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TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Yeah I'm going to trust the 3 people whom I dislike the most on this forum???
HAHAHA!!! I don't think so. I told you what my conditions were to do the testing. Pony up or go home..
I think you 3 have tested each others cables a few times.
You don't get to set the terms. My cables my terms. I already met you half way. You managed to climb on the pony, saw the view for what it is and climbed right back off.
I understand your self doubt.
I told you I have a 3rd option that would be 100% acceptable if you would like to wait for a response. -
Why not use an IMPARTIAL person for escrow?? Why would Larry trust CokewithVanilla or XCapri over you? They seem to have as biased a view as you.
Greg
Feel free to mention a few people. Geez have some creative thought. -
I'm still new to this game but I came to the following conclusion. Can it be that some people equipment isn't as revealing as others? Meaning if someone is listening to a $200 receiver vs MBL tube amp, the details are lost by the equipment and not in the cable? So the person in the lower quality gear never had a chance to hear the difference from the cables. While I can't comment on cable break in, I did notice s significant difference in SQ in Audioquest cables and my current Signal cables.
This was my long term feeling as well. And my system is by no mean anywhere near mid line compared to what some guys on this forum have. Running an Onkyo preamp, M504 power amp, old Phillips DVD player and Monitor 10's.
Freddy here on the forum so graciously GAVE me a pair of MIT Terminator 6's last month. I had been running some cheap Monster cable for years. Hooking them up....I could tell subtle differences on some recordings. Much more difference on other recordings. Sarah Mclachlan's Angel....OMG. I actually had chills! I switched between the MIT's and the Monster's about 6 times comparing them on this one recording. And it was truly amazing how much better the MIT's sounded. Tighter deeper bass....her voice....sounded like she was in the room with me! Can't imagine how much better a set of RDO's and XO upgrades will make things! So yeah equipment surely has something to do with it. But even on low end gear I think there is a difference to be heard.
On the subject of cable burn in. I am not a naysayer really. And never asked the question for sake of a **** storm. But from what I have read, and probably way too little at that. Isn't the idea of burn in rearranging the electrons in the wire? And would it not take quite a bit of voltage to do that? With all the talk about burn in. I don't think I have ever head anyone speak of burn in for spades or banana plugs. What about them?--Gary--
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Feel free to mention a few people. Geez have some creative thought.
Sure, How about Bobman1235, starkiller or george daniel?
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."![:\](https://forum.polkaudio.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Wow. Alot of very good reading. I have enjoyed this
Sounds like the naysayers have not reached that level with their systems yet to hear the improvements that can be made by higher end cables. It's too bad cause it's quite a revelation and just another magical thing this hobby has to offer. Onkyo TX NR 5008 modified by The Upgrade Company
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Sure, How about Bobman1235, starkiller or george daniel?
Greg
See if Bobman1235 will do it -
See if Bobman1235 will do it
Sent him a PM.
Greg
Edit: He was just on, but he's not anymore. We'll just have to wait.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
jayman_1975 wrote: »Sounds like the naysayers have not reached that level with their systems yet to hear the improvements that can be made by higher end cables.
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I made that statement sometime ago. And I still beleive it to be true.. I Don't beleive MIT shotguns are for every system. Why would a person spend $3000-$10,000 on a system that cost $500-$1000 ?? That just don't make sense.. out of all the cables I have tried AudioQuest type4's are my favorite bang for your buck speaker cable. Some seem to think the same about Signal cables I for one did not like them they seem to collapse the sound stage on my rig, point being my rig!!
Everybodys rig is going to be different. Some cables might sound bright on one guys rig and neutral on anothers rig.
As far as burn in I for one know it's true. MIT's that I have owned and do own AVT's and Shotguns S3's have taken the longest to smooth out. They need at least 300 hours to really open up..
But yes a lofi rig I beleive is not going to give one a good feeling about expensive cables and burn in. As one with a mid-fi to Hi-fi systems. Hell a good DAC will change even a lo-fi rig to a new level..
Just my .02This was my long term feeling as well. And my system is by no mean anywhere near mid line compared to what some guys on this forum have. Running an Onkyo preamp, M504 power amp, old Phillips DVD player and Monitor 10's.
