Best speaker wire

I have a set of SDA 1c's which I bought new in 1987. Did a rebuild on them in 2010. They are driven by my Hafler DH220 power amp which puts out 115 watts per channel. Everything sounds very nice. My question is, they have been hooked up with Monster Cables all of these years, should these cables be up graded? Any great DIY ideas out there that you would recomend? Is there any reason why I should, or should not change them? Thanks! Gary
Hafler DH220 Power amp Recapped
Hafler DH110 Preamp Recapped
Hafler Digital FM Tuner
Virtue Audio M1 Piano CD Player
Technics SL-1210-MK5 with a Rega Exact Cartridge
Polk SDA1c's(Rebuilt XO's by Ben) RDO194 Tweeters
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  • rpf65
    rpf65 Posts: 2,127
    Yes, you should change them. Lots of better choices out there.
  • halo
    halo Posts: 5,614
    gdphoto wrote: »
    I have a set of SDA 1c's which I bought new in 1987. Did a rebuild on them in 2010. They are driven by my Hafler DH220 power amp which puts out 115 watts per channel. Everything sounds very nice. My question is, they have been hooked up with Monster Cables all of these years, should these cables be up graded? Any great DIY ideas out there that you would recomend? Is there any reason why I should, or should not change them? Thanks! Gary

    If you know anyone from whom you can borrow different brands of speaker cables that would be ideal. In that situation, you can try before you buy, so to speak. Cables lend a degree of synergy to a system as a whole and cables that sound good to you are not always going to be what sounds good to someone else. Let your ears be the judge. Also, what is your budget and how many feet do you need? Do you prefer banana connectors or spades?

    Douglas Connections offers discounts to Polk Forum members, as does Signal Cable. Just be sure to mention that you are a member of the forum when you place your order.

    Audioquest cables are available from Audio Advisor at deep discounts:

    Type 4, Type 8, Rocket 33, Rocket 88.

    I don't own SDA speakers but those on the forum that do have reported excellent results with MIT speaker cables. Best prices are from Joe Abrams on Audiogon as he is an authorized retailer.

    You can always look to Audiogon, your local Craigslist, eBay, HiFi Shark, or USAudioMart for good deals on used cables as well.

    Hope that helps and good luck :)
  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 45,637
    gdphoto wrote: »
    I have a set of SDA 1c's which I bought new in 1987. Did a rebuild on them in 2010. They are driven by my Hafler DH220 power amp which puts out 115 watts per channel. Everything sounds very nice. My question is, they have been hooked up with Monster Cables all of these years, should these cables be up graded? Any great DIY ideas out there that you would recomend? Is there any reason why I should, or should not change them? Thanks! Gary

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 24,139
    Monster is terrible cable.

    On a budget check out Douglas Connections as Halo pointed out.

    To wake up the system and have it sound correct. MIT cables from Joe Abrams.

    Cables matter.....everything matters.

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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,419
    One of my favorites that I replaced MIT shotguns with was the DH Labs Q10. Fantastic wire

    Currently sporting the supra Quadrax, which I am fond of. I would do Q10, but just don't want to plunk down 30 bucks a foot
    - Not Tom

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  • joecoulson
    joecoulson Posts: 4,944
    I used to run DH T14 with my Totems and it’s was very detailed.
  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 1,934
    VR3 wrote: »
    One of my favorites that I replaced MIT shotguns with was the DH Labs Q10. Fantastic wire

    Currently sporting the supra Quadrax, which I am fond of. I would do Q10, but just don't want to plunk down 30 bucks a foot
    Only $22.50 here! https://www.ebay.com/itm/DH-Labs-Silver-Sonic-Q-10-Signature-Speaker-Cable-sold-by-the-Foot-DIY/360331643024
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    or here.
    https://www.moon-audio.com/dh-labs-q-10-bulk-speaker-cable.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIm_6UiJqg3wIVjLbACh3FZg5lEAQYBCABEgLnSfD_BwE&ad=303026047368


    Actually thanks Trey looking into this stuff I seen their site and the hook up wire I'll think about for my 2.3TL's when I re-wire them. OCC and silver coated..woohoo
  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 24,419
    edited December 2018
    T14 is nice but has absolutely nothing on the Q10.

