New Polk Audio "Legend" Speaker Series shown at 2019 Hong Kong High End Audio Video Show

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,670
    edited September 2019
    I'm sorry, the L100 lacks bass and therefore a fullness to the sound. The L200 is a much better speaker.

    The author is incorrect about the low end, he quoted the overall. The -3dB is 57Hz.
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  • verbverb Posts: 10,185
    Glad you chimed in on this Jesse. I read the review and was a bit surprised by the comments regarding the L100 bass performance.
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  • skrolskrol Posts: 2,901
    I know that one usually does not think of sub-woofers as legends, at least as far as legendary Polks, but I am wondering if there will eventually be a "Legend" sub to pair with the L100 or L200.
    Stan

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  • VR3VR3 Posts: 23,866
    Polk has historically stayed away from high end subwoofers. There are so many options in that space, I don't see them trying to compete
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  • tonybtonyb Posts: 32,451
    VR3 wrote: »
    Polk has historically stayed away from high end subwoofers. There are so many options in that space, I don't see them trying to compete

    I dunno Trey, they have to round it out and include a sub, HT is still a big part of their product line. Sig series has it's own sub, I see no reason why they would not make one for the legend series.

    Granted, other brands are kicking rear end in the sub dept.,like you said, but that hasn't stopped Polk from putting out new subs in the past. Some people just like to keep everything brand specific.
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  • skrolskrol Posts: 2,901
    The brand specific thing is what I was thinking too.
    Stan

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    HT:
    Marantz SR7010, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW10 (DXi104 upgrade), Marantz UD5005, Pioneer PL-530, Panasonic TC-P42S60

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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,738
    tonyb wrote: »
    VR3 wrote: »
    Polk has historically stayed away from high end subwoofers. There are so many options in that space, I don't see them trying to compete

    I dunno Trey, they have to round it out and include a sub, HT is still a big part of their product line. Sig series has it's own sub, I see no reason why they would not make one for the legend series.

    Granted, other brands are kicking rear end in the sub dept.,like you said, but that hasn't stopped Polk from putting out new subs in the past. Some people just like to keep everything brand specific.

    They would need to try very hard to best my REL...
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  • PSOVLSKPSOVLSK Posts: 4,267

    They would need to try very hard to best my REL...

    And my SVS Plus/2.
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  • tratlifftratliff Posts: 1,046
    edited September 2019
    I will be very interested in hearing and seeing how the Legends would integrate with my pair of REL Carbons. It has been eye opening with my Legacy’s but the idea of combining with SDA technology has really been top of mind lately.
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 22,738
    My REL S5 blends so seamlessly with my 1.2TL’s that I don’t even know it’s there.
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  • WLDockWLDock Posts: 2,749
    edited September 2019
    On Man....the two ported 10's have a 3dB down point at 32Hz. A sub to mate up with this set will have to bring it! Anything less than a ported 15" (with their already effective Power Port) driven by 1000-2000 watts of ICEpower and built in DSP just won't get it done. I'm sure they would ask $2000-$3000 for such a sub given the microPRO 4000 was $1700 waay back when.. The SVS PB16 should be the target and hopefully they have a couple in their R&D lab for testing as well as all of the ID subs out there.

    So, IMO if they don't have plans to offer a sub to mate up with the flagship as well as 10"-12" options then they should stay out of that game. Give them a year... If nothing within that time frame, I doubt they will jump in. The same goes for a surround option...and maybe one with ATMOS Enabled or maybe even wall and ceiling mount height speakers. Give them a year.
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  • The legend 800 really awesome speakers. The below is my setup, within the apart distance of 2.4m, MLP at 3.3m and angle of more than 20 degree. It's really really awesome sounding

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,568
    edited January 1
    I apologize for posting this here but it seemed a little too second-hand to post in the L200 demo reviews thread. Still, I reckon this may be of interest to at least some of you us -- who are interested in correlating what one hears with what one may quantify*. Note that correlation doesn't imply causation** :)and I am not pretending that this poster is an expert in measuring loudspeaker response.

    Still, it is interesting to see some data, questionable though its provenance may be.

    https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/polk-legend-l200-on-and-off-axis-measurements-preliminary.10098/

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    ... I still wanna see the impedance and phase curves for the L200 :)

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    * Of course, just because one may measure something doesn't mean it's audibly important (and vice versa) and just because someone can push a button and measure something doesn't mean he/she/they are doing it correctly, much less meaningfully. :p

    ** https://xkcd.com/552/
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,568
    edited January 1
    It's interesting, to me, that the person who did those measurements ascribed a slight forwardness he/she/they hear in the L200 in their room to that little 3k to 4k bump in the (on axis) response.

    FWIW, I didn't find then at all forward, but, then again, I am used to Altec-style midrange :*

    The 'review' also mentioned a 550 Hz resonance that was particularly noticeable off-axis. I'll admit I didn't do much deliberate off-axis listening when we demo'd the L200, but I didn't notice anything funny that might be expected from a 550 Hz resonance. It will be recalled that concert "A" (A4) is 440 Hz; 550 Hz is reasonably close to "C5-sharp" (aka "D5-flat"), so kinda in the middle of the piano's (fundamental) range (just a bit more than an octave above 'middle C').

    https://pages.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreqs.html

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    source: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Piano/Reading_Music
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 25,568
    edited January 1
    So -- some chatter at ASR (yes... :p ) and elsewhere got me to thinking about "SDA".
    Fueled by three large cups of coffee and a bit sleep depraved deprived :) I came up with the following, not terribly thought out, Gedankenexperiment.

    Suppose you had two (human -- or AI, if need be) violinists of equal ability and equipped with equivalent violins. Position those two violins in the positions normally occupied by a pair of properly set up L800s and take a seat in the proper listening position (with or without a beanie equipped with proper measuring equipment!)

    Ask both violinists (politely, of course) to play the same thing at the same time. Could be a piece of music, or a single note. The latter might be more amenable to analysis :)

    Listen to the result.

    Seems to me this would be a reasonable approximation of two point sources similar to two stereo loudspeakers. The "signal" would be, in essence, mono... but the effects of crosstalk between the two sources (I would think) would be quite evident to a human listener with two ears in the traditional configuration :) I suspect there'd be some noticeable weirdness if the two musicians/violins were playing the same note!

    Not sure what further 'testability' this model would have, but I thought it would be fun and interesting to try.

    B)

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    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereophonic_sound
    (not quite the right illustration but you get the point :) )

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  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 44,670
    No more coffee for you.
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