cable break in believer

sm88

ohskigod wrote: »

you forgot your meds again, schizophrenia is no laughing matter and the meds must be taken under strict regimentation for full desired effect.


by the way, why do I have a feeling you think 9/11 was an inside job too? I'm not arrogant enough to say it's fact, call it intuition.

do you own a tin foil hat?

do you believe people hide in your bushes and spy on you, do they work for the CIA?

dude, I can go all day with this..........long story short, your really coming off like a paranoid loon.

when you report this post, be sure to tell Patrick and/or Al I said hi, and that I forgot to mail the shirts from Polkfest. I've been busy as hell

How does pointing out a straw man argument that led to this whole ridiculous series of posts make me paranoid? Would you like to reread what I wrote and perhaps use a dictionary? I really don't mean to offend you here but you aren't making a bit of sense unless you quoted the wrong post.

DarqueKnight

sm88 wrote: »

Because clearly the price of the cable has a huge effect on whether or not it burns in. The $10,000 cables you so modestly boast of are obviously a better candidate than $100 cables. That is what this hobby is all about, right? Who spends the most money. The more expensive system is ALWAYS the best. His cables are too "inexpensive" to be worth listening to, and the peons who are so beneath you and your high consultation fee best cower before the 99.9999% pieces of silver you paid ten times the material cost for.

The rule of thumb in high end audio is that retail price is five times material cost. Therefore, for a set of cables retailing for $10,000, the material cost is about $2,000. If you are a shrewd shopper and buy used or demo goods, you typically pay no more than 50% of retail.

The forum has a group therapy circle for those who find relief in discussing their misconceptions about me and how I pursue this hobby.

Have fun:

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heiney9

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=cables&m=149938

Please discuss.

H9

ohskigod

sm88 wrote: »

How does pointing out a straw man argument that led to this whole ridiculous series of posts make me paranoid? Would you like to reread what I wrote and perhaps use a dictionary? I really don't mean to offend you here but you aren't making a bit of sense unless you quoted the wrong post.

you're right bro, it's ok..

heiney9

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=cables&m=149280

See folks, all audio sites have cable debates, not just us. I say our reputed naysayers give CP a break and head over to another forum and get their "ya ya's" out.

tonyb

Did anyone really expect a cable thread to turn out any different than it has ?

Seriously, if those who don't believe in cable burn in, bigfoot, or aliens, man, don't jump in the thread and move on....

ohskigod

tonyb wrote: »

Seriously, if those who don't believe in cable burn in, bigfoot, or aliens, man, don't jump in the thread and move on....

or just say,

"I really dont belueve cables do all that much, at least in my experience"

....as opposed to


"Cables do nothing, your ears are lying to you!!!!! if you dont prove it to me definitively, then it isnt true......lalalalalalalalala can't hear you!!!!!"



holy crap. LOL

headrott

Keiko wrote: »

The trick in cooking roast Bigfoot is slow burn in,.....

That's funny. That's the same recipe I use for burning in my cables.;)

Greg

reeltrouble1

halo71 wrote: »

Freddy here on the forum so graciously GAVE me a pair of MIT Terminator 6's last month. I had been running some cheap Monster cable for years. Hooking them up....I could tell subtle differences on some recordings. Much more difference on other recordings. Sarah Mclachlan's Angel....OMG. I actually had chills! I switched between the MIT's and the Monster's about 6 times comparing them on this one recording. And it was truly amazing how much better the MIT's sounded. Tighter deeper bass....her voice....sounded like she was in the room with me! Can't imagine how much better a set of RDO's and XO upgrades will make things! So yeah equipment surely has something to do with it. But even on low end gear I think there is a difference to be heard.

That is excellent Gary. Good on Freddy. I believe I sent those to him (sold) a while back, I begot them initially from Russman and a third cable from used-cables, the bass was the thing I noticed right out as well, yet on a totally different system, so there you go. When you head this way stop off in Brunswick and we will have a time of it chasing Rabbits.

RT1

WilliamM2

heiney9 wrote: »

http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=cables&m=149280

See folks, all audio sites have cable debates, not just us. I say our reputed naysayers give CP a break and head over to another forum and get their "ya ya's" out.

If you don't like the discussion, why don't you give CP a break and head somewhere else? Or just don't click on the thread.

heiney9

Oh William, your retorts are priceless. You should write for one of those failed tv sitcoms.

H9

halo71

reeltrouble1 wrote: »

That is excellent Gary. Good on Freddy. I believe I sent those to him (sold) a while back, I begot them initially from Russman and a third cable from used-cables, the bass was the thing I noticed right out as well, yet on a totally different system, so there you go. When you head this way stop off in Brunswick and we will have a time of it chasing Rabbits.

RT1

Sounds like a plan!

