Power Cords realy help!

WilliamM2

As far as the double blind tests, they appear to force people to try to distinguish cable A from cables B, C and D rather than just saying 'can you hear a difference between this one and that one'.

That's simply not true. All of the DBT tests I have read about, only required that the listener identify when the cable has changed, They did not have to identify which was which. They still failed.

PolkThug

dragon1952 wrote:

Objectivists tend to scoff at the 'Golden Ear' theory. To them all hearing is created equal. I'm not sure where they get that notion. Maybe because everyone has ears?

Who says that? They aren't "objectivists", they're idiots.

LuSh

Most people that tend to explore hi-fidelity are usually quite successfull in life, and aren't stupid people. How thousands of people could get sucked in and buy $$$$$$$ of cables and not hear a differenec is beyond me. I've done a blind test myself, to a non-audiophile using a simple digital coax cable from DAC to transport. The person did hear a difference, when I mentioned that I had changed the cable and nothing else he sat there with a puzzled look on his face for about 5minutes. I didn't bother telling him I was using a $500 cable because at that point it would only confuse him further.

RuSsMaN

DBT's are worthless.

Anyone remember the Pepsi challenge? Hell, half the hardcore Coke drinkers couldn't pick their own soda, more than half the time. Do all sodas taste alike?

You want to be objective with cables, listen to YOUR rig as is, for a couple of weeks. Insert a different cable, continue to listen for a couple of weeks. In the middle of a listening session at the end of 2 weeks, switch back to the old one. If you can't hear it, don't sweat it - low-fi is the order of the day for most people out there.

Cheers,
Russ

sucks2beme

P.Hunt,
getting back on topic, are there any other power mods done prior?
Do you have stock typical household power, dedicated outlets, or
custom run power drop with a hospital grade outlet?

Skynut

We all see the same also.
Just because you wear contacts and she wears glasses doesn't mean nothing.
Near sighted or far sighted is just a matter of opnion.
The corrective lenses you wear are your preference, if you want to be far sighted so be it. Who am I to tell you that you should try near sighted.

You would not notice a difference.

PolkThug

RuSsMaN wrote:

DBT's are worthless.

Anyone remember the Pepsi challenge? Hell, half the hardcore Coke drinkers couldn't pick their own soda, more than half the time. Do all sodas taste alike?

They didn't pick their own soda cuz:

"It is claimed that with the small cup amounts offered of the two substances, Pepsi tends to be sweeter than Coke. Coke tends to be sweeter by the bottle, and seeing as there is a natural bias towards sweetness, more people chose Pepsi. Had a larger amount of the two substances been used, Coke would have likely taken the challenge." -Wikipedia

Meanwhile I danced to the Beegees wearing my "Be a Pepper" t-shirt and matching shorts!

shack

PolkThug wrote:

Meanwhile I danced to the Beegees wearing my "Be a Pepper" t-shirt and matching shorts!

TOO MUCH INFORMATION!

P.HUNT

sucks2beme- Yes I have 2 deticated runs with 12 gauge romex, one for the amp and one for everything else, and they have 20 amp outlet's.

I have given/sent the Volex power cords to Toxis he should recieve them tomorrow and we should see a review from him soon.

I went with the ps audio power cords on sale at AA $350.00 FOR 7

sucks2beme

P.HUNT wrote:

sucks2beme- Yes I have 2 deticated runs with 12 gauge romex, one for the amp and one for everything else, and they have 20 amp outlet's.

I have given/sent the Volex power cords to Toxis he should recieve them tomorrow and we should see a review from him soon.

I went with the ps audio power cords on sale at AA $350.00 FOR 7

Thanks. All these posts and nobody asked that question?
I had suspected that was the case. The cord was the last leg of the path to be improved. I suspect the change would not as been as noticable without the dedicated power runs.

F1nut

"It is claimed that with the small cup amounts offered of the two substances, Pepsi tends to be sweeter than Coke. Coke tends to be sweeter by the bottle, and seeing as there is a natural bias towards sweetness, more people chose Pepsi. Had a larger amount of the two substances been used, Coke would have likely taken the challenge." -Wikipedia

That's a stinking pile of BS, everybody knows that Pepsi is sweeter than Coke.

