What did you do to your stereo rig today?

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  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,978
    xsmi wrote: »
    It’s a 66. Phono pre.

    Sure didn't look that tall in the picture. You would think that I would have known that, as my first Tube Preamp was the 66 Magnum, I've been hooked ever since ;)

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
  • jumpindickjumpindick Posts: 389
    marvda1 wrote: »
    Well, I'll be up all night. gfvmn0fu9xl7.jpg

    Congratulations Marvin. Norma gears are some of really nice ones to have and listen to. Looking forward to your thoughts on this one. It looks nice. Enjoy!
  • ZLTFULZLTFUL Posts: 5,478
    Skip has your number, doesn't he, Marv? ;) But that's a good problem to have. Congrats man!
    "Some people find it easier to be conceited rather than correct."

    "Unwad those panties and have a good time man. We're all here to help each other, no matter how it might appear." DSkip
  • displaynamedisplayname Posts: 779
    marvda1 wrote: »
    Well, I'll be up all night. gfvmn0fu9xl7.jpg
    I think it's safe to say that Marvin is having the most fun with this social distancing/quarantine time.
    Analog: MoFi MasterTracker > MoFi UltraDeck > Sutherland 20/20
    Digital: Cambridge CXC / Streaming > Cambridge CXN v2
    MastersounD Dueventi > Rosso Fiorentino Certaldo or Arcam rHead > Hifiman HE4XX
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  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    Having a great system definitely helps pass the time quite well!

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • verbverb Posts: 10,281
    Got this today from CL. 10amp Powerstat. Minty! The guy even delivered it to the house! :smile:
    yhec7uliz3ga.png
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cables, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 5,439
    verb wrote: »
    Got this today from CL. 10amp Powerstat. Minty! The guy even delivered it to the house! :smile:

    Set that around 85 volts and let it power your guitar amp, and you'll get a nice, old school Van Halen tone.
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,535
    Viking64 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    Got this today from CL. 10amp Powerstat. Minty! The guy even delivered it to the house! :smile:

    Set that around 85 volts and let it power your guitar amp, and you'll get a nice, old school Van Halen tone.
    IIRC Eddie like his amps powered w/140VAC but I’m not as young as I was

    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • verbverb Posts: 10,281
    Clipdat wrote: »
    Hooked up an 8' pair of Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables with their matching jumpers.

    Did you get these from @joecoulson ? :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cables, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
  • verbverb Posts: 10,281
    verb wrote: »
    Got this today from CL. 10amp Powerstat. Minty! The guy even delivered it to the house! :smile:
    yhec7uliz3ga.png

    So my delight was quickly diminished the other day after I took that pic, left if there (yes right in the middle of the doorway, idiot) and the Mrs came into the office a little later then stubbed her toe! Boy did I hear it! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cables, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 5,439
    verb wrote: »
    So my delight was quickly diminished the other day after I took that pic, left if there (yes right in the middle of the doorway, idiot) and the Mrs came into the office a little later then stubbed her toe! Boy did I hear it! :smile:

    You heard it? I told you it would sound like Van Halen 's first album!!!!! B)
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 8,753
    verb wrote: »
    Did you get these from @joecoulson ? :smile:

    Yep! He gave me a great deal on them! Thanks Joe!
  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,510
    While I'm under corona house arrest I thought this would be a good time to do some comparisons. Having heard a rumor that fully balanced amps don't project the soundstage as far as non-balanced amps my curiosity got the best of me. So far I'm surprised that the little non balanced Proton d1200 is making a good accounting of itself. More listening is needed.
    kvc64ndres4f.jpg

  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 17,295
    While I'm under corona house arrest I thought this would be a good time to do some comparisons. Having heard a rumor that fully balanced amps don't project the soundstage as far as non-balanced amps my curiosity got the best of me. So far I'm surprised that the little non balanced Proton d1200 is making a good accounting of itself. More listening is needed.
    kvc64ndres4f.jpg

    I do not think that was intended for the older SDA's, it was for the L800's only as far as the SDA side.

