What did you do to your stereo rig today?
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Do you notice any drum hits/strikes that are more noticeable in stereo?
Tom
I'm not running stereo on the subs since the Adcom amp is driven from combining both channels in the left sub's preamp and feeding that mono signal to both channels of the Adcom which in turn feeds the driver in each sub speaker.
Downstairs in the garage I do run one stereo channel to each sub. I can't say I notice much separation. Sometimes the bass content below 40 hz contains some out of phase info that when running stereo subs mixes in your head instead of being cancelled out by making it mono first, and I can hear the results like a ghost bass image behind me but it's rare.'65 427 Shelby Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix, internal surround amp bridged to drive only a center channel
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media
One PGA2310 based custom built remote volume control
Four Polk T-15's
Two Polk TSi-200's
Two Polk TSi-100's
Two Polk CS-10's -
Also, when listening, do you pull them out from the wall? The ports are choked when they are up against the wall like that.
Tom
Not thus far. I listen pretty loud and the cones are not moving all that much. I ran a continuous 25 hz test tone through them and cranked it up until I could hear some port noise but I have yet to get them that loud with material. I will play around with distance from the wall and see if it changes their response.'65 427 Shelby Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix, internal surround amp bridged to drive only a center channel
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media
One PGA2310 based custom built remote volume control
Four Polk T-15's
Two Polk TSi-200's
Two Polk TSi-100's
Two Polk CS-10's -
Hmmm, thanks for your observations. I have my subs up on stands and at the same height with the tweeters. The signal is in stereo on a full range system. If you ever have a chance to do this? I would highly recommend it sir.I'm not running stereo on the subs since the Adcom amp is driven from combining both channels in the left sub's preamp and feeding that mono signal to both channels of the Adcom which in turn feeds the driver in each sub speaker.
Downstairs in the garage I do run one stereo channel to each sub. I can't say I notice much separation. Sometimes the bass content below 40 hz contains some out of phase info that when running stereo subs mixes in your head instead of being cancelled out by making it mono first, and I can hear the results like a ghost bass image behind me but it's rare.
Great looking system!
Tom
~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
I was looking at your setup and did not know those were subs on the stands. I'm sure having them inline with the tweeters helps with sound continuity. What subs are they and how much do they weigh? I was planning on running stereo subs in the main room but since I could no longer buy the HSU plate amp for the second sub, I went with dual channel mono. T he main thing my 1.2s lack is tight bass when the listening position is midway between the speakers and a rear wall. I fought this and lost in several homes. My last home had a 26 long by 14 wide room and I listened from near the rear wall. The bass was great but if I moved to midway, the bass and the punch disappears. These subs restored that and then some in my current setup.
I'm not a real high end guy or an audiophile. I just like stuff that works well enough for my taste, and to impress friends occasionally and I like to build as much of it as I can.'65 427 Shelby Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix, internal surround amp bridged to drive only a center channel
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media
One PGA2310 based custom built remote volume control
Four Polk T-15's
Two Polk TSi-200's
Two Polk TSi-100's
Two Polk CS-10's -
Dang, I just typed a long response to you and then edited it but it went away! It's too late to keep going. Signing off til tomorrow.'65 427 Shelby Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
__________________
'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix, internal surround amp bridged to drive only a center channel
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media
One PGA2310 based custom built remote volume control
Four Polk T-15's
Two Polk TSi-200's
Two Polk TSi-100's
Two Polk CS-10's -
The subs are Rythmik F25's. As for the weight? Good question. They are heavy. Definitely a two person lift onto the stands. Once they are on? I simply twist them to make adjustments...although not easy given the space restraints.
Even full range speakers could use subs IMO/IME.
Although I am a KISS (Keep it simple stupid) kinda guy, the subs round out the system as a whole and offer yet another level of (in spades) listening enjoyment. When in stereo, the sound stage is at an even higher level of enjoyment/playback realism.
It can offer you pinpoint reproductive efforts with so many things other than the drums. With the drums, it can offer you pinpoint locationality cues to where one can point a laser at each individual component within the drum set and/or sound stage.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
Dang, I just typed a long response to you and then edited it but it went away! It's too late to keep going. Signing off til tomorrow.
Trust me when I say that I have been there, done that. The guys on this forum have given me grief about it as well. It happens. TTY tomorrow.
Tom~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~ -
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"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
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you need to get those bad boys set up now!
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you need to get those bad boys set up now!
Between you and Skip, I swear!
Sending my Nordost Heimdalls out to be re-terminated from bi-wire to shotguns on Monday. But I will use a set of Canare 4S11 or whatever they are...
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
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You would think...