RuSsMaN

Yeah Jesse, but it was posted on the internet, therefore it MUST be true.

madmax

F1nut wrote:

That's a stinking pile of BS, everybody knows that Pepsi is sweeter than Coke.

Seriously, I did the test myself and found one to be sweeter than the other. That was until I switched my main brand. Then over time the other one became sweeter. This soda stuff is just too subjective to deal with.
madmax

PolkThug

I've always thought Pepsi tasted sweeter than Coke. It seems like its easier to chug a can of Coke than a can of Pepsi because of this. Ever try to chug a bottle of maple syrup? Not very funny meow is it?

HBombToo

For a real test first pop a few Mento's and then slug down a Pepsi/Coke and then vote.

HBomb

RuSsMaN

As far as slammin' goes, Dr. Pepper separates the men from the boys. The atomic belch afterwards is a bonus.

dylan

PolkThug wrote:

I've always thought Pepsi tasted sweeter than Coke. It seems like its easier to chug a can of Coke than a can of Pepsi because of this. Ever try to chug a bottle of maple syrup? Not very funny meow is it?

"I'm sorry, Bruce. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy"

Great movie.

Meow.

mantis

RuSsMaN wrote:

DBT's are worthless.

Anyone remember the Pepsi challenge? Hell, half the hardcore Coke drinkers couldn't pick their own soda, more than half the time. Do all sodas taste alike?

You want to be objective with cables, listen to YOUR rig as is, for a couple of weeks. Insert a different cable, continue to listen for a couple of weeks. In the middle of a listening session at the end of 2 weeks, switch back to the old one. If you can't hear it, don't sweat it - low-fi is the order of the day for most people out there.

Cheers,
Russ

I worked for Pathmark When I was in high school. Pepsi came in with there Pepsi chellenge and setup camp in the parking lot. I took the pepsi chellenge and picked coke. I knew then exaclty how they both tasted and I perferred coke.

Dan

PolkThug

"I could have sworn you said meow."

"Do I look like a cat to you, boy? Am I jumpin' around all nimbly bimbly from tree to tree?"

dragon1952

WilliamM2 wrote:

That's simply not true. All of the DBT tests I have read about, only required that the listener identify when the cable has changed, They did not have to identify which was which. They still failed.

I think that's your main problem, bro. Too much reading and not enough real life experience.:rolleyes:
You know, I felt exactly the same way and used the same arguments until I actually tried various PC's myself. Maybe the stock PC you use meets the requirements of your system....who knows. Doesn't mean squat.

BTW, Pepsi is way sweeter than Coke, bottle or no bottle

W WALDECKER

WilliamM2 wrote:

I have stated it several times, I'll try again.

One single verified double blind test where at least one participant has successfully identified the cables being used. Or even one test where the participant has successfully identified that the cables were changed at all.

These type of tests have been performed dozens, if not hundreds of times. No one has ever been able to do it.

Kinda odd when "the difference is not slight, in fact it is immediate and dramatic.".

I bet that if you could spend one hour listening to my system and then let me switch cables, you too should easily be able to tell the difference. if not i would feel pity on you and bid you a good day sir.thanks....WCW III

kingkip

Seriously, we may as well argue the existance of God.

Am I the only one who thinks all of this doesn't matter?

The believers are going to defend their position because they spent money on the wires. No one wants to feel like they wasted cash on something that cannot be heard. Whether or not it is a placebo effect is moot. They like their systems better because of their purchase and this is all that matters.

On the other hand the non-believers need to feel justified in not making the same purchase. The only way they seem to be able to do this is by pointing to evidence that, while scientific, is moot just the same. Attacking believers does not prove their point any more than the golden-ear theory.

Science does not support (for the most part, and even believers should agree) that cables should make a difference. However science doesn't fully understand the workings of the human brain or hearing either. Without that knowledge it renders all the so called tests irrelevant.

Trying out new things is part of this obsession/hobby. If you feel your money is better spent on components rather than cables, so be it. And of course it works the other way around as well.

Just as science can point out that there is no proof for the existance of a God, doesn't mean that it isn't a wholly real entity for many people. Same arguments go here. Who's to say anyone is wrong. And why are we trying to convince each other? People tend to want the majority on their side. Makes us seem more right if more people are on our team. Having the majority on your side does not make you right. I urge you all to just be happy with the team you choose to be on, for that matter try switching teams to see if that works for you.