    but let us know your findings.
  • Tony MTony M Posts: 9,382
    I've ALWAYS coveted that Proton amp ever since I read about it in Stereo Review many moons ago. B)

    Those meters! <3
    Most people just listen to music and watch movies. I EXPERIENCE them.
  • verbverb Posts: 10,281
    edited March 19
    That's it! I coming over to quarantine at your house! Can I take your Harley out for a spin too? :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cables, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
  • gp4jesusgp4jesus Posts: 1,535
    I cleaned and dusted
    Samsung 60" UN60ES6100 LED
    Outlaw Audio 976 Pre/Pro
    Samsung BDP, Dish Rcvr, Xbox, Phillips CD chgr

    Canare 14 ga - LCR tweeters inside*; CC outside
    BJC 10 ga - LCR mids, inside* & out
    8 ga Powerline - LR woofers, inside* & out
    *soldered

    LR: tri-amped RTi A7 w/Rotels. Woofers - 980BX; M&T - 981
    CC: Rotel RB985 -> tri-amped CSi A6
    5 Audio Pro Subs: 1 B1.39: an Evidence at each corner
    Surrounds: Rotel 981 -> AR 12 ga -> RTi A3
    Power Conditioning & Distribution:
    3 dedicated 20A feeds; APC H15; 4 Furman Miniport 20s
  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,510
    verb wrote: »
    That's it! I coming over to quarantine at your house! Can I take your Harley out for a spin too? :smile:

    You sure can if you don't mind riding a Kawasaki as I don't own a Harley. :)
    The little 1200 is still surprising me with how well it pairs with the 1.2s especially since it's not my favorite amp on my other 2 pair of floorstanders (khorns+ads1530's).
  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 1,276
    edited March 20
    While I'm under corona house arrest I thought this would be a good time to do some comparisons. Having heard a rumor that fully balanced amps don't project the soundstage as far as non-balanced amps my curiosity got the best of me. So far I'm surprised that the little non balanced Proton d1200 is making a good accounting of itself. More listening is needed.
    kvc64ndres4f.jpg

    I see an unusual shelf the amp is sitting on that I really like. It looks like some type of adjustable piston on each side. Is it part of the overall shelf? Can you talk about it?

    I was looking at a listing of a D1200 on Reverb that was posted on Wednesday. Almost mint it said. It has sold immediately.
    Harry
    If the telephone doesn't ring ......... it's me
    Harry / Marietta Georgia
  • verbverb Posts: 10,281
    verb wrote: »
    That's it! I coming over to quarantine at your house! Can I take your Harley out for a spin too? :smile:

    You sure can if you don't mind riding a Kawasaki as I don't own a Harley. :)
    The little 1200 is still surprising me with how well it pairs with the 1.2s especially since it's not my favorite amp on my other 2 pair of floorstanders (khorns+ads1530's).

    Lol! For sure! I thought you had a Harley. I must be confused with someone else who had a Harley parked in their basement! :smile:
    Basement: Polk SDA SRS, Cary SLP-05 Pre with ultimate upgrade,Enlightened Audio Designs CD Transport, Northstar Designs Excelsio DAC, Cambridge 851N streamer, Marantz SA-14 SACD, McIntosh MC300 Amp, Silnote Morpheus Ref2 Digital Cables, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Pangea Power Cables, Wireworld Oasis 8 RCA IC's, MIT Shotgun S3 IC's, MIT Shotgun S1 Bi-Wire speaker cables
    Office: PC, EAR Acute CD Player, EAR 834L Pre, Northstar Designs Intenso DAC, PASS ACA Monoblocks, Denon UDR-F10 Cassette, Acoustic Technologies Classic FR Speakers, SVS SB12 Plus sub, MIT AVt2 speaker cables, IFI Purifier2, AQ Cinnamon USB cable, Groneberg Quatro Reference IC's
    Spare Room: Antique Sound Labs Wave AV-8 Monoblocks, Tisbury Mini Passive Pre, Tjoeb 99 tube CD player (modified Marantz CD-38), Analysis Plus Oval 9's, Zu Jumpers, AudioEngine B1 Streamer, Klipsch RB-61 v2, SVS PB1000 sub, Blue Jeans RCA IC's, Shunyata Hydra 8 Power Conditioner
    Living Room: Peachtree Nova Integrated, Cambridge CXN v2 Streamer, Rotel RCD-1072 CD player, Furman 15PFi Power Conditioner, Polk RT265 In Wall Speakers, Polk DSW Pro 660wi sub
    Garage: Cambridge Audio 640A Integrated Amp, Project Box-E BT Streamer, Polk Tsi200 Bookies, Douglas Speaker Cables, Shunyata Power Conditioner
  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,510
    While I'm under corona house arrest I thought this would be a good time to do some comparisons. Having heard a rumor that fully balanced amps don't project the soundstage as far as non-balanced amps my curiosity got the best of me. So far I'm surprised that the little non balanced Proton d1200 is making a good accounting of itself. More listening is needed.
    kvc64ndres4f.jpg