But between those and our modular closet set, the dining room is loaded with boxes and the cats are going gaga"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Wipe them down with antiseptic wipes and bleach first. You don't know where they've been.
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I’ve already licked them...they’re mine now!"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
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Indeed. Walnut pair."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Not a dang thing wrong with Canare wire.I will use a set of Canare 4S11 or whatever they are...
I just happen to use a dual run to each speaker of 4S11. I can thank Frank at Signal cable for the idea. Is 8 gauge cable overkill???
Nope!
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Indeed. Walnut pair.
Good for you! I'll have to plan a little road trip this Summer. I'd love to get ears on a pair.
SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff -
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Very exciting! I'm jealous, but hopefully at some point I'll snag a pair. Walnut would be my color of choice as well
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Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Phillips CD chgr, various game consoles
Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside* & CC outside
BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
*soldered
LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & “Plugged” Mids - 981
CC: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6
5 Subs: Sunfire True Sub Sig -> LFE & CC; 4 Audio Pro Evidence -> “Corners”
Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
Power Conditioning & Distribution:
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I found there's a lot more to speaker cables than gauge when I tried a double run of Canare wire.
I had to try it and see for myself though
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Is your Canare 4S11 10 gauge, too? That would make a double run equal to 7 ga? Specifically, what did you learn...? I’m gonna dodge a tomato or two before this is over.motorstereo wrote: »I found there's a lot more to speaker cables than gauge when I tried a double run of Canare wire.
I had to try it and see for myself though
IME doing internal speaker mods, one channel’s speaker at a time; (more recently) bit by bit, progressing towards bi-amping*, size made an undeniable diff especially in the lower octaves. In the case of Polk speakers of ~12 years ago I’m certain that’s due to their wimpy internal wire. Jess says it’s 16 ga. I say 18.
*and eventually tri-amping
https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/174880/tri-amped-rti-a7#latest
Upgrading the internal wire to 12 ga of my CC made most male dialogue heavier* and/or thicker*. Further, after I removed the passive XO filtering I upgraded to Canare 4S11 inside and out. More so* than before, I felt forced to make light use of my CC’s EXO’s PEQ capability to rebalance its tone.
I hope this helps you to understand why I must chime in anytime someone attempts to downplay the value of wire gauge. I realize gauge increases doesn’t always apply. If it didn’t make a diff, I’m sorry, but you won’t know till you try.
Sorry for the long winded rant. Tony
Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Phillips CD chgr, various game consoles
Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside* & CC outside
BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
*soldered
LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Tweets & “Plugged” Mids - 981
CC: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6
5 Subs: Sunfire True Sub Sig -> LFE & CC; 4 Audio Pro Evidence -> “Corners”
Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
Power Conditioning & Distribution:
3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s -
1)
So I just finished my DIY speaker stands to match the DIY rack. They took way too much time and I’m not perfectly happy with the way they turned out, but from here they look fine and if I can drop my OCD they will make me happy.
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Inserted my new 703’s in the system after 200 hours of burn in. (previously I’ve owned 705’s). Wow, they sound amazing. In this system I rotate Epos Epics and SDA 2a’s. The 703’s are stunning.
3)
Hooked up a pair of bi-wire Gregg Straley Reality Cables that I haven’t been able to use for a couple years.
Just popped on an album to make sure everything is good to go and suddenly I’m couch-locked to my listening chair. This sounds REALLY good!
I typically don’t like making multiple changes at once, but it’s hard to find the time as you guys know, so I had to take advantage when I could. Results are like I closed my eyes swinging at a curve ball and mashed it out of the park.
Peace out, I’m going in for more!!
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Love the stands!
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Thank you 2 ChannelTurntable - VPI Classic 2/Ortofon 2M BlueAmplification - Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum II, Parks Audio Budgie PhonoSpeakers - GoldenEar Triton 17.2 Home TheaterDenon AVR-X3300W; Rotel RMB-1066; Klipsch RP-280F's, Klipsch RP-450C, Polk FXi3's, Polk RC60i; Dual SVS PB 2000's; BenQ HT2050; Elite Screens 120"Man CaveTurntable - Pro-Ject 2.9 Wood/Grado GoldAmplification - Dared SL2000a, McCormack DNA 0.5 DeluxeCD: Cambridge AudioSpeakers - Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary; LSiM 703; SDA 2A
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Those stands look nice.
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Glad you’re liking the 703’s
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What ever could these be...
Years back, within hours after I brought the new-to-me Altec 604E Duplexes back from western Vermont to MA, I was greeted with this tableau:
Fortunately (??) I had draped a towel over each of the Duplexes to give them some semblance of protection -- but apparently all I really managed to do is to create a (tabby) attractive nuisance.