    Q10 is some of the best wire on the market, imo

    Side note, the air matrix interconnects are also incredible
    - Not Tom

    "No, that's silly talk. Dude, you can't possibly be this audio dumb so quit the act." - Doro
  • jdjohn
    jdjohn Posts: 1,934
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Actually thanks Trey looking into this stuff I seen their site and the hook up wire I'll think about for my 2.3TL's when I re-wire them. OCC and silver coated..woohoo
    If you're talking about re-wiring the internals, you might check-out this eBay seller's stuff: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=37221-2575&_sargn=-1&saslc=1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=&LH_SpecificSeller=1&_saslop=1&_sasl=navships&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_fosrp=1 He's got all manner of silver-coated wire...looks to be military and NASA surplus.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 14,294
    'Best' is, most likely, out of the poster's price range. However, a really good inexpensive cable is the Shunyata Venom speaker cables. I have them in my Home Theater/spare stereo, and they sound great.

    https://shunyata.com/products/speaker-cables/venom-sp/

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    edited December 2018
    jdjohn wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Actually thanks Trey looking into this stuff I seen their site and the hook up wire I'll think about for my 2.3TL's when I re-wire them. OCC and silver coated..woohoo
    If you're talking about re-wiring the internals, you might check-out this eBay seller's stuff: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=37221-2575&_sargn=-1&saslc=1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=&LH_SpecificSeller=1&_saslop=1&_sasl=navships&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_fosrp=1 He's got all manner of silver-coated wire...looks to be military and NASA surplus.


    I've used this guy a bunch for other projects, good wire but not always the gauge he states in his ad's. My last purchase was listed as 16ga. yet it was only 16ga with the PTFE insulation. Without the insulation it was much closer to 20ga. I also found out where he actually purchases wire from.


    DSkip wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    or here.
    https://www.moon-audio.com/dh-labs-q-10-bulk-speaker-cable.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google_shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIm_6UiJqg3wIVjLbACh3FZg5lEAQYBCABEgLnSfD_BwE&ad=303026047368





    Actually thanks Trey looking into this stuff I seen their site and the hook up wire I'll think about for my 2.3TL's when I re-wire them. OCC and silver coated..woohoo

    I’d strongly suggest the Wireworld Helicon OCC if you are talking about internal wiring.

    Yes I am talking internal. we've talked yet unless the price has decreased the above DQ I'm looking at is OCC and silver coated 14ga. also no need to buy special strippers that I may never use again. No disrespect intended Skip I have not made a final decision but this does look pretty good. My final wire installation will be hard wired and from what I have heard from others WW insulation is very heat sensitive so crimping and soldering quick connects may affect insulation more than I'd like.

  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,616
    An interesting question and post.
    We have used Monster Cable on a few speakers over the years (the thick clear one from maybe the early 90's...) but never found their sound to be audibly compromised in any way that was immediately heard.

    We have also used, generic cable, Belden and Blue Jeans, monoprice, and a few other names that escape me.
    But at the same time, never used thin cable nor anything more than 10 foot long.

    What traits did the monster cable display, good or bad?
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    In my experience Kelly most of the clear jacket stuff monster or not several years on you get green sticky corrosion from the jacket onto/into the wire strands. Somehow the jacket and wire have an adverse reaction to each other. Myself I've had this not only happen at the ends but in the middle of a run. I've cut them open and the wire was incredible sticky green from corrosion completely through the copper.
  • vcwatkins
    vcwatkins Posts: 1,993
    Mine grew garish green grunge over the whole length from '94 to maybe '05. I had no idea that the sound had degraded until I switched out to ordinary but new 16g wire. Huge difference. Haven't gone anywhere close to Monster since.
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  • gmcman
    gmcman Posts: 1,614
    My first experience with upgraded cables started with replacing the white Monster XP with AQ Crystal somewhere around 1999-2000. Made a believer out of me right away.
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,616
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    In my experience Kelly most of the clear jacket stuff monster or not several years on you get green sticky corrosion from the jacket onto/into the wire strands. Somehow the jacket and wire have an adverse reaction to each other. Myself I've had this not only happen at the ends but in the middle of a run. I've cut them open and the wire was incredible sticky green from corrosion completely through the copper.

