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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,020
    edited February 2007
    Honestly Shack and Jesse,Don't know why you give these nut jobs the time of day.I'll include myself in that statement also.:p

    Fact is...if none of this made a difference in SQ,then a whole industry would
    not exist and rat shack would corner the market with their I/C's.
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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited February 2007
    Anti-aging creams and get rich quick seminars seem to do ok as well.

    And no, I have no horse in this race, just saying non-effective products do exist and do sell.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,020
    edited February 2007
    PhantomOG wrote:
    Anti-aging creams and get rich quick seminars seem to do ok as well.

    And no, I have no horse in this race, just saying non-effective products do exist and do sell.

    I'll take one of each!!:D :D
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    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • PhantomOG
    PhantomOG Posts: 2,409
    edited February 2007
    tonyb wrote:
    I'll take one of each!!:D :D

    No doubt! As I was dragged through the cosmetics section of Macy's this past weekend, I saw I nice display for some anti-aging cream. A tiny 6oz. tube cost only $150 :eek:

    I thought, "For that much money, it must work!" :D
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    Early B. wrote:
    These tests don't work for purely subjective matters such as audio which is based on what you feel and hear.


    If they are subjrctive and are based on feelings then are they real?
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2007
    PolkThug wrote:
    Thats the great thing about subjectivity, there is no proof. Religion anyone? :D

    That's the great thing about subjectivity, there is faith. Religion anyone? :D
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,782
    edited February 2007
    Thing is...you could deliver the proof to all the naysayers and they still wouldn't believe it. Go figure...

    How do you know that? No one has ever delivered the proof.
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    shack wrote:
    That's the great thing about subjectivity, there is faith. Religion anyone? :D


    How much is it?
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2007
    WilliamM2 wrote:
    How do you know that? No one has ever delivered the proof.

    How do you know no one has? Maybe they just forgot to let you have the info.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited February 2007
    bikezappa wrote:
    How much is it?

    Free.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase

    "Consistency requires you to be as ignorant today as you were a year ago." - Bernard Berenson
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    It's from Kansas
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2007
    shack wrote:
    That's the great thing about subjectivity, there is faith. Religion anyone? :D

    I may fall into this camp, sort of an Agnostic Cable Believer. I have yet to see anyone distinguish differences in IC's in a blind test, or hear a difference myself, but I haven't lost all faith that I might see it happen someday. :cool:
    Never Forget
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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2007
    bikezappa wrote:
    It's from Kansas

    Carry on, my wayward son.
    Never Forget
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,907
    edited February 2007
    Good grief mateys! Some dumbass dragged this out of the woodpile and it's actually being ressurrected? :rolleyes:
    2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    If there is an issue with getting a pure AC electrical power then the simplest and ultimate solution would be to power you preamp and power amp with batteries. The cost for high end line conditioners and electric power cords is more than the cost of two 12 volt batteries and charger. You just charge up a bank of batteries over night and switch the charger off and connect the batteries to the pre amp and power amp. I bet you could listen to music for 8 hours before the batteries need to be recharged. What a mess the lead acid batteries would make, but you could use NiCad batteries.

    Think about it PURE DC to power your amps. No connections to the bad electric company and all that RF interferance. And it would be much cheaper.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,020
    edited February 2007
    Yeah,but that would open a new market for batteries that had different
    sound quality's.
    I'll take two!!!:)
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited February 2007
    tonyb wrote:
    I'll take one of each!!:D :D


    ROTF WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2007
    You mean 12 volts DC for a battery can be different?

    How so?

    Lead acid compared to NiCad.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,020
    edited February 2007
    No man...eveready vs. duracell............
    I think the Duracells are kick ****.:D
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited February 2007
    Aftermarket Power Cords, IC and Speaker cables do make an obvious sonic difference in my two channel rig. the higher the resolution a system has the more you can hear the difference. Tubes do not all sound alike either!
    Rogue Audio stereo 100 tube amplifier - Lector Zoe preamplifier with 6H30 pi's
    .Audience AU24SE speaker and ic cables- Chord Qutest DAC - Black Cat Silverstar II 75ohm digital cable-Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Signature system with large bass cabinets to accommodate 10" Seas magnesium woofers.2xhmpsuownoj.jpg
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  • polktiger
    polktiger Posts: 556
    edited February 2007
    For what it is worth, I have found that my portable CD player sounds the same whether I have cheap old rayovac or bunny batteries. But it my be my cheap headphones fault!:o
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited February 2007
    Because of the unreliability of our senses when affected by preconceptions and uncontrolled conditions, the existence of differences can only be determined by properly controlled(e.g. DBT) tests. Only after differences have been shown to actually exist(e.g. speakers)does subjectivity come into play to determine which of the differences we prefer.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,020
    edited February 2007
    John K. wrote:
    Because of the unreliability of our senses when affected by preconceptions and uncontrolled conditions, the existence of differences can only be determined by properly controlled(e.g. DBT) tests. Only after differences have been shown to actually exist(e.g. speakers)does subjectivity come into play to determine which of the differences we prefer.