    I see an unusual shelf the amp is sitting on that I really like. It looks like some type of adjustable piston on each side. Is it part of the overall shelf? Can you talk about it?

    I was looking at a listing of a D1200 on Reverb that was posted on Wednesday. Almost mint it said. It has sold immediately.
    Harry

    It's not a piston it's just an extra part of a stand I put in there as an isolation experiment. They made no change that I can hear so I'll probably remove them at some point.
    I bet that 1200 did sell quick if it was priced right. I was thinking this d1200 is one of my better cost vs. performance items. In my case the Proton didn't cost as much as a pair of aftermarket handles on one of the Macs.
  • BlueBirdMusicBlueBirdMusic Registered User Posts: 1,276
    The link to the 1200 below. I think it was slightly higher than others I have seen on Reverb, but it has all original packing etc.

    You really have a treasure chest in your rig. I assume you use a dreadnought with the 1200.

    https://reverb.com/item/32915657-proton-d-1200

    Harry
    If the telephone doesn't ring ......... it's me
    Harry / Marietta Georgia
  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,510
    That 1200 is in very nice shape and that seemed like a fair price. My lighting is all original and getting pretty dim compared to that one and I'm thinking that should be my next project.
    Thanks for the kind words and yes I use a 1000va dreadnaught.
  • 55SLA7055SLA70 Posts: 22
    A couple days ago I put a NOS SED 5U4G rectifier in my Decware preamp. I recently got it off Ebay and paid about $20.00 for it. Quite frankly I wasn't expecting much but after a couple days of listening I found it not to be a bad tube at all. Compared to the 1950's Tung-Sol 53YG it replaced, I found it clearer and with a larger soundstage, but also a little edgier and with a slight increase in glare. It also had a little more drive. The edge and glare were definitely there but it wasn't that bad. Just noticeable upon comparison. I could regularly listen to it with no reservations whatsoever. Maybe if I put some more hours on it some of the edge and glare will dissipate, but for now, it's definitely something I could live with. For $20.00, on my rig, I consider it a win.
    Old Name: 55LS70
    Preamp: Decware CSP3 w/ 1 x Amperex 7308, 2 x OCK Rockets 6N1P's
    Power Amp: Cary SLA Signature 2 X Mullard GZ32's, 2 X RCA 5691's, 4 X Tung Sol 6550 reissues
    Analog: Rega Planar 3 w/ P2000 motor, Deep Groove sub platter, Incognito tonearm wiring, JA Michell counterweight, Tangospinner feet, Dynavector 10 x 5 cartridge, Parks Audio Budgie Hybrid phono stage w/ 2 x BEL 6922's.
    Radio: HH Scott 330D tuner with HH Scott Type 335 multiplex. Both modified by Mapleshade.
    Digital: Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD player with Cambridge Audio DACMagic DAC.
    Speaker Cables: Kimber Kable 8TC's
    Interconnects. Tuner: Audioquest Black Mamba II's, phono stage: Kimber Kable Hero's, PreAmp/Amp and Digital: Audioquest King Cobra"s
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    I have recently found out (again) just how valuable a rectifier tube can be in a system. Congrat's on your new found sound!