    Okay interesting. After looking at ours, I see no evidence of any discoloration at all. I have seen what you describe though on some other wire ( no idea which at the moment) but know what you speak of.

    I just checked ours out....but now thinking it may be a very late 80's Monster cable, not sure if that matters or we just had good luck somehow?
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    edited December 2018
    making your own is always fun. Douglas connection is a good step up reach out and mention you're a member here and he'll treat you right.
    HCM audio I believe still sells bulk or terminated Audioquest and maybe some others.

    https://hcmaudio.com/

    I have used and like Canare 4s11 cable pretty nice for the dollars.

    http://store.haveinc.com/default.aspx

    I've dealt with them a bunch just search for Canare 4s11 it will come up with a bunch just look for raw/bulk one of them will be on the page

    Frank at signal cable is another who used to give a small discount for Polk audio members he has nice cables as well.

    Some pretty good options here on the page

    reach out to Dskip as well he could set you up with some bulk wireworld stuff.

  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,616
    edited December 2018
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    WARNING-BAD PICTURES AHEAD!
    Post edited by K_M on
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    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
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    Harman Kardon Hk-........
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    K_M wrote: »
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    next time try a radial arm saw geesh

    OUCH! bet that hurt more 3 day later than it did the day of :*
  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,616
    edited December 2018
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    next time try a radial arm saw geesh

    OUCH! bet that hurt more 3 day later than it did the day of :*

    It hurt for a week at least. I feel pain just seeing the pictures. I am literally shaking. But a good excuse to not manicure and paint my nails for a while!

    Listening to my Diana Krall christmas album on the Rti6 now, but from another room. Also sipping rum and coke to relax!
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
    B+W-Sold
    Electro Voice EV-SIX
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
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    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
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    Harman Kardon Hk-........
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    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • verb
    verb Posts: 9,809
    K_M wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    next time try a radial arm saw geesh

    OUCH! bet that hurt more 3 day later than it did the day of :*

    It hurt for a week at least. I feel pain just seeing the pictures. I am literally shaking. But a good excuse to not manicure and paint my nails for a while!

    Dude you should've gave a warning - Do Not Open the Pics! :smile:
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  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    edited December 2018
    verb wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    next time try a radial arm saw geesh

    OUCH! bet that hurt more 3 day later than it did the day of :*

    It hurt for a week at least. I feel pain just seeing the pictures. I am literally shaking. But a good excuse to not manicure and paint my nails for a while!

    Dude you should've gave a warning - Do Not Open the Pics! :smile:

    ummm nope Dudette
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 14,294
    K_M wrote: »
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    Not good at posting pictures either. :)

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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  • K_M
    K_M Posts: 1,616
    edited December 2018
    BlueFox wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    Not good at posting pictures either. :)

    Oh come on..really?
    I thought I did a great job........just have some rum and coke..you will be okay!

    Seriously this is usually the time I drink and watch Live PD and yell at the the people they arrest!
    Lsi15, Lsi9, LsiC,Rta11t,M5jr+,M4, SDA SRS 2.3TL, Rti6....Still listing stuff, a work in progress.
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    Electro Voice EV-SIX
    Infinity-Sold
    Advent-Now gone
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    Yamaha RX-V377
    Yamaha RX-A860
    Yamaha RX-A3060
    Harman Kardon Hk-350i
    Harman Kardon Hk-........
    Harman Kardon PM-665
    Harman Kardon HK-775
    Pioneer.......Stereo Receiver

  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    hmmm maybe bud ;););)
  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 14,294
    edited December 2018
    LOL. If needing a microscope to see it is a ‘great job’ then I would hate to see a poor job. :)

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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • pitdogg2
    pitdogg2 Posts: 18,396
    BlueFox wrote: »
    LOL. If needing a microscope to see it is a ‘great job’ then I would hate to see a poor job. :)

    fo gods sake Bud just click on it I know you know how....
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