New Polk Audio "Legend" Speaker Series shown at 2019 Hong Kong High End Audio Video Show

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  • motorhead43026
    motorhead43026 Posts: 3,892
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    ^^ no way I would, too many vintage out there to be had.
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    Other; M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All vintage Polk have had crossover rebuilds and tweeter upgrades.

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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
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    halen wrote: »
    And exactly how many here, would buy high end, modern SDA speakers? Much of the same was stated in regards to LSIM at only $4,000 and look how that turned out.

    Thank you! Many of you talk the talk, but are not truly willing to put your money where your mouths are, as evidenced by Motorhead's statement. Don't be hypocrites!

    Polk has always marketed itself as a company that makes good quality products that everyone in every catagory can afford. And it's true which is why they are still in business. In other words they have kept up with the times while some of you are still bitching and moaning about how it was in the past...get over it already times have changed.

    In times past if you wanted audio gear, you had to go to an audio store to get it, but as what usually happens, the bigger stores wanted in on the action and so they started getting that same gear in their stores, people went there to get them and usually at better prices while the higher priced stuff stayed in the audio stores.

    Now the vast majority of the audio stores are long gone and have been for decades, more people are buying direct from the companies that have good reputations online, of which Polk is one of them.

    You tell me where Loren would put a pair of SDA's in his living room, providing his wife didn't toss him and his speakers out onto the street! This is how they are designing homes now, small rooms, lots of windows, a fireplace where a HT should go but can't because of said fireplace.

    People if they are even interested, need compact, small footprint speakers that look like they belong, or at least don't stand out like big, ugly, thumbs.

    If you want to continually live in the past, do so, but stop blaming Polk for keeping up with the ever changing market who are NOT interested in big, fugly, overly expensive speakers, that they have no room to put them.

    Polk is doing what they have to in order to provide the majority of us with well made, good looking, terrific sounding speakers that can fit just about anywhere we want them to.

    If the new line looks similiar to the Signature series, that should tell you something. It tells me, that it is a successful line that is doing very well both in Europe and here in the states.

    Rock on Polk, and good luck with your new line, that the majority of the whiners on here won't buy new anyway because they are too cheap to spend the money.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,062
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    cfrizz wrote: »
    halen wrote: »
    And exactly how many here, would buy high end, modern SDA speakers? Much of the same was stated in regards to LSIM at only $4,000 and look how that turned out.

    Thank you! Many of you talk the talk, but are not truly willing to put your money where your mouths are, as evidenced by Motorhead's statement. Don't be hypocrites!

    Polk has always marketed itself as a company that makes good quality products that everyone in every catagory can afford. And it's true which is why they are still in business. In other words they have kept up with the times while some of you are still bitching and moaning about how it was in the past...get over it already times have changed.

    In times past if you wanted audio gear, you had to go to an audio store to get it, but as what usually happens, the bigger stores wanted in on the action and so they started getting that same gear in their stores, people went there to get them and usually at better prices while the higher priced stuff stayed in the audio stores.

    Now the vast majority of the audio stores are long gone and have been for decades, more people are buying direct from the companies that have good reputations online, of which Polk is one of them.

    You tell me where Loren would put a pair of SDA's in his living room, providing his wife didn't toss him and his speakers out onto the street! This is how they are designing homes now, small rooms, lots of windows, a fireplace where a HT should go but can't because of said fireplace.

    People if they are even interested, need compact, small footprint speakers that look like they belong, or at least don't stand out like big, ugly, thumbs.

    If you want to continually live in the past, do so, but stop blaming Polk for keeping up with the ever changing market who are NOT interested in big, fugly, overly expensive speakers, that they have no room to put them.

    Polk is doing what they have to in order to provide the majority of us with well made, good looking, terrific sounding speakers that can fit just about anywhere we want them to.

    If the new line looks similiar to the Signature series, that should tell you something. It tells me, that it is a successful line that is doing very well both in Europe and here in the states.

    Rock on Polk, and good luck with your new line, that the majority of the whiners on here won't buy new anyway because they are too cheap to spend the money.

    Not a clue
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  • halen
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    Rare few moments I post sober, before 5 pm.. and F1 responds before midnight as well. What is a white walker doing posting at this time, F1? Maybe the stars lined up.

    Anyhow. I hear Motörhead is really good looking. That beast of beauty him. I am honored.
  • motorhead43026
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    I hear Motörhead is really good looking. That beast of beauty him. I am honored.

    So true. even K_M would swoon over me.

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    Other; M10 series II, M7C's, Hafler XL600 amp, RB-980BX, Parasound HCA-1500 amp , P5 preamp, all in storage. All vintage Polk have had crossover rebuilds and tweeter upgrades.

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  • nooshinjohn
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    I hear Motörhead is really good looking. That beast of beauty him. I am honored.

    So true. even K_M would swoon over me.

    I am weak in the knees over you and I don’t even swing that way....

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  • F1nut
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    Oh boy
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,062
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    If you want to continually live in the past, do so, but stop blaming Polk for keeping up with the ever changing market who are NOT interested in big, fugly, overly expensive speakers, that they have no room to put them.

