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  • rskarvan
    rskarvan Posts: 2,374
    edited May 2006
    Some people say bi-wiring a speaker improves the sound. I wonder if the same can be said for a power cords? Has anyone tried running two sets of very high end, oxygen-free 99.99999% copper wires and compared that to a single run?

    <<< The insanity never ceases >>>
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  • Skynut
    Skynut Posts: 2,967
    edited May 2006
    My Sherbourn amp uses 2 power cords and it sounds great.
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited May 2006
    dorokusai wrote:
    James - Just be happy that you won't hear "Dueling Banjos" when you drive up to Jesse's house, now that he has moved out of the bat cave.

    But could anyone hear the difference if he changed brands of banjo strings? :p
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,814
    edited May 2006
    But could anyone hear the difference if he changed brands of banjo strings?


    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    James, I'll keep the amp warmed up.
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited May 2006
    no cables here. Click to enlarge.. . . . . . the picture that is.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited May 2006
    SKsolutions wrote:
    no cables here. Click to enlarge.. . . . . . the picture that is.

    I'd hit it.
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  • Toxis
    Toxis Posts: 5,116
    edited May 2006
    I would do anything she asked...
    Never kick a fresh **** on a hot day.

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    Car Setup: OEM Radio, RF 360.2v2, Polk SR6500 quad amped off 4 Xtant 1.1 100w mono amps, Xtant 6.1 to run an eD 13av.2, all Stinger wiring and Raammat deadener.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited May 2006
    I would insert my power cord in her.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • P.HUNT
    P.HUNT Posts: 211
    edited May 2006
    I would make shure that I pluged all her outlets
    PROCESSOR-- Sherbourn PT-7010A
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    PS Audio power cords
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  • marker
    marker Posts: 1,084
    edited May 2006
    She's sure got sum pretty white teeth!

    I'd make her squeal like a pig!! :D:) :cool: :eek: ;):p:o
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  • SKsolutions
    SKsolutions Posts: 1,820
    edited May 2006
    Very sweet and elegant interface.
    -Ignorance is strength -
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  • mantis
    mantis Posts: 17,205
    edited May 2006
    marker wrote:
    But could anyone hear the difference if he changed brands of banjo strings? :p

    Actually strings make a huge difference. They sound alot different. They also come in different guages which effects tone and playability. On guitar, for me thinner strings work better as I can Harmonic all over the neck, with thicker strings, I have a harder time doing so.
    Also different brand strings sound different. Some are bright and some are smooth, some sound like ****.

    They are more noticable then powercords. I have swapped out alot of different powercords and found some improvement.I find speaker wire and Ic's to make a bigger difference. It could be the level I'm at with cables but I'm only getting small Improvements now over what I owned before.

    Dan
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  • samNOISE
    samNOISE Posts: 7
    edited February 2007
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    Don't Cha' Just Lov' IC/PC Discussions...

    Everyone is so friendly and amicable to one another ;)

    I've conducted blind IC auditions and found no difference, I assisted others with the process - they too found no differences. The actual process is outlined here:

    http://cdnav.com/cdnav/viewtopic.php?t=164 (Note link in first paragraph)

    Will conduct power-cord auditions in much the same way (suggested tweaks to the process and procedure are invited), using an ingenious little device that I came up with: its a simple Y with a male power plug assembly to insert into the stereo component in question, as well as two 'branch' female plug assemblies the receive power cable A or power cable B, simultaneously and seperatly.

    This will allow instant cable swaps: no powering down / powering-up bull, no time-lags, no musical memory loss... no excuses!

    All components in the final device assembly will be Golden-Ear-Worthy (Cryo' etc.). The current prototype is constructed of parts salvaged from a PC power supply and a PC power cable. None of the wires are over three inches in length, and at present, (I personally, a fellow who is rather proud of his auditory acumen) cannot discern differences between Belden freebee cables vs. a fancy DIY job with Cryo ends and cable...

    We shall see how this little utility works when employed in a blind audition vs. uber-priced cables...

    Will keep you posted, have to conduct a blind 'Golden-Fuse' audition in the spring first...

    Andrew D.
    cdnav.com
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited February 2007
    ...you know there's absolutely no way a 5 year old can play the piano either. Climb out of the box man.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2007
    Wow...another white knight on a quest to save us from the throes of cable voodoo. Thank you, thank you, thank you! What would we do without them? :rolleyes:
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited February 2007
    Sam -- Don't bring that bullsh*t in here. We could care less. It's a dead issue.
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    F1nut wrote:
    John,

    I grew up the son of a highly respected physicist who also built audio equipment in his spare time, including a tube amp and TT from scratch. He is the typical scientist, skeptical at best. In conversations with him about high end cables, he basically said they can't make a difference. So I invited him to hear it for himself and without knowing brand names or the cost of any of the cables I use, he listened. Shaking his head and with a big smile he admitted to hearing a difference. That, my friend, is having an open mind. Get it!?!