Play on fellas.

Holydoc

Wonder if God thinks that a new plug for my stereo will make it sound better? Think I will pass on asking him that question. Got too many other important ones to ask first.

dragon1952

kingkip wrote:

The believers are going to defend their position because they spent money on the wires. No one wants to feel like they wasted cash on something that cannot be heard. Whether or not it is a placebo effect is moot. They like their systems better because of their purchase and this is all that matters.

Boy, how many times have I heard this :rolleyes: I don't buy it and I don't think it gives people enough credit. It's one of those things you learn in a psychology or marketing class...how stupid, predictable and gullible people are. Yeah, there are people like that but certainly not the majority. I just love it when people try to tell me why I made a purchase or why I defend it. I'll tell you what...if I buy something that sucks or isn't as advertised I'll be the first in line to tear it down.

kingkip wrote:

And why are we trying to convince each other? People tend to want the majority on their side. Makes us seem more right if more people are on our team. Having the majority on your side does not make you right.

Good grief, another stereotype. No, I think it's more a matter of trying to educate idiots that don't know what they're talking about and who like to just spew out what someone else has written. That's why 'my side' argues. Not sure about the other side's motivation though. But thanks for trying to explain it all to us

kingkip wrote:

Science does not support (for the most part, and even believers should agree) that cables should make a difference. However science doesn't fully understand the workings of the human brain or hearing either. Without that knowledge it renders all the so called tests irrelevant.

Trying out new things is part of this obsession/hobby. If you feel your money is better spent on components rather than cables, so be it. And of course it works the other way around as well.

Hey....cool, we agree on something

WilliamM2

I think that's your main problem, bro. Too much reading and not enough real life experience.
You know, I felt exactly the same way and used the same arguments until I actually tried various PC's myself.

You know nothing of my experiece. But it's typical that you would attack my experience, rather than address the fact that in the DBT's all they had to do was identify whether the cable was changed, or not.

And NO ONE has been able to do that yet. Why is that? Any explanation?

WilliamM2

I think it's more a matter of trying to educate idiots that don't know what they're talking about and who like to just spew out what someone else has written. That's why 'my side' argues.

Your side does not argue or debate, they just attack the posters they disagree with, and call them names. The quote above is a perfect example.

kingkip

dragon1952 wrote:

Boy, how many times have I heard this :rolleyes: I don't buy it and I don't think it gives people enough credit. It's one of those things you learn in a psychology or marketing class...how stupid, predictable and gullible people are. Yeah, there are people like that but certainly not the majority. I just love it when people try to tell me why I made a purchase or why I defend it. I'll tell you what...if I buy something that sucks or isn't as advertised I'll be the first in line to tear it down.

There is a reason you would learn that in a psych or marketing class... it is true. Absolutely the majority of people. I'm not telling you why you bought something, just giving you an idea as you why you are defending it, and quite vehimently I might add. Otherwise why bother defending it, you know it to be true.

dragon1952 wrote:

Good grief, another stereotype. No, I think it's more a matter of trying to educate idiots that don't know what they're talking about and who like to just spew out what someone else has written. That's why 'my side' argues. Not sure about the other side's motivation though. But thanks for trying to explain it all to us

Why call people idiots? Just because they don't agree with you? Are you going to take your ball and go home too? How do you know they don't know what they're talking about? The exact same could be said about you. Try to see it from both sides, I know it is tough.;)

dragon1952 wrote:

Hey....cool, we agree on something

Well it is a start anyway.:D

dragon1952

OK...maybe I should have used the term 'uneducated'. I believe they're fairly synonomous though but I guess one is less offensive.

W WALDECKER

WilliamM2 wrote:

Your side does not argue or debate, they just attack the posters they disagree with, and call them names. The quote above is a perfect example.

I for one dont attack anyone based on thier beliefs for or against cables making an audible difference in an audio system or thier other preferences or beliefs for that matter. i can only give testimony to my experience listening to my own system used in conjuction with various audio cables. i have friends on this forum who i disagree with on various subjects, but at the end of the day we remain friends because we can agree to disagree .if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen!thanks....WCW III

shack

These F###ing wire threads are the Energizer Bunny of audio....

They just keep going....and going....and going....and going....and going....:rolleyes: