Power Cords realy help!

Tour2ma

... and this from a member that's been in Russ' crosshairs more than a couple times...

tonyb,
Trust me that was not a chain "yank". At worst it was a gentle nudge...

tonyb

Tour,....was trying to be...uh..nice.Yeah,I know exactly what Russ meant:D

F1nut

I've got bigger crosshairs.

johnADA

F1nut wrote:

You know what son, when you've been shot down in flames it's best to put your tail between your legs and hide for awhile instead of coming off as a bigger putz than you already have.

BTW, we're still waiting to hear exactly what experience you've had with cables yourself.

Shot down??? How???

Just because its the size of a dime and says Monster or any other high end branding, doesnt mean its one bit better.

I took after reading alot of this crap, 4 different audio cables and put them through simple paces. Test the resistance, test the bleeding if the shielding is sub par and so on. Then after all that cut them in half ad made some measurements with mics. Big bad old Monster branded was no better than good quality Phillips branded. Same meter results, same inner core diameter, same insulation thickness between the inner core and outter. The only thing that was difference was the thickness of the rubber over the whole cord which doesnt do much if anything.
Yeah, someone else mentioned it,as long as your happy and thinks it works. I never stated some little cheap 1/8 diameter type cable, I did state whats above, core, insulation , outter core etc being equal, just isnt carrying a NAME!!

If I cant detect some difference in cables with a meter, then my ears also cant pickup the difference and only maybe with a oscilloscope could you find whatever minute differences there may be, it aint worth $$$$$. $30 for this sub cable, or $200 for NAME, yeah!!!!!

F1nut

John,

The comment of mine that you quoted was directed at unbridled_id, not you. However, I did direct one at you and I stand by it. You're missing the whole point about cables and audio products in general. It's not how a product tests in a lab, but how it sounds to your ears.

Let's throw this analogy out there, A mind is like a parachute, it only functions when open. Another popular one around here, Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know.

Go listen to various cables in your set up and if you still feel the same then at least you'll have tried it and will have a bit more respect from fellow members because of it.

johnADA

F1nut wrote:

John,

You're missing the whole point about cables and audio products in general. It's not how a product tests in a lab, but how it sounds to your ears.

Let's throw this analogy out there, A mind is like a parachute, it only functions when open. Another popular one around here, Those that don't know, don't know that they don't know.

Go listen to various cables in your set up and if you still feel the same then at least you'll have tried it and will have a bit more respect from fellow members because of it.

I'm not missing a thing and I dont know why its being implied. My ears arent swayed by how much I spend and cant be sucked into that game, thats why the automotive mention of wires. I had the ones that came with it, picked up a set of RCA and Phillips for the DVD player DVI connect, all all the audio connects and so fourth. Someone I know and this is highly supported here, said if I heard a difference you gotta try the high ends and I did. My ears didnt hear one iota difference and read these same various forums that stated they would so I took it a step further since I have enough basic knowledge to run a few simple tests, NADA. I cannot in good judgement tell someone they need these high priced items that simply cant be heard.
Now one step further, if a cable makes that much difference and must be bought, why in gods name are most people at this forum. If money for cables are no object, then the speaker choices here are skewed to support my stand. Polks are all I could afford in the better speaker types and I've heard other speakers BLOW these away hands down, MY EAR could hear that!!!

dorokusai

Yawn.

Skynut

My new take on this subject is that some people are lucky enough to hear the difference and some people are not.
Some people think they hear a difference and some people do not want to admit they spent too much money on high end cables without noticing a difference.

What I do not understand is how come anyone can try and force their opnion on the rest of the world?
If I can't hear a difference between $50.00 interconnects and $500.00 interconnects then why should I believe that the rest of the world can not either?

From what I have learned on this forum there are ALOT of people that have much higher appreciation for audio than I do. Some of these people have been doing it for decades longer than I have. I am not the type of person that would tell them they do not hear what they hear because I can't hear it.

As I said earlier I heard a difference between the el-cheapo stock interconnects and my new ones but I don't know if I would hear a difference if I changed them out to better ones until I try it.