So these cables made it back to the east coast....well almost. lol

madmax

7 pages of dribble in two days... Awesome!

steveinaz

Some people could circle the earth 8 times and still swear it's flat. I won't waste any more of my time in this thread, since no one seems to think my .99 cent IC's can perform---I'm Oh-fended.

fishbones

This thread is like a car accident...I can't look away, but I know I should.

Let's throw this scenario out...

Say Larry takes you up on your offer, gets the cables, picks the right one....then what???

You really expect us to believe that it will change any of your minds from what you already believe? I'm sure it will start another thread of attacks, saying that he didn't do the test properly, it was a lucky guess, he'll say whatever he needs to to validate his beliefs. I mean come on? I don't think it will change a thing.

Plus, how much difference in burn-in can a cable make that is an inexpensive cable? Even doubters have to think of this from a rational viewpoint? If you bought a $100 cd player from wally world, how much could it possibly change when it is doomed from the get go? I'm not saying the cables in question are bad, I don't know them at all, but really, if your going to do a test like this, the parameters of the cables potential have to be substantial, IMO.

I'm sure this will just keep feeding the fire, which I don't really want to do, but I can't get my head around some of the common sense factor of this whole debacle.

-Troy

heiney9

I can sum it up in two words as to how people will react after Larry's done

circle jerk

H9

Flash21

Wow, 203 replies in 2 days...didn't we just do this a month or two ago?

jinjuku

fishbones wrote: »

This thread is like a car accident...I can't look away, but I know I should.

Let's throw this scenario out...

Say Larry takes you up on your offer, gets the cables, picks the right one....then what???

You really expect us to believe that it will change any of your minds from what you already believe? I'm sure it will start another thread of attacks, saying that he didn't do the test properly, it was a lucky guess, he'll say whatever he needs to to validate his beliefs. I mean come on? I don't think it will change a thing.

I would do an about face and seriously re-evaluate and change my approach to gain the same results. Bar none.

Flash21

TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »

Everybodys rig is going to be different. Some cables might sound bright on one guys rig and neutral on anothers rig.

This is very, very much true. My experiences with cables in my system alone have proven this, to the point where I don't trust cable reviews much at all.

To elaborate: When I swapped CD players the interconnect that had formerly been "best" for my system with the old CDP was now blah and lifeless...simply by switching one variable. How can a reviewer possibly predict how a cable will sound in your system? I appreciate their efforts, but they can't, unless the rest of their system is the same as yours. And what are the odds of that?

Which may explain why some folk haven't heard differences in cables, their system synergy didn't work for the cables they tried. But there may be other cables out there that would work if they keep trying...yeah it's a royal PITA I agree. Believe me, I would be much happier if cables were all alike (so don't point the "expectational bias" finger at me).

steveinaz

jinjuku wrote: »

I would do an about face and seriously re-evaluate and change my approach to gain the same results. Bar none.

AH-HA.

So you would go on the word of someone else, rather than your own experience?

Again, do you hear yourself? You position yourself as a dyed-in-the-wool dis-believer, but you're ready to reverse your entire position on the basis of one test. I question your passion on this topic.

My work is done here. I have heard all I need to hear.

WilliamM2

heiney9 wrote: »

I can sum it up in two words as to how people will react after Larry's done

circle jerk

H9

You guys are already doing that now.

jinjuku

steveinaz wrote: »

AH-HA.

So you would go on the word of someone else, rather than your own experience?

Again, do you hear yourself?

My work is done here.

It's not about experience, it's about approach to listening. Two different things. I got started in this hobby thanks to a mentor that showed me good ways to approach and think about things.

Sometimes you need an OUTSIDE stimulus to make internal changes to your thinking.

WilliamM2

steveinaz wrote: »

AH-HA.

So you would go on the word of someone else, rather than your own experience?

Again, do you hear yourself?

He has already admitted that he can't hear the difference, so have I, that won't change. But if he chose correctly, it would prove that someone could hear the difference. That would be a first, actual evidence, rather than just more anecdotal claims.

Personally, I think he should do a more rigorous test. One where it is verified the cables are really burned in, and with more than a single trial. That way no one could dispute the results.

But it sure it won't change the mind of any believers if he fails, as it's already been tested many times, and they won't accept the results. Too close minded.

steveinaz

So this is NOT about cables, it's about human hearing abilities? That makes for a very weak argument as the variables involved in THAT topic make cable talk seem like reciting the ABC's properly.

Why is it so hard to concieve that some people can hear things that others cannot? My hearing is fairly poor, especially my left ear; but when it comes to "tone" I HAVE a golden ear. I can identify voices of people who's songs I don't even know. I can't explain it, but I call it photographic hearing memory. I can speak to you on the phone 1 time; not hear from your for 5 years, and the minute you speak, I know it's you. Seriously---ask my wife, it freaks her out. Is any of what I do based in science? Doubtful, but it is what it is. You have to know a cable before you can tell a difference in it. If you sent me a burned-in cable and a brand new cable--I wouldn't be able to discern which was which, but I could tell you how they sound different from each other--because I have no knowledge of how that cable sounds in the first place. Some cables show little to no difference, especially if they have similar topolgies and materials. How is all this possible? I DON'T know, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.

This "bugs" my perfectionist side to death, so I like premium cables in my system. I want to rule out (as much as possible) one more factor that could be negatively influencing the music, overall. What's to debate?

treitz3

jayman_1975 wrote: »

There is a chance that the system being on for days sounded better because it was fully warmed up. I'll be able to test out that theory shortly after i'm done fully breaking the cables in. I will play it fully warmed up and then another day i'll turn it on and listen right away.

Good point.

First off Jayman, thank you for responding in a way that is beneficial to this hobby. Honesty will take you far down the twisted Rabbit hole, my friend. I'd also like to thank you for sharing your observations with the group even though I knew this thread would end up like this.

In the years that I have been on this board, I can only recall one thread where folks did actually talk productively about the sonic changes [some] folks experienced about the burn in or even the thought that cables can even make a difference. It's a shame that we can't productively and subjectively chat about the changes we experience without the trolls coming in and thread crapping.

That said, to Jinjuku....

Your test is flawed. Let me repeat that since you have a hard time grasping things around here, your test is flawed. Now, before you go spewing BS out of your Johnson licker, hear me out.

Nobody would be able to pass your test accurately. If they do [and I doubt anybody could], it would be just plain dumb luck. First and foremost, the test would obviously have to be done in stereo. That's 2 channels. Count them, 1, 2. That's it. OK, now that we have established that the test will have to be done on two channels we have now determined the fundamental flaw in your challenge.

How can you tell if 1 IC is broken in when you have 2 separate channels with 2 separate signals? You can't. Even if it were a mono signal, the changes in room acoustics between the R & L channel [in an estimated 98% of board members listening rooms] would alter the outcome. Stereo effect is just that, stereo. Without it, you completely lose the sound stage that stereo presents.

That stereo image is the #1 thing I [personally] pick up on when hearing changes within the system. Those that have well trained ears would most likely agree. Sure, the frequencies may change but with the test you presented but....even if someone was to pick out the pair of burnt in cables....it might sound better or worse to them in their rig. Same goes for the new pair. Let me repeat, your test is flawed.

That said, since your intentions have obviously been pre-planned? I wouldn't doubt for one second that you have planned to give out 1 burned in cable and all the rest being new or even no burned in cables at all being sent. In other words, I don't trust you. With your blatant intentions of thread crapping and predictions of what's to go down? I doubt anybody else on this board would either.

heiney9

jinjuku wrote: »

It's not about experience.

Pure BS

H9

vc69

steveinaz wrote: »

So this is NOT about cables, it's about human hearing abilities? That makes for a very weak argument as the variables involved in THAT topic make cable talk seem like reciting the ABC's properly.

Why is it so hard to concieve that some people can hear things that others cannot? My hearing is fairly poor, especially my left ear; but when it comes to "tone" I HAVE a golden ear. I can identify voices of people who's songs I don't even know. I can't explain it, but I call it photographic hearing memory. I can speak to you on the phone 1 time; not hear from your for 5 years, and the minute you speak, I know it's you. Seriously---ask my wife, it freaks her out. Is any of what I do based in science? Doubtful, but it is what it is. You have to know a cable before you can tell a difference in it. If you sent me a burned-in cable and a brand new cable--I wouldn't be able to discern which was which, but I could tell you how they sound different from each other--because I have no knowledge of how that cable sounds in the first place. Some cables show little to no difference, especially if they have similar topolgies and materials. How is all this possible? I DON'T know, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.

This "bugs" my perfectionist side to death, so I like premium cables in my system. I want to rule out (as much as possible) one more factor that could be negatively influencing the music, overall. What's to debate?

And that my friends, is exactly the whole and entire truth of this matter. Some of us can tell, some of us cannot. Some of us care, some of us do not.
I can and I care.

Well put Steve.

heiney9

WilliamM2 wrote: »

He has already admitted that he can't hear the difference, so have I, that won't change.

If you can't hear the difference then why even comment on the level you both always do.

If one is color blind and can't see the color red, fine. But I wouldn't expect them to say the color red doesn't exisit, or that they dislike the color red, or that others are being brain washed into believing the color red exists. Or that non-color blind people have to prove to color blind people the color red exists. Who cares, that person will never see the color red no matter how the issue is resolved by people who can see the color red.

What a stupid arguement!! You can't hear a difference and now everyone else has to prove to you they hear a difference so you can still not hear a difference yourself.

I am practially speechless as to how utterly ridiculous that is.

WOW!!!! that is really STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.

H9

acmf74

one of the best cable debates in-awhile.

treitz3

heiney9 wrote: »

If one is color blind and can't see the color red, fine. But I wouldn't expect them to say the color red doesn't exist, or that they dislike the color red, or that others are being brain washed into believing the color red exists.

Nice.

I wonder if he "predicted" you'd say that?