What did you do to your stereo rig today?
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Thanks! I read that doubling the cones quadruples the bass energy. I like symmetry and symmetry of sound in this case. One was good but I could tell where it was at times and that bugged me. A pair really hits hard, deep and tight when required.'65 427 Shelby AC Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'14 PGA2310 based custom remote volume control
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix (a second one)
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media -
Do you notice any drum hits/strikes that are more noticeable in stereo?
TomIn search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
~ Accountability can feel like victimization to someone who is used to entitlement ~ -
Also, when listening, do you pull them out from the wall? The ports are choked when they are up against the wall like that.
TomIn search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
~ Accountability can feel like victimization to someone who is used to entitlement ~ -
Also, do you sit with your left buttcheek lower than the right? If not, your not doing it right.
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I bought this simple and unassuming looking Lumin U1 Mini from AudioThesis, and I'm amazed at how much difference a high quality streaming transport can make.
I've never heard Tidal sound this good on my system. Worth every penny.
Mike Reeter wrote: »
We need a Polk Audio Forum "Excusive Drew Review"I have it connected to my Ruby DAC via an Audioquest Forest USB cable. Would like to try a higher end USB cable with it to hear any differences.
Tidal SQ thru the Mini is very good. I’m impressed.
Before you finalize that review, try the Mini with a “higher quality” cable. I’ve not heard the AQ Forest, it may be a very fine usb for a sub hundie. I’m currently running a WW Platinum and all I can say is wow.
That said, I wonder what a Final Touch Audio usb could do for me? I’ve only heard great things about it ...
Power Rogue M180 monos & Adcom GFA 5802
PS Audio PerfectWave Power Plant 10
Rears Salk SuperCharged Surrounds
Source PSA PWT into NSD Supremo
Pre/Pro Integra DHC 40.1
LCD Samsung LN46B750
Mains Salk HT2-TL
Center Salk HT2C
Pre Cary SLP-05
Wires WW & MIT -
It’s all about the symmetry, isn’t it?
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Do you notice any drum hits/strikes that are more noticeable in stereo?
Tom
I'm not running stereo on the subs since the Adcom amp is driven from combining both channels in the left sub's preamp and feeding that mono signal to both channels of the Adcom which in turn feeds the driver in each sub speaker.
Downstairs in the garage I do run one stereo channel to each sub. I can't say I notice much separation. Sometimes the bass content below 40 hz contains some out of phase info that when running stereo subs mixes in your head instead of being cancelled out by making it mono first, and I can hear the results like a ghost bass image behind me but it's rare.'65 427 Shelby AC Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'14 PGA2310 based custom remote volume control
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix (a second one)
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media -
Also, when listening, do you pull them out from the wall? The ports are choked when they are up against the wall like that.
Tom
Not thus far. I listen pretty loud and the cones are not moving all that much. I ran a continuous 25 hz test tone through them and cranked it up until I could hear some port noise but I have yet to get them that loud with material. I will play around with distance from the wall and see if it changes their response.'65 427 Shelby AC Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'14 PGA2310 based custom remote volume control
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix (a second one)
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media -
Hmmm, thanks for your observations. I have my subs up on stands and at the same height with the tweeters. The signal is in stereo on a full range system. If you ever have a chance to do this? I would highly recommend it sir.I'm not running stereo on the subs since the Adcom amp is driven from combining both channels in the left sub's preamp and feeding that mono signal to both channels of the Adcom which in turn feeds the driver in each sub speaker.
Downstairs in the garage I do run one stereo channel to each sub. I can't say I notice much separation. Sometimes the bass content below 40 hz contains some out of phase info that when running stereo subs mixes in your head instead of being cancelled out by making it mono first, and I can hear the results like a ghost bass image behind me but it's rare.
Great looking system!
Tom
In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
~ Accountability can feel like victimization to someone who is used to entitlement ~ -
I was looking at your setup and did not know those were subs on the stands. I'm sure having them inline with the tweeters helps with sound continuity. What subs are they and how much do they weigh? I was planning on running stereo subs in the main room but since I could no longer buy the HSU plate amp for the second sub, I went with dual channel mono. T he main thing my 1.2s lack is tight bass when the listening position is midway between the speakers and a rear wall. I fought this and lost in several homes. My last home had a 26 long by 14 wide room and I listened from near the rear wall. The bass was great but if I moved to midway, the bass and the punch disappears. These subs restored that and then some in my current setup.
I'm not a real high end guy or an audiophile. I just like stuff that works well enough for my taste, and to impress friends occasionally and I like to build as much of it as I can.'65 427 Shelby AC Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
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'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'14 PGA2310 based custom remote volume control
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix (a second one)
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media -
Dang, I just typed a long response to you and then edited it but it went away! It's too late to keep going. Signing off til tomorrow.'65 427 Shelby AC Cobra
'72 Triumph TR-6
__________________
'88 Polk SDA SRS 1.2, with upgraded XO caps and Erse SDA inductors
'86 Polk SDA CRS+
'84 Polk Monitor 10A (Peerless tweeters)
'05 HSU VTF-3 Sub (Original OEM)
'20 HSU VTF-3 Sub (three more, 100% cloned)
'93 Carver TFM-35
'88 Carver M-1.0t
'14 PGA2310 based custom remote volume control
'88 Adcom GFP-555
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFA-555 (a second one upgraded/restored)
'88 Adcom GFT-555
'05 Onkyo DV-555 media
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix
'89 Fosgate 360 Digital Space Matrix (a second one)
'91 Kenwood Basic M1D Amp
'89 Pioneer Laser Disc media
'89 Sony SuperBeta HiFi media -
The subs are Rythmik F25's. As for the weight? Good question. They are heavy. Definitely a two person lift onto the stands. Once they are on? I simply twist them to make adjustments...although not easy given the space restraints.