Someday I will.

polkatese

A few years ago I replaced my Fisher's boombox speaker cable (you know, those red and black skimpy 38 gauge wire) with a MIT Oracle Reference wire. ****, I can't hear any difference. I took it back the next day for refund. No, not the cable, the Fisher POS.

LuSh

johnADA

Rather then continue this debate, which i've had numerous times with people, do youself a favor and quit mentioning mid fi products and try to acheive an understanding of how "hi-fi" products work. These are usually not found in the BestBuy's and Circuit City's of the world. You've tested 4 cables, please tell me which these were. My best guess is you haven't tried a David Elrod, Electraglide or Purist Audio Design cables much less heard of them. I'm not meaning to belittle you but it's obvious you haven't experimented with alot of QUALITY cables.

Not only does this debate carry on with cabling but other things such as digital source players, digital interconnects (which i've explained to many forum members) transports, speaker wires...

I encourge you to continue using this forum but try and take all aspects in and learn as you go. Many people thought I was crazy when I suggested a couple of years ago that huge sonic differences can be gained by upgrading your digital source via DAC or otherwise. Then again with the changes to digital interconnects...yah...those one's...that carry somple 1's and 0's...alot of the specifications used to apply to todays high end audio are simply outdated. Some measurements have been used for the last 50years and are no longer problems...not everything that is measured and printed is of use. Many holes are still there for experimentation.

rskarvan

Power cords are absolutely critical for an audiophile. Without a power cord, the thing doesn't even turn on when you press "POWER ON". I've found them to be indispensible. There are only two times when a power cord is not critical -- when it has a crank on it and when you have to change the batteries. What's the debate about anyway? Who here listens to their equipment without one?

dorokusai

Now that's some genuine audiophile humor

F1nut

Oh where do I start!?!

I can tell from what you've written that your audio experiences have been limited to lo and mid-fi products. Often times cables will not make a difference with those products, so how about you try this. Go down to your local high end audio shop, not CC or BB, but a true high end shop and kindly ask them if you can demo different cables on a high end set up. If you still can't hear a difference, you should probably get that Fisher POS that Polkatese mentioned because anything else would be a waste.

BTW, there are many folks here who own or have had experience with speakers other than Polk Audio, so that's another arguement of yours that doesn't hold water.

Remember, a mind is like a parachute, it only functions when open.

Good luck!

unbridled_id

You know what son, when you've been shot down in flames it's best to put your tail between your legs and hide for awhile instead of coming off as a bigger putz than you already have.

BTW, we're still waiting to hear exactly what experience you've had with cables yourself.
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You know what, I have tried to be "bigger" than some of you here. I really do not care what experience you have with russman, the guy is a little man with a big mouth who happens to like audio equipment. I took your suggestions into consideration F1nut and I say I don't think I can back down from people like you and russ, how could I ? I think russ is a fool and you know what if some of you don't like it, too bad, what are you going to do about it ? The man pops off and I am supposed to take it because he sold some of you fellow windbags some equipment, i don't think so. I will say what I want to whom I want, F1nut you come off as the same sort of person as russman I see why you two get along.

unbridled_id

Remember, a mind is like a parachute, it only functions when open.

Wow, now that is profound. How dare I question the audio elite here on the polk forum, well I do it because you folks come off the way you do. I do feel inadequate because I have spent only a couple of thousand on audio equipment. Son, when I spend and much as you then and only then can I dare to speak in your presence. Get a hold of yourselves, some of you are sound really pathetic.

dorokusai

I have my 2CH room lined completely with mirrors so that I may look at myself while listening.

jeffwalter

Its time to pull the

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shack

unbridled_id wrote:

Wow, now that is profound.

Get a hold of yourselves, some of you are sound really pathetic.

A little profundity of your own.

F1nut

I see you've danced around the basic question we've all been on pins and needles waiting for you to answer. Why am I not surprised!?! If you're going to mouth off at least have something to back it up with other than the rambling babble you've posted.