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • 55SLA7055SLA70 Posts: 22
    edited March 20
    Thanks Tom. I just got the Decware preamp and have been rolling quite a few tubes through it, trying to dial it in. As we speak the leading combination is a 1958 RCA 5R4GY rectifier, a BEL 6922 (made in India with Phillips tooling) input and a pair Voshod 6N1P-BN outputs. I tried rolling some other 6922's into the output section but due to the 6N1P's high heater voltage, I got a nasty 60 cycle hum. So, for the time being, I'm kind of stuck with the Voshods. Other rectifiers I tried include: a 1958 RCA 5U4G, a 1963 Tung-Sol 53YGT, and a 1967 Mullard GZ32. I keep coming back to the RCA 5R4GY though. So far the best compromise of the bunch.
    Old Name: 55LS70
    Preamp: Decware CSP3 w/ 1 x Amperex 7308, 2 x OCK Rockets 6N1P's
    Power Amp: Cary SLA Signature 2 X Mullard GZ32's, 2 X RCA 5691's, 4 X Tung Sol 6550 reissues
    Analog: Rega Planar 3 w/ P2000 motor, Deep Groove sub platter, Incognito tonearm wiring, JA Michell counterweight, Tangospinner feet, Dynavector 10 x 5 cartridge, Parks Audio Budgie Hybrid phono stage w/ 2 x BEL 6922's.
    Radio: HH Scott 330D tuner with HH Scott Type 335 multiplex. Both modified by Mapleshade.
    Digital: Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD player with Cambridge Audio DACMagic DAC.
    Speaker Cables: Kimber Kable 8TC's
    Interconnects. Tuner: Audioquest Black Mamba II's, phono stage: Kimber Kable Hero's, PreAmp/Amp and Digital: Audioquest King Cobra"s
  • treitz3treitz3 Posts: 14,617
    I am currently running a NOS 5AR4 - Mullard from the 60's as my rectifier. Sounds like you have some tube stash to work with. Nice. Since I have a new pre with completely different tubes now, my stash will have to start from scratch.

    Tom
    In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence.

    ~ The best way to enjoy digital music reproduction is to never listen to good analogue reproduction ~

    ~ Not all things that can be measured can be heard and not all things heard can be measured ~

    ~ When the law ends, tyranny begins ~
  • 55SLA7055SLA70 Posts: 22
    I've been thinking about trying a Mullard 5AR4. Some other Decware preamp owners use them with good results. I have to remember to look for one when I go on one of my tube buying binges.
    Old Name: 55LS70
    Preamp: Decware CSP3 w/ 1 x Amperex 7308, 2 x OCK Rockets 6N1P's
    Power Amp: Cary SLA Signature 2 X Mullard GZ32's, 2 X RCA 5691's, 4 X Tung Sol 6550 reissues
    Analog: Rega Planar 3 w/ P2000 motor, Deep Groove sub platter, Incognito tonearm wiring, JA Michell counterweight, Tangospinner feet, Dynavector 10 x 5 cartridge, Parks Audio Budgie Hybrid phono stage w/ 2 x BEL 6922's.
    Radio: HH Scott 330D tuner with HH Scott Type 335 multiplex. Both modified by Mapleshade.
    Digital: Cambridge Audio 640C V2 CD player with Cambridge Audio DACMagic DAC.
    Speaker Cables: Kimber Kable 8TC's
    Interconnects. Tuner: Audioquest Black Mamba II's, phono stage: Kimber Kable Hero's, PreAmp/Amp and Digital: Audioquest King Cobra"s
  • Mike ReeterMike Reeter Posts: 3,978
    55SLA70 wrote: »
    I've been thinking about trying a Mullard 5AR4. Some other Decware preamp owners use them with good results. I have to remember to look for one when I go on one of my tube buying binges.

    I have one these, a Mullard made G.E. in my Preamp, excellent choice.

    SDA SRS 2.3TL's/SDA SRS 3.1TL's/SDA CRS+4.1TL's and some other stuff
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