Even full range speakers could use subs IMO/IME.
Although I am a KISS (Keep it simple stupid) kinda guy, the subs round out the system as a whole and offer yet another level of (in spades) listening enjoyment. When in stereo, the sound stage is at an even higher level of enjoyment/playback realism.
It can offer you pinpoint reproductive efforts with so many things other than the drums. With the drums, it can offer you pinpoint locationality cues to where one can point a laser at each individual component within the drum set and/or sound stage.
TomIn search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
~ Accountability can feel like victimization to someone who is used to entitlement ~ -
Dang, I just typed a long response to you and then edited it but it went away! It's too late to keep going. Signing off til tomorrow.
Trust me when I say that I have been there, done that. The guys on this forum have given me grief about it as well. It happens. TTY tomorrow.
TomIn search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.
~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~
~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
~ Accountability can feel like victimization to someone who is used to entitlement ~ -
What ever could these be...
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
you need to get those bad boys set up now!
Amplifiers: Norma IPA 140, MasterSound Compact 845, Ayre v6xe, Consonance Cyber 800
Preamp: deHavilland Ultraverve 3
Transport/Dac: L.K.S MH-DA004, Cayin Venus cd-100i, Musical Paradise mp-d2 mkI,
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you need to get those bad boys set up now!
Between you and Skip, I swear!
Sending my Nordost Heimdalls out to be re-terminated from bi-wire to shotguns on Monday. But I will use a set of Canare 4S11 or whatever they are...
"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
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You would think...
But between those and our modular closet set, the dining room is loaded with boxes and the cats are going gaga"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Wipe them down with antiseptic wipes and bleach first. You don't know where they've been.
The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, TriangleArt Reference SE with Pass Labs Xono Phono Preamp, Walker Precision Motor Drive, ClearAudio Goldfinger Statement V2 cartridge and Origin Conqueror Mk3c tonearm, Polk Audio "Signature" Reference Series 1.2TL with complete mods, Pass Labs X0.2 three chassis preamp, PS Audio PerfectWave DAC MkII, Pioneer Elite SC-LX701, Oppo UDP-205 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds.
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I’ve already licked them...they’re mine now!"Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
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Indeed. Walnut pair."Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."
"Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip -
Not a dang thing wrong with Canare wire.I will use a set of Canare 4S11 or whatever they are...
I just happen to use a dual run to each speaker of 4S11. I can thank Frank at Signal cable for the idea. Is 8 gauge cable overkill???
Nope!
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Indeed. Walnut pair.
Good for you! I'll have to plan a little road trip this Summer. I'd love to get ears on a pair.
SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff -
Very cool...get busy we want to see them!Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi
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Very exciting! I'm jealous, but hopefully at some point I'll snag a pair. Walnut would be my color of choice as well
Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
Digital: Cambridge CXC / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
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go big* or go home*!
Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Phillips CD chgr, various game consoles
Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside* & CC outside
BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
*soldered
LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Mids & Tweets- 981
CC: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6
5 Subs: Sunfire True Sub Signature -> LFE & CC & 4 Audio Pro Evidence Subs
Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
Power Conditioning & Distribution:
3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s -
I found there's a lot more to speaker cables than gauge when I tried a double run of Canare wire.
I had to try it and see for myself though
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Is your Canare 4S11 10 gauge, too? That would make a double run equal to 7 ga? Specifically, what did you learn...? I’m gonna dodge a tomato or two before this is over.motorstereo wrote: »I found there's a lot more to speaker cables than gauge when I tried a double run of Canare wire.
I had to try it and see for myself though
IME doing internal speaker mods, one channel’s speaker at a time; (more recently) bit by bit, progressing towards bi-amping*, size made an undeniable diff especially in the lower octaves. In the case of Polk speakers of ~12 years ago I’m certain that’s due to their wimpy internal wire. Jess says it’s 16 ga. I say 18.
*and eventually tri-amping
https://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/174880/tri-amped-rti-a7#latest
Upgrading the internal wire to 12 ga of my CC made most male dialogue heavier* and/or thicker*. Further, after I removed the passive XO filtering I upgraded to Canare 4S11 inside and out. More so* than before, I felt forced to make light use of my CC’s EXO’s PEQ capability to rebalance its tone.
I hope this helps you to understand why I must chime in anytime someone attempts to downplay the value of wire gauge. I realize gauge increases doesn’t always apply. If it didn’t make a diff, I’m sorry, but you won’t know till you try.
Sorry for the long winded rant. Tony
Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Phillips CD chgr, various game consoles
Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside* & CC outside
BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
*soldered
LR: Tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; Mids & Tweets- 981
CC: Rotel RB981 -> Bi-amped CSi A6
5 Subs: Sunfire True Sub Signature -> LFE & CC & 4 Audio Pro Evidence Subs
Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
Power Conditioning & Distribution:
3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
