL. I love to mod. A few caps changed out, and resistors in the right place can make a huge difference. I also love to change out OpAmps;) Do you have a link to your speakers?

seafire

No serious what I like about cat is I can run many formats and believe me I tried them all;) one of my friends spent his whole holiday breading a 26 twisted pair per side....looked major trick ....sound hmmmm wasnt really sure and anyway was on his rig didnt listen;) before and after

Erik Tracy

seafire wrote: »

Very interesting .So interesting that quiet a few ppl have pm'd me pvt and are agree with some of my views...difference is that I dont run with the flock of sheep blaah blaah careful not to step on some poor forum members toes.Most of you and again I say most not all in this thread are a bunch of spineless woozies all swimming down the same old river never challenging always sold out on hype..the contributions have been one insult after the other without anyone really challenging my various outlooks including ppl participating in the insult slinging frenzy with equipment so inferior that washing line cable wouldn't make a difference..again tell me how your 1000$ p/m cable is justified if the signal just joined it off a couple of micron thick cheap pcb track.To most..open up those commercial speakers and see how your 1000$ p meter cable terminates inside the speaker box / crossover.Wipe the s.@##% from your eyes and have some coffee.To the few that own the equipment that justifies these exotic speaker leads I guess your lucky if your audio gear has signal tracks of at least the capacity or close to the interconnects you are using,otherwise you are also dammned so that leaves very few who have the pleasure of owning such equipment and so can justify(thick audio signal tracks etc) to the rest I AM WAITING! If you cannot justify the logic to this don't be like frustrated little boys that need to reply with insults because they have no answers!!!!

I don't acknowledge that your waiting for logic is a counter argument for personal experimentation and audible detection of differences in cables.

That is sophist hand waiving to dismiss the type of objectivity which the audio athiest camp uses as their central concept to the notion that all cables sound the same, all amps sound the same, all cd players sound the same, etc, et al.

Most of the cable proponents here have tried direct experimentation - for themselves - and have heard a difference/improvement in SQ of one type of cable vs another.

The linking of human perception studies is also sophist hand waiving which attempts to deconstruct direct personal experimentation in an attempt to discredit what may or may not be attributed to real or 'self delusional/faulty human' perception.

Direct experimentation and observation is the very basis for 'scientific observation'.

If all human perception can be deconstructed to being unreliable, then many scientific theories should also be deconstructed and declared suspect and rejected because they are in part or in whole based on 'observation'.

Try the green eggs and ham - You may like them. You will see!

tcrossma

seafire wrote: »

again tell me how your 1000$ p/m cable is justified if the signal just joined it off a couple of micron thick cheap pcb track.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that the speaker cables used by folks around here cost $1000/meter.