BTW, who said Russ and I get along???


Mark nailed it, YAWN

PolkThug

Audio sucks.

unbridled_id

I see you've danced around the basic question we've all been on pins and needles waiting for you to answer. Why am I not surprised!?

The basic question being my experience with power cords.
No, I have not owned many power cords only those issued with my equipment. Again, I reprinted the opinions of another which I had hoped to have addressed as they sounded logical to me. But, the audio elitists again attack the person not what I printed, this happens again and again. When does a disagreement/argument reach the point of diminishing returns? I tried to raise the level of discourse by simply deleting two of my posts, not good enough. I have one fool criticizing me because I forgot to include a / between are and sound. I have another fool who must have dusted off his English grammar textbook from high school and tells me I am bad because I do not include quotes. Finally, I have perhaps the biggest fool of all who seems to watch wwe or jerry springer in his spare time, "son you gotta tuck and run". I have the prescription for your collective itch, apply monistat liberally.

johnADA

"Remember, a mind is like a parachute, it only functions when open."

Wow and then narrow mindedness, gullible, more money than brains, lacking common sense is a better thing you call open minded??

OK, want some background?

I'm a millwright.
I go by the saying in a machine world, " If I can't fix it, it ain't broke, its f***** up.
I work on every type machine brought to our company.
Whether its run by prologic computer controls or a complete manual operation/mechanical.
Hydraulics, electronics, air management, machine tooling etc, everything that deals with the fixing of a machine is within my realm. Jack of all trades, master of none.

I grew up in a large family during the 60's and 70's that had one working income, normal for the day.
My father worked for a large electrical utility and his side hobby was bench electronics. I grew up around a basement full of drawers of resistors, capacitors, transformers, tubes and so fourth. All kinds of electronic testing equipment, signal generators, soldering guns, the whole nine yards. My dad built everything either from scratch or Dynaco kits, Heathkit etc, all the electronic in the house. TV's, Ham Radio for my oldest brother, police/fire scanners. It was his addiction and forced upon the boys of the house. My older brothers both have degrees in Electrical engineering and one works the grid system at RG&E, the other sells and services hospital equipment. Me I hated electronics and went a different way.
I have to see people everyday now for 25+ years trying to push the version of high end cabling, which in my side is machine tools etc. There is a point where actual useage, lastiblity, working better than whats your using now comes to a halt. Profits/money and other things along those lines are the driving force of these so called high end products. Theory, only theory and paper do these things appear to be better. We have to try everything since its all about money/profits also. If something highly touted is to make us more money, make us more efficient, keep overall costs down, well its tried no matter the initial cost. Gotta spend money to make money the owner says.

This debate has raged on for years and will continue so, why? Neither camp can PROVE anything. High ended cables on paper/theory are suppose to be better on one camp. The other says, cant hear it, doesnt test to a level of being wildly or mildy better. What it boils down to is then 2 other camps of end users. The Audiophile and the guy whom enjoys his music. Compare it to drunks, one has to drink high dollar liquor, use high dollar drugs, goes to fancy places.The other drinks Boones Farm, uses street drugs, lives near the gutter. One thinks he is elite, a connoisseur whole down playing the other as a bum drunk. Their both drunks, they both get stoned, drunk etc. One does it to the limits of his means, the other get by, but both are the same really. Same goes here. Get the drift???

shack

unbridled_id wrote:

I see you've danced around the basic question we've all been on pins and needles waiting for you to answer. Why am I not surprised!?

The basic question being my experience with power cords.
No, I have not owned many power cords only those issued with my equipment. Again, I reprinted the opinions of another which I had hoped to have addressed as they sounded logical to me. But, the audio elitists again attack the person not what I printed, this happens again and again. When does a disagreement/argument reach the point of diminishing returns? I tried to raise the level of discourse by simply deleting two of my posts, not good enough. I have one fool criticizing me because I forgot to include a / between are and sound. I have another fool who must have dusted off his English grammar textbook from high school and tells me I am bad because I do not include quotes. Finally, I have perhaps the biggest fool of all who seems to watch wwe or jerry springer in his spare time, "son you gotta tuck and run". I have the prescription for your collective itch, apply monistat liberally.