Freddy here on the forum so graciously GAVE me a pair of MIT Terminator 6's last month. I had been running some cheap Monster cable for years. Hooking them up....I could tell subtle differences on some recordings. Much more difference on other recordings. Sarah Mclachlan's Angel....OMG. I actually had chills! I switched between the MIT's and the Monster's about 6 times comparing them on this one recording. And it was truly amazing how much better the MIT's sounded. Tighter deeper bass....her voice....sounded like she was in the room with me! Can't imagine how much better a set of RDO's and XO upgrades will make things! So yeah equipment surely has something to do with it. But even on low end gear I think there is a difference to be heard.
On the subject of cable burn in. I am not a naysayer really. And never asked the question for sake of a **** storm. But from what I have read, and probably way too little at that. Isn't the idea of burn in rearranging the electrons in the wire? And would it not take quite a bit of voltage to do that? With all the talk about burn in. I don't think I have ever head anyone speak of burn in for spades or banana plugs. What about them? -
cokewithvanilla wrote: »I thought the argument was about the merit of the cable burn in theory.
It was, up until it was hijacked by a straw man fallacy and followed through with a cocktail of smug posturing and slanderCurrent System:
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It was, up until it was hijacked by a straw man fallacy and followed through with a cocktail of smug posturing and slander
ah. I think that sums up most arguments that appear on this site. -
Why not use an IMPARTIAL person for escrow?? Why would Larry trust CokewithVanilla or XCapri over you? They seem to have as biased a view as you.
Greg
So their bias determines their honesty? I doubt it.
I don't see why anyone would have to hold the money. I don't think either side would welch on charity, or at least I would hope not.
And two or three members could be chosen by each side to hold the encrypted file, that way we'd know there's no funny business there either. -
This was my long term feeling as well. And my system is by no mean anywhere near mid line compared to what some guys on this forum have. Running an Onkyo preamp, M504 power amp, old Phillips DVD player and Monitor 10's.
Freddy here on the forum so graciously GAVE me a pair of MIT Terminator 6's last month. I had been running some cheap Monster cable for years. Hooking them up....I could tell subtle differences on some recordings. Much more difference on other recordings. Sarah Mclachlan's Angel....OMG. I actually had chills! I switched between the MIT's and the Monster's about 6 times comparing them on this one recording. And it was truly amazing how much better the MIT's sounded. Tighter deeper bass....her voice....sounded like she was in the room with me! Can't imagine how much better a set of RDO's and XO upgrades will make things! So yeah equipment surely has something to do with it. But even on low end gear I think there is a difference to be heard.
On the subject of cable burn in. I am not a naysayer really. And never asked the question for sake of a **** storm. But from what I have read, and probably way too little at that. Isn't the idea of burn in rearranging the electrons in the wire? And would it not take quite a bit of voltage to do that? With all the talk about burn in. I don't think I have ever head anyone speak of burn in for spades or banana plugs. What about them?
Glad you liked them
I'm a believer, but I'm not going to argue with naysayers to convince them otherwise.
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If you go through with the cable test or challenge or whatever, I suggest, if money permits, that you send as many cables as possible... at least 7. Oh, and I also suggest that a random number of them be burned in for the same amount of time. Toolfan should not know how many are burned in, only that at least one is or isn't
I can just see the outcome if you send 4... -
So their bias determines their honesty? I doubt it.
I don't see why anyone would have to hold the money. I don't think either side would welch on charity, or at least I would hope not.
And two or three members could be chosen by each side to hold the encrypted file, that way we'd know there's no funny business there either.
Welch??? Well I don't think I need to prove my honesty on this forum or my word and contribution to not only the fourm but Polk Audio as well.
Nuff said.. -
So their bias determines their honesty? I doubt it.
I don't see why anyone would have to hold the money. I don't think either side would welch on charity, or at least I would hope not.
And two or three members could be chosen by each side to hold the encrypted file, that way we'd know there's no funny business there either.
Good idea. You, Xcapri (if he agrees), Coke W/V and Whomever Toolforlife would like. -
TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »Welch??? Well I don't think I need to prove my honesty on this forum or my word and contribution to not only the fourm but Polk Audio as well.
Nuff said..
I agree, like I said, I don't think anyone needs to hold the money. -
cokewithvanilla wrote: »If you go through with the cable test or challenge or whatever, I suggest, if money permits, that you send as many cables as possible... at least 7. Oh, and I also suggest that a random number of them be burned in for the same amount of time. Toolfan should not know how many are burned in, only that at least one is or isn't
I can just see the outcome if you send 4...