    I dunno....my senses are pretty reliable.....

    I can still smell B.S !!!
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    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,814
    edited February 2007
    John K. wrote:
    Because of the unreliability of our senses when affected by preconceptions and uncontrolled conditions, the existence of differences can only be determined by properly controlled(e.g. DBT) tests. Only after differences have been shown to actually exist(e.g. speakers)does subjectivity come into play to determine which of the differences we prefer.

    Anti HI-FI Audio Insurgent sighting.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • PolkThug
    PolkThug Posts: 7,532
    edited February 2007
    Power cords are for lo-fi grunt gear. I have the Romex going directly from the wall into my components.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,814
    edited February 2007
    Is that solid core or stranded? :)
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • samNOISE
    samNOISE Posts: 7
    edited February 2007
    .
    Early

    When did your God die and make you president of me?
    Sam -- Don't bring that bullsh*t in here

    I offer to bring forth a new, never-been-tried on any forum method of testing the audibility of power cables and you dismiss it without even asking a single question?!

    Did you actually read the procedure I have outlined: live swapping of power cables without powering down, or even reducing the volume of a power amplifier!? If there is any single evaluation that could settle this power cable question once and for all - it’s the ability to 'live-swap' power cables while a musical track is playing.

    1) It removes the single largest swapping problem: that of 'musical memory'
    2) If a certain 'holographic depth' or whatever is present with a ‘specialty’ power cable, it should collapse when putt-putt cable freebee is put into play - and that would be immediately and unmistakably audible

    Consider it: you are listening to your favorite musical track, one with immaculate fidelity, sound-staging, and all of the other audiophile superlatives, while auditioning any power cable - and someone unplugs it and leaves a freebee / give-away power cable connected, then a few moments later, swaps back the 'high-end' cable. All without changing the volume or anything else. Don’t you agree that this represents the best possible scenario ever devised to get to the bottom of this issue which haunts every single A/V forum?

    Andrew D.
    Cdnav
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,814
    edited February 2007
    Andrew,

    I read all of your comments and while I can see you put a lot of thought into the procedures, I think you're missing the entire point. There are differences in just about everything involved with this hobby including the fact that no two people hear exactly the same. That said, you also missed the fact that there are a helluva lot of folks that can hear a difference in gear and cables. To dismiss such a large number of people defies all logic. For whatever reason, you and folks that think like you, seem to be on an hell bent mission to tell folks that what they hear isn't real, to the point of nausea. My question is, why? What purpose does it serve? I'm ok with the fact that you and others can't hear a difference. Buy a system from Rat Shack or whatever and be happy. Stop trying to force the issue, you're certainly not going to change the minds of those that hear the differences just as I'm not going to change the minds of people like you. The bottom line is simple, you have to try it for yourself, with your own gear, in your own house, with your own music and let your own ears decide.

    By all means, test away, but you shouldn't be surprised, nor get angry if folks don't agree with you and tell you it's BS. You are not the audio God, no one is.

    Jesse
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2007
    John K. wrote:
    Because of the unreliability of our senses when affected by preconceptions and uncontrolled conditions, the existence of differences can only be determined by properly controlled(e.g. DBT) tests. Only after differences have been shown to actually exist(e.g. speakers)does subjectivity come into play to determine which of the differences we prefer.

    Anti HI-FI Audio Insurgent
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited February 2007
    I am not buying this crap about Musical Memory being so short.

    Given three tones or even two tones the brain can identify many songs, why, it recognizes and remembers both pitch and tone, many many average folks can sing a tune within a half tone of the correct pitch from memory without music.

    Musical Memory in folks is amazing.

    IN the words of Sir Elton John--Screw You.

    RT1
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