Since I am one of the fools you are referring to, I should probably respond in my typical wise **** (sic) manner. Nah...I'm out. See ya!

unbridled_id

Don't forget the monistat shack baby.

shack

johnADA wrote:

"Remember, a mind is like a parachute, it only functions when open."

Wow and then narrow mindedness, gullible, more money than brains, lacking common sense is a better thing you call open minded??

OK, want some background?

I'm a millwright.
I go by the saying in a machine world, " If I can't fix it, it ain't broke, its f***** up.
I work on every type machine brought to our company.
Whether its run by prologic computer controls or a complete manual operation/mechanical.
Hydraulics, electronics, air management, machine tooling etc, everything that deals with the fixing of a machine is within my realm. Jack of all trades, master of none.

I grew up in a large family during the 60's and 70's that had one working income, normal for the day.
My father worked for a large electrical utility and his side hobby was bench electronics. I grew up around a basement full of drawers of resistors, capacitors, transformers, tubes and so fourth. All kinds of electronic testing equipment, signal generators, soldering guns, the whole nine yards. My dad built everything either from scratch or Dynaco kits, Heathkit etc, all the electronic in the house. TV's, Ham Radio for my oldest brother, police/fire scanners. It was his addiction and forced upon the boys of the house. My older brothers both have degrees in Electrical engineering and one works the grid system at RG&E, the other sells and services hospital equipment. Me I hated electronics and went a different way.
I have to see people everyday now for 25+ years trying to push the version of high end cabling, which in my side is machine tools etc. There is a point where actual useage, lastiblity, working better than whats your using now comes to a halt. Profits/money and other things along those lines are the driving force of these so called high end products. Theory, only theory and paper do these things appear to be better. We have to try everything since its all about money/profits also. If something highly touted is to make us more money, make us more efficient, keep overall costs down, well its tried no matter the initial cost. Gotta spend money to make money the owner says.

This debate has raged on for years and will continue so, why? Neither camp can PROVE anything. High ended cables on paper/theory are suppose to be better on one camp. The other says, cant hear it, doesnt test to a level of being wildly or mildy better. What it boils down to is then 2 other camps of end users. The Audiophile and the guy whom enjoys his music. Compare it to drunks, one has to drink high dollar liquor, use high dollar drugs, goes to fancy places.The other drinks Boones Farm, uses street drugs, lives near the gutter. One thinks he is elite, a connoisseur whole down playing the other as a bum drunk. Their both drunks, they both get stoned, drunk etc. One does it to the limits of his means, the other get by, but both are the same really. Same goes here. Get the drift???

I should have continued with my position that I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks regarding this topic and stayed away from these types of threads like the plague. I will not engage in any debate regarding the pros or cons of any given type of wire/interconnect/powercord because I really don't care about what you have experienced, believe, etc. If you don't think there is any difference, that is your opinion. Just don't start posting here like you are God's gift to audio, telling us why we should all slap ourselves on the forehead for not realizing the error of our ways.:rolleyes:

unbridled_id

Shack, I just wanted to let you know to put your pencil down before you slap yourself on the forehead.

P.HUNT

Wow this thread got out of hand!

F1nut

No, I have not owned many power cords only those issued with my equipment. Again, I reprinted the opinions of another which I had hoped to have addressed as they sounded logical to me.

At last! Thank you for proving my point. As for your motive, you're not fooling anybody but yourself. :rolleyes:

unbridled_id

I have to admit it; this thread has taken the starch out of me. All I wanted to do was post some thoughts and get some feedback. I have feedback but not on what I had posted. I never claimed to know whether or not a power cord would improve performance and I am considering an upgrade to my stock power cord on my amp. I have in the last day or so traded barbs with about four of you and for the life of me cannot figure out why as you folks seem as stubborn as I am.

PolkThug

Its because you all have small units.

Try this:
http://www.shaveeverywhere.com/