The outcome is 6 possible:
AB
AC
AD
BC
BD
CD
There is a 16.6% chance of simply guessing it correctly. I would take those odds any day of the week. -
So their bias determines their honesty? I doubt it..
Uh huh, and you believe all politicians, judges, etc. are honest I take it? Even with a biased opinion.I don't see why anyone would have to hold the money. I don't think either side would welch on charity, or at least I would hope not.
And two or three members could be chosen by each side to hold the encrypted file, that way we'd know there's no funny business there either.
I am not saying anyone would welch on sending the money to charity at all. I am just saying that people acting as an escrow holding the information to the true cable designations (i.e. which ones are burned in and which aren't, assuming there are really cables sent that ARE burned in and some that aren't) can be prone to dishonesty (not saying they would be) due to their bias. Do you disagree with that?
Greg
Edit: Being as Larry has never heard the Belden cables before (I don't think) how do we know that there is an audible difference after being burned in? (I can see where you want to go with this, but don't....please) Wouldn't a cable that Larry agrees has an audible difference after being burned in be more appropriate?
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
Um, not sure how or why I got mentioned in this whole thing - I guess that's what makes me impartial?
I haven't read through the whole thread but if you guys need me to do be some sort of impartial holder of stuff or moneys or whatever I'm happy to do it. Just let me know what I need to do.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
You don't get to set the terms. My cables my terms. I already met you half way. You managed to climb on the pony, saw the view for what it is and climbed right back off....assuming there are really cables sent that ARE burned in and some that aren't) can be prone to dishonesty (not say they would be) due to their bias.DarqueKnight wrote: »How do you propose to certify that you are actually sending cables with the specified amount of burn in? Is TFLF just supposed to take your word for it?
Well? Is he?Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
I am not saying anyone would welch on sending the money to charity at all. I am just saying that people acting as an escrow holding the information to the true cable designations (i.e. which ones are burned in and which aren't, assuming there are really cables sent that ARE burned in and some that aren't) can be prone to dishonesty (not say they would be) due to their bias. Do you disagree with that?
Greg
It's possible, that's why I suggested several people have the zip file sent to them. They could then compare , and make sure they all have the same file, and whether or not the correct cables were chosen. -
Please see the edited portion of my last post.
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
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Are you suggesting that he make a time lapse video of burning in cables? or that he sends them to a member to burn in?
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cokewithvanilla wrote: »What is so hard about arguing without taking things personal?
That ability is only obtained by those who finish law school and pass the bar exam.;)Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
cokewithvanilla wrote: »Are you suggesting that he make a time lapse video of burning in cables?
I am suggesting that cable is used that Larry agrees has a difference in sound after being burned in. That way he will know if they have really been burned in or not. Sounds fair.
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson
"Have A Little Faith! And Everything You'll Face, Will Jump From Out Right On Into Place! Yeah! Take A Little Time! And Everything You'll Find, Will Move From Gloom Right On Into Shine!"- Arthur Lee -
It was, up until it was hijacked by a straw man fallacy and followed through with a cocktail of smug posturing and slander
you forgot your meds again, schizophrenia is no laughing matter and the meds must be taken under strict regimentation for full desired effect.
by the way, why do I have a feeling you think 9/11 was an inside job too? I'm not arrogant enough to say it's fact, call it intuition.
do you own a tin foil hat?
do you believe people hide in your bushes and spy on you, do they work for the CIA?
dude, I can go all day with this..........long story short, your really coming off like a paranoid loon.
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I am suggesting that cable is used that Larry agrees has a difference in sound after being burned in. That way he will know if they have really been burned in or not. Sounds fair.
Greg
What? "agrees has a difference in sound after being burned in"??? I thought this exercise was to see if there is a difference in burn in... not "we know there is a difference, now try to pick it out"
edit: oh, wait.. I think I get it, you mean a brand of cable that experiences burn in? you are also assuming that there is only one outcome. -
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Prometheus Ref. TVC passive pre, SAE A-205 Amp, Wiim pro streamer and Topping E50 DAC, California Audio Labs DX1 CD player, Von Schweikert VR3.5 speakers.
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