    A small sampling of recently reintroduced to the marketplace.....big speakers from the past.

    oqv0vki3xo2a.jpg

    8o73mdsozeju.png

    888fgflkodmi.jpg



    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


    President of Club Polk

  • marvda1
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    cfrizz wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    So... it's not my place to be doing legal research for, umm, Sound United :* but the post by @vcwatkins got me to thinkin' about the Legend moniker.

    There's this other loudspeaker manufacturer who refers (or, at least, referred) to their brand as A Legend in Sound. :|

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    They even have had a Legend Series of loudspeakers.

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    Is there any trademark infringement issue kind of thing goin' on, here?

    Just... you know... musing.

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    I muse, therefore I am.

    I don't see a problem Mark. Legend is a common word as is Monster, as is Reference. Now if they had duplicated "Legend in Sound", then there would be a problem.

    Unless you are illiterate, You should know the difference between Polk Legend and Klipsch Legend.

    Monster is a common word but that didn't stop monster from starting legal proceedings against anyone who used the term.
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  • xsmi
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    F1nut wrote: »
    If you want to continually live in the past, do so, but stop blaming Polk for keeping up with the ever changing market who are NOT interested in big, fugly, overly expensive speakers, that they have no room to put them.

    A small sampling of recently reintroduced to the marketplace.....big speakers from the past.

    oqv0vki3xo2a.jpg

    8o73mdsozeju.png

    888fgflkodmi.jpg



    Where the HECK are my SDA's then? LOL
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  • cfrizz
    cfrizz Posts: 13,415
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    marvda1 wrote: »
    cfrizz wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    So... it's not my place to be doing legal research for, umm, Sound United :* but the post by @vcwatkins got me to thinkin' about the Legend moniker.

    There's this other loudspeaker manufacturer who refers (or, at least, referred) to their brand as A Legend in Sound. :|

    zw9d9oal9y1p.png


    They even have had a Legend Series of loudspeakers.

    02sk2hx40zrw.png


    Is there any trademark infringement issue kind of thing goin' on, here?

    Just... you know... musing.

    5m07f8cww5ym.png

    I muse, therefore I am.

    I don't see a problem Mark. Legend is a common word as is Monster, as is Reference. Now if they had duplicated "Legend in Sound", then there would be a problem.

    Unless you are illiterate, You should know the difference between Polk Legend and Klipsch Legend.

    Monster is a common word but that didn't stop monster from starting legal proceedings against anyone who used the term.

    True, but thanks to the wonder that is the internet, most now know that the owner is a sue happy jerk that should be avoided like the plague. You can now get all kinds of wires in all stores and online that are better made and better priced.
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  • pitdogg2
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    cfrizz wrote: »

    True, but thanks to the wonder that is the internet, most now know that the owner is a sue happy jerk that should be avoided like the plague. You can now get all kinds of wires in all stores and online that are better made and better priced.

    True and he like Circuit City, Blockbuster, Kodak and a multitude of others who didn't keep being innovative will go bye bye. Most of his gear is now regulated to Home Depot, Menards and other building material stores at rock bottom prices. Like many other companies who are living day to day on their past in name only, soon that very same name will be bought like Acoustic Research and just put on generic products that no one even cares about and sold at the point of sale counter at the local gas stations and quickie marts.

  • gudnoyez
    gudnoyez Posts: 8,080
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    All I know is the SDA's are sounding real sweet right now not even interested in anything new.
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  • Nightfall
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    I feel like I'm always interested in something new.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • halen
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    I hear Motörhead is really good looking. That beast of beauty him. I am honored.

    So true. even K_M would swoon over me.

    It is well past 5 now. Is K underscore M a modern version of KY Jelly or something?

    No offense to anyone, I don’t know how to use them smiley emoji faces.

  • BlueFox
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    halen wrote: »
    I hear Motörhead is really good looking. That beast of beauty him. I am honored.

    So true. even K_M would swoon over me.

    No offense to anyone, I don’t know how to use them smiley emoji faces.

    Just type a colon ‘:’ and right brace ‘)’ without a space. :)

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  • joecoulson
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    halen wrote: »

    It is well past 5 now. Is K underscore M a modern version of KY Jelly or something?

    Slightly more abrasive IMO
  • Nightfall
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    halen wrote: »
    I hear Motörhead is really good looking. That beast of beauty him. I am honored.

    So true. even K_M would swoon over me.

    It is well past 5 now. Is K underscore M a modern version of KY Jelly or something?

    No offense to anyone, I don’t know how to use them smiley emoji faces.

    No. KY is pleasurable.
    afterburnt wrote: »
    They didn't speak a word of English, they were from South Carolina.

    Village Idiot of Club Polk
  • halen
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    halen wrote: »
    I hear Motörhead is really good looking. That beast of beauty him. I am honored.

    So true. even K_M would swoon over me.

    No offense to anyone, I don’t know how to use them smiley emoji faces.

    Just type a colon ‘:’ and right brace ‘)’ without a space. :)

    Weren’t you the Python guy for Salesforce? Hehe. Gawd I felt like country boy when I saw their crazy buildings.

