New Polk Audio "Legend" Speaker Series shown at 2019 Hong Kong High End Audio Video Show

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  • verbverb Posts: 8,174
    halo wrote: »
    Well, I'm glad to see that Polk (aka Sound United) is still producing and innovating new speakers. In my humble opinion, judging a book by its cover usually gets you nowhere. I am excited about the new line and I'll wait until after I've heard them to form an opinion. YMMV.

    Gotta agree with Vic here. Aesthetics, sure, everyone loves the handcrafted real wood cabinets and machined metal bits and pieces. Craftsmanship. Yeah! Heavy. Yeah! Love it too! But, how do these mass produced guys sound? We're gonna find out! :smile:
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  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 3,702
    I think therein lies the problem. Price seems high. The LSiM’s are great speakers, but for $4k? Like you said, there are probably more options now out there for the same or slightly higher that give much better performance.
    I got mine used for $800 for the pair. Sold them for the same. You can now buy them brand new for the same. That’s awful for those who paid $3k (705’s) I can see the Elacs getting discounted every now and again for up to 30-40% off retail. But not 73%!


    As an aside, the pic of the Lsim woofer (left) and the Elac woofer (right)

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  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,671
    edited August 14
    Both are nice drivers. Those Elac's look at if they have a hell of a stoke!

    Funny thing about ELAC drivers. Their 400 series drivers just draw you in like a black hole and makes you(Me any way) want to listen to them. I've yet to do so however....Not that I can afford them.
    ELACline400family-1500x800.jpg

    The drivers are brutes! http://www.dynabel.no/filemanager/download_file/file/770816
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    ...and yes....Polk may have a hard time in the $4K-$5K range. There is just too much out there today.
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  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 2,399
    Can anyone confirm that the current run LSiM speakers are using the same drivers and especially crossovers that the originals shipped with?

    I seem to remember some info on here that the newer ones had some parts swapped for cheaper ones.

    Would help explain some of the price slashing.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,282
    Upstatemax wrote: »
    Can anyone confirm that the current run LSiM speakers are using the same drivers and especially crossovers that the originals shipped with?

    I seem to remember some info on here that the newer ones had some parts swapped for cheaper ones.

    Would help explain some of the price slashing.

    The pricing has always been due to eliminating multiple hands in the delivery of the product to market. Once a company gets as big as Polk, the infrastructure has to be in place to deliver which adds cost. On the flip side, the scale of manufacturing offsets some of these costs. Now people are getting the benefit of scale and no infrastructure.
  • cfrizzcfrizz Posts: 13,420
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    So... it's not my place to be doing legal research for, umm, Sound United :* but the post by @vcwatkins got me to thinkin' about the Legend moniker.

    There's this other loudspeaker manufacturer who refers (or, at least, referred) to their brand as A Legend in Sound. :|

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    They even have had a Legend Series of loudspeakers.

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    Is there any trademark infringement issue kind of thing goin' on, here?

    Just... you know... musing.

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    I muse, therefore I am.

    I don't see a problem Mark. Legend is a common word as is Monster, as is Reference. Now if they had duplicated "Legend in Sound", then there would be a problem.

    Unless you are illiterate, You should know the difference between Polk Legend and Klipsch Legend.
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  • deronb1deronb1 Posts: 4,813
    I think the complaint here is a lack of creativity?
  • EmlynEmlyn Posts: 2,528
    “Signature Reference” was already taken by Emo-tiva.
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  • UpstatemaxUpstatemax Posts: 2,399
    DSkip wrote: »

    The pricing has always been due to eliminating multiple hands in the delivery of the product to market. Once a company gets as big as Polk, the infrastructure has to be in place to deliver which adds cost. On the flip side, the scale of manufacturing offsets some of these costs. Now people are getting the benefit of scale and no infrastructure.

    This speaker line was basically never available at dealers/retailers and had VERY limited distribution channels from the start, mainly online.

    That has not changed with most of the prices you’re seeing. The biggest factor seems to be that Polk needs to unload the massive financial anchor of their inventory of the LSiM line and just forget about making any kind of profit on them. Clearly Polk is contracting places like Adorama to basically be a clearance house for them.

    But I’m still curious if the newer LSiM speakers are built the same as the original production runs.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,282
    While you may not have seen it, trust me in that there were several chains that are now bypassed by going direct through Adorama, both within and outside of SU. The buying power of Adorama also helped lower costs even more.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,564
    edited August 14
    Looks like a bunch of NP electrolytics in that Focal XO.
    The air core conductors in the Alpine XO are pretty cheesy. The ones in the Focal are better, but still nothin' special. The capacitor in the middle of the Alpine XO looks like perhaps a Bennic(?), and there are definitely NP electrolytics to the left and below it; cannot tell about the one on the far right.

    NP electrolytics -- we're talkin' 50 cent capacitors (retail).


    So... I must be missin' something?


  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,671
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Looks like a bunch of NP electrolytics in that Focal XO.
    The air core conductors in the Alpine XO are pretty cheesy. The ones in the Focal are better, but still nothin' special. The capacitor in the middle of the Alpine XO looks like perhaps a Bennic(?), and there are definitely NP electrolytics to the left and below it; cannot tell about the one on the far right.
    NP electrolytics -- we're talkin' 50 cent capacitors (retail).
    So... I must be missin' something?
    Remember, its all relative. This is car audio. In the tough car audio environment, the adjustment ability of these passive crossovers is more rare than common. Its the sum of all parts as both of these are good performing 3-way speakers systems. Both are good looking and could be featured in show systems. The Focal is crazy expensive....and I don't know the details of the electrolytics, but there looks to be some poly in there as well.

    Anyway, the point was made that the Elac had a better crossover. Then I indicated that may be true but that does not take away from the fact that Polk does a good job with their crossovers. The older car audio SR line and the home audio LSiM line both measure pretty well. Again its the sum of all parts.

    I purposely compared the above well performing car audio systems to the Polk SR crossover as it holds its own. Polk used 1% resistors and 1% Mylar caps, Air core inductors, Zobel network, tweeter protection, 4 tweeter levels via a low noise jumper, all on a cast aluminum chassis. Again....Look at the white paper measurements:

    The LSiM is much of the same when you look at the overall measurements of the line.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,564
    edited August 15
    upon reflection, I think we're on two somewhat different wavelengths (heh, see what I did there?) vis-a-vis the crossover topic, so I'm out now.

    Y'all carry on. :)

    It will be interesting to see details on the innards of the new Polks, as well as measurements (impedance curves and whatnot). :|

  • JstasJstas Posts: 13,847
    edited August 15
    WLDock wrote: »
    Take price, sound preference, and comparison to other speakers out of the equation. The scientist over at Polk have done a good job designing speakers and crossovers using the latest tools available. I took notice years ago with the SRS then the later the car audio SR6500 series speakers. Back then they were one of the few that offerd a white paper showing the science behind what they were offering. Their SR line could produce a pretty good response in the car which is not easy to do out of the box and takes some engineering and good components. It looks like the same engineering was used in the LSiM line.

    SR6500 White Paper
    http://www.specsserver.com/CACHE/FILE23773.PDF

    Polk_Audio_SR6500_7_500.jpg

    Not the best, not the worst, but good design and crossover for the SR series, LSiM series, etc. Price to performance is up to the buyer to decide.

    When we were at the old HQ for a Polkfest in, 2005 I think it was?

    Anyhoo, the LCiRTS series was just getting released and they hooked up the show demo LCiRTS105's for us in the demo room at the HQ. While everyone was listening, myself and MacLeod were staring in the little windows of the speakers mounted in the wall.

    Inside that little window was the crossover guts.

    http://global.polkaudio.com/en/Media/POLK/Product Catalogs/RTS Catalog-English.pdf

    Those guts had a little plate that said SR Series on it.

    We asked the sales guy who's name escapes me right now if what we were seeing was true. He confirmed it and said that while the SR Series crossovers were not ideal nor the intended production equivalent, they provided the sound stage and crossover curves and points they were looking for to showcase the imaging that the original LSi in-wall speakers were capable of. Mainly because everyone thought that the ring radiator tweeters were going to be too directional and easy to localize.

    The biggest difference between the SR Series and the LCiRTS crossovers were the SR Series used a 22mm (about 7/8ths inch) ring radiator tweeter vs the LCiRTS and LSi series home speakers 1" ring radiator tweeter. This caused the SR Series crossover to be a bit shouty on the larger 1" tweeters as it was truncating the lower range of the larger tweeter and was not damping the higher end peaks. Mainly because they occurred at different points on the response curve than the 22mm tweeter in the car component SR Series.

    They used the SR Series crossover because the LCiRTS/LSi crossovers were not ready in time for show time.

    The SR Series was, hands down, one of the best component systems ever put out on the car audio market. You don't see them come up used very often and when they do, people still want $400-$500 for them. They were $600-$700 new. You needed to upgrade to stuff like Focal Utopia to be able to at least match if not beat the performance from the SR Series. Especially when matched with one of the SR Series subs.
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 16,282
    The SR series was $900 new. I've owned a few pair over the years and they were nice - very nice. I still have an SR104 in the garage.
  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 1,335
    ^^^^^ Doc; Thank you for that khorn link; I'll have to go through it when I have a bit more time to digest it all
  • mantismantis Posts: 15,447
    I don't like the looks of these new models based off these pictures. Nothing says come listen to me.
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  • SIHABSIHAB Posts: 1,578
    nothing is gonna sound good that way.

    "As an aside, the pic of the Lsim woofer (left) and the Elac woofer (right)"

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  • SIHABSIHAB Posts: 1,578
    off topic Doc, but have you tried YOUR speakers in/or near the corner?
    mhardy6647 wrote: »

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 23,564
    No, actually -- I was 'going to' run them that way, but they'd be too far apart, I think, so I went with the "Cardas" golden ratio positioning (more or less, sort of). :)
    http://www.cardas.com/room_setup_main.php

    I do get tempted, but I'd have to move so much junk (including the pair of Altec Santiagos that actually are in the corners) that that notion has always died aborning.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 31,648
    4k is the retail ? Hmmm....what was retail when the LSIM's came out ? What are they selling for now. Wait a couple years and you'll get these half off at a friends and family sale. Use the other 2k for a kick arse tubed pre amp. :)

    Or one can always take that 2k and put it on the no pass line at the crap table in Vegas.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 7,279
    edited August 16
    Looks like these were the L600 (tower) and L100 (small bookshelf) and L200 (large bookshelf). This potentially leaves a couple other spots in the lineup. Maybe there will be a larger "SDA-style" tower as the top model in the line.
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  • halenhalen Posts: 494
    tonyb wrote: »
    4k is the retail ? Hmmm....what was retail when the LSIM's came out ? What are they selling for now. Wait a couple years and you'll get these half off at a friends and family sale. Use the other 2k for a kick arse tubed pre amp. :)

    Or one can always take that 2k and put it on the no pass line at the crap table in Vegas.

    Is that the going price?
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 43,091
    edited August 16
    The prices have not been announced.
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  • NightfallNightfall Posts: 8,627
    I have a feeling the price is what Jesse has been alluding to. They will be very reasonable, I suspect.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

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  • halenhalen Posts: 494
    Thanks guys.

    Regardless of how it looks, if it takes the L series to another level I am in.

    Just something about Polk’s. I may not be a fan of the individual components but I am a fan of how it fits together.

    Cheers.
  • gyosagyosa Posts: 267
    edited August 16
    I just wish Polk would delve back into the realm of high end, made in America speakers again , like the SDA’s .....
    Instead of Best Buy and Fry’s stuff .....
    That is why my 1c’s will never leave my possession
    These look like they’re made in China ...
    They look cheesy ....
    Too much “bling” ......

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