    I have tried to see if I can hear a difference and I can't, I wish I could. I really find it very difficult to remember the sonic character while switching cables.

    I don't doubt that people who cplaim to hear a difference do hear a difference.

    However, I would like to see the results of say 10 doudle blind tests (a test that the switcher doesn't know what cable is what) that has the output voltage matched exactly between two different cables. A louder output would be audioable if the resistance changed between cables.

    If there is such a test with results and it is decribed in detail please let me know. That would at least demonstrate that the effect is audioble.

    Otherwise this debate goes on and on and on.....

    Thanks

    Peter
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2007
    bikezappa wrote:
    Otherwise this debate goes on and on and on.....

    It goes on and on no matter what. Those that can only hear a difference when they know what widget is being used, claim that double-blind tests aren't valid. :D
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    PolkThug wrote:
    It goes on and on no matter what. Those that can only hear a difference when they know what widget is being used, claim that double-blind tests aren't valid. :D


    I'm not sue why the double bind test isn't valid. It is used throughout science and medicine for many years very successfully.

    As I understand it these cables can make big differences.
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  • polktiger
    polktiger Posts: 556
    edited February 2007
    Coke or Pepsi? That was a great double blind test. Amazingly, I never saw anyone the chose Coke. Point being, even with a real double blind test, I am not sure you can get the user of the test results to factor out any perceived bias on the part of the test administrator.

    This is still going to be a personal choice. For those that don't buy the high priced cables - rejoyce, you have saved a bunch of money and laugh at the uninformed that have wasted theirs. For those that buy the high end cables - rejoyce, for you have a better sounding system than the tight wads that didn't buy the cables.

    Personally, my rooms and systems have bigger issues than simply cables. For those that are at that stage, you are pretty fortunate.
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2007
    Double blind test are only valuable to the doubters. They are the one's that want PROOF. I have my proof and don't feel the need to prove it to anyone else. I am glad to pass along my experience and/or observations...no more...no less. If it has value to anyone...fine. If not...fine as well.
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2007
    bikezappa wrote:
    I'm not sue why the double bind test isn't valid. It is used throughout science and medicine for many years very successfully.

    You dare to question Audioquest!!!! If they say double blind tests aren't valid, then they aren't! What would they have to gain by lying? Er...
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    PolkThug wrote:
    You dare to question Audioquest!!!! If they say double blind tests aren't valid, then they aren't! What would they have to gain by lying? Er...



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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
    edited February 2007
    bikezappa wrote:
    I'm not sue why the double bind test isn't valid. It is used throughout science and medicine for many years very successfully.

    These tests don't work for purely subjective matters such as audio which is based on what you feel and hear.
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2007
    I buy a cable whether it be a power cord, IC, digital IC, or speaker wires. I place it in my system. I listen, if I like the way the new cables sound, I keep it, if I don't hear any difference or don't like the way they sound, back to the seller they go.

    Now as an added bonus to my life, I can use my wife's ears also and asked her opinion on these types of changes/upgrades.

    I don't understand why the naysayers are so adamant about disputing what we hear whether it goes against science or not.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2007
    I'm not sue why the double bind test isn't valid. It is used throughout science and medicine for many years very successfully.
    .

    Because none of the golden ears has been able to pass them, therefore they are invalid. Go figure...
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,814
    edited February 2007
    Well, that settles it. I'm going back to those generic patch cords and JVC shelf system from Wally Mart. Thanks for saving me from my delusions.

    I've conducted blind IC auditions and found no difference, I assisted others with the process - they too found no differences.

    Actually, if I read your comments correctly, everyone found a difference, but couldn't do it correctly 100% of the time. The fact that you faired better than the others just proves to me what I've known all along. No one knows how their system sounds better than the person who owns it and this hobby is highly subjective. Speaking for myself, one day my system can sound awful, another day it's pure audio bliss. A/B that!
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2007
    WilliamM2 wrote:
    Because none of the golden ears has been able to pass them, therefore they are invalid. Go figure...

    Thing is...you could deliver the proof to all the naysayers and they still wouldn't believe it. Go figure...
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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited February 2007
    So, we've seen people at least claim to go from non-believer to believer, however, I can't recall anyone switching camps the other way. It seems that once you drink the juice, you never stop.

    I'm too poor to afford expensive cables so I'll never know what I'm missing :(
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2007
    shack wrote:
    Thing is...you could deliver the proof to all the naysayers and they still wouldn't believe it. Go figure...

    Thats the great thing about subjectivity, there is no proof. Religion anyone? :D
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