    Colon and right brace

    Did it work? The emoji?
  • BlueFox
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    Sorry. I was just trying to help. I didn’t mean to confuse you.
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  • gyosa
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    F1nut wrote: »
    If you want to continually live in the past, do so, but stop blaming Polk for keeping up with the ever changing market who are NOT interested in big, fugly, overly expensive speakers, that they have no room to put them.

    A small sampling of recently reintroduced to the marketplace.....big speakers from the past.

    oqv0vki3xo2a.jpg

    8o73mdsozeju.png

    888fgflkodmi.jpg


    F1nut wrote: »
    If you want to continually live in the past, do so, but stop blaming Polk for keeping up with the ever changing market who are NOT interested in big, fugly, overly expensive speakers, that they have no room to put them.

    A small sampling of recently reintroduced to the marketplace.....big speakers from the past.

    oqv0vki3xo2a.jpg

    8o73mdsozeju.png

    888fgflkodmi.jpg



    PS Audio S300 , Yamaha wxc-50 , Salk SuperCharged Songtowers , Kimber Kable 4TC, Sony 42” - BEDROOM

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  • gyosa
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    I rest my case ....
    Bring back modern SDA’s ...

    Bk

    F1nut wrote: »
    If you want to continually live in the past, do so, but stop blaming Polk for keeping up with the ever changing market who are NOT interested in big, fugly, overly expensive speakers, that they have no room to put them.

    A small sampling of recently reintroduced to the marketplace.....big speakers from the past.

    oqv0vki3xo2a.jpg

    8o73mdsozeju.png

    888fgflkodmi.jpg



    PS Audio S300 , Yamaha wxc-50 , Salk SuperCharged Songtowers , Kimber Kable 4TC, Sony 42” - BEDROOM

    B&K EX-442 ( it will go in my casket when I die ... ) , PS Audio 4.6 preamp ( old school , but it still jams on ... ) , Eversolo DMP-A6 , Boston Acoustic voyager 7’s - POOL

    Parasound A21, Eversolo DMP-A8 , Kimber Kable 4vs , Ascend Acoustics ELX Ribbon Towers , Sony XBR-A8F 65” OLED - DEN , MAIN system

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  • halen
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    I ever say my favorite number is e?

    Okay I can’t deviate more. I look forward to these new Polks.

    Cheers.
  • BlueFox
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    gyosa wrote: »
    I rest my case ....
    Bring back modern SDA’s ...

    Bk

    Other than wasting space by reposting pictures, what case did you make?
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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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  • BlueFox
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    ...
    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD; Pass XP-22 pre; X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers; SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on source, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • cfrizz
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    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    cfrizz wrote: »

    True, but thanks to the wonder that is the internet, most now know that the owner is a sue happy jerk that should be avoided like the plague. You can now get all kinds of wires in all stores and online that are better made and better priced.

    True and he like Circuit City, Blockbuster, Kodak and a multitude of others who didn't keep being innovative will go bye bye. Most of his gear is now regulated to Home Depot, Menards and other building material stores at rock bottom prices. Like many other companies who are living day to day on their past in name only, soon that very same name will be bought like Acoustic Research and just put on generic products that no one even cares about and sold at the point of sale counter at the local gas stations and quickie marts.

    Really? That's great, I didn't know that justice prevailed! The bigger they come the harder they fall. And it couldn't have happened to a bigger more arrogant jerk!
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 24,906
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    cfrizz wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    cfrizz wrote: »

    True, but thanks to the wonder that is the internet, most now know that the owner is a sue happy jerk that should be avoided like the plague. You can now get all kinds of wires in all stores and online that are better made and better priced.

    True and he like Circuit City, Blockbuster, Kodak and a multitude of others who didn't keep being innovative will go bye bye. Most of his gear is now regulated to Home Depot, Menards and other building material stores at rock bottom prices. Like many other companies who are living day to day on their past in name only, soon that very same name will be bought like Acoustic Research and just put on generic products that no one even cares about and sold at the point of sale counter at the local gas stations and quickie marts.

    Really? That's great, I didn't know that justice prevailed! The bigger they come the harder they fall. And it couldn't have happened to a bigger more arrogant jerk!

    Ask anybody born in the 90's to today about the name Monster. I'll bet a good amount of money 97% will come back with Monster energy drink. That is what the name Monster evokes today.

    Yes we can agree he slit his own throat with his huge narcissistic ego couldn't happen to a better person.
  • pitdogg2
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    that was never in question Derek
  • Toolfan66
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    If Polk were to reintroduce SDA’s the quality would have to outdo anything they have ever built to make a big splash, especially with it’s SDA fan base, also I think having Mathew involved to some degree would be huge and exciting for everyone involved.. I personally think it’s fair to say none of this will ever happen, us as a community have taken SDA’s further up the ladder than Polk would ever be willing to invest in...

    Just my .02...
  • EndersShadow
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    Did you guys know that Monster lost their arse on beats audio headphones? That they were originally sold as Beats by Monster but his son signed a contract without reading it and they lost their patent, research, production and rights to the name super fast....

    Fun story of one **** **** over another SMARTER ****.

    Google it.
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