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  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,560
    edited December 2018
    LOL. If needing a microscope to see it is a ‘great job’ then I would hate to see a poor job. :)

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    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1 - X1 power supply
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,601
    BlueFox wrote: »
    LOL. If needing a microscope to see it is a ‘great job’ then I would hate to see a poor job. :)

    fo gods sake Bud just click on it I know you know how....
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,560
    I know that. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1 - X1 power supply
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • msgmsg Posts: 4,699
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    K_M wrote: »
    My last venture trying to strip wires....I am not the most coordinated doing this kinda stuff, but I try!

    next time try a radial arm saw geesh

    OUCH! bet that hurt more 3 day later than it did the day of :*

    ACK! Takin' lessons from @voltz?!?
    Man that musta hurt. Definitely cringe-worthy.

    Lol, radial arm saw...
    Seriously though, what were you using, Kelly? You're not supposed to have to swing any chopping tools to strip wire.
    I disabled signatures.
  • jdjohnjdjohn Posts: 641
    Toughen-up, buttercups. I've got pics of my fingertips after a table saw didn't recognize the difference between a piece of wood and my fingers. Not for the faint of heart.
    "Sometimes I do what I want to do. The rest of the time, I do what I have to." - Cicero, in Gladiator
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,264
    I can't quite put my finger on it, but...
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • BlueFoxBlueFox Posts: 10,560
    LOL. Poor blondes. :)
    Bud - Silicon Valley

    Lumin S1 - X1 power supply
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR on preamp, Denali 2000 (2) on amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.
  • HermitismHermitism Posts: 2,264
    K_M, that joke wasn't directed at you. I just felt this thread was deserving of a finger joke or two. The next time I tear my knee, which seems to happen often, you all can pile on the knee jokes!

    Pull my finger...
    2.0/3.0 - Marantz: PM8005 w/HT Bypass, NA8005 | Polk: LSiM703, LSiM706c | PS Audio: Duet, Power Port Classic, PerfectWave AC5 x3 PC | Wireworld Equinox 7 IC | AudioPrism Quietline Mk3 x7 | Sanus UF30 | OC703 Panels

    6.1 - Pioneer Elite SC-05 | Pio BDP-51FD | Polk: RTi8, CSi5, F/Xi3, CSi3 | HSU Research VTF-2 MK4 | PS Audio: Quintet, Power Port Classic | DCF124BW x3 SC | Pangea: AC-9SE x2, 14SE, 14 PC | AQ Chocolate x2 HDMI | M850SW | OC703 Panels
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,780
    Wire is like any other component in your system, has to have synergy with it's playmates.

    "BEST"....is subjective, best in a certain price class may narrow it down some, but still subjective. So really there is no such thing as the best wire, only the wire that fits in your budget , has synergy with it's playmates,and pleases your ears.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,105
    Trooth
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, PS Audio Stellar gain M700 mono blocks, Elac Adante AF-61 towers Black, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with CBS NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables

    5.1: Marantz sr5013 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Linn LK240 mono blocks pair, Totem Rainmakers, Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • gdphotogdphoto Posts: 149
    Thanks everyone! Lots of good information. I am not looking to spend upwards to $600.00 for speaker cables, it would be nice, but not possible for me. I am considering this cable from Cable Matters.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BWS34RU?ref_=pfb_ameflcdd5bgjhe9fbje06l67bgjm&tag=hydfbook0e-20&ascsubtag=pfb-P01-V01-O3-X98-HI-JL0SES&fbclid=IwAR3jMl2zV6Qg-lG7IZeeb0dfzBKSBrCrR3eA6jE4HtD4SW3Kp5AVfT6B0PE. It will give me an 11AWG cable when 2 conductors are combined. I only have an 8 to 10 foot run on
    each side. From what I gather by your comments, this should be an improvement over my 30 year old Monster cables. If you have suggestions for other cables in the lower price range let me know. I am also considering this one. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JZKNSKC/ref=gno_cart_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1N62ANATP10CZ.

    Thanks for your help!
    Hafler DH220 Rebuilt
    Hafler DH110 Rebuilt
    Hafler Digital FM Tuner
    Virtue Audio M1 Piano CD Player
    Technics SL-1210-MK5 with a Rega Exact Cartridge
    Polk SDA1c's(Rebuilt XO's by Ben)
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,601
    gdphoto wrote: »
    If you have suggestions for other cables in the lower price range let me know. I am also considering this one. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JZKNSKC/ref=gno_cart_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1N62ANATP10CZ.

    Thanks for your help!

    If you decide on this go to douglas connection @helipilotdoug who is a very good member here and will treat you right.

    Those Zu that motorhead suggested are another very good option and very very reasonably priced as suggested.

  • FaustinFaustin Posts: 845
    Any thoughts out there on Mogami W3103 bulk wire? Parts Express has it for $3.88 a foot.
  • tonyp063tonyp063 Posts: 564
    I'm also going to suggest Douglas Connection.

    Just made *my* first cable move to them from something similar to what you have & the difference was very noticeable.
  • rpf65rpf65 Posts: 1,975
    Some excellent cable deals on this forum.
  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 7,761
    I think Douglas Connection can give you a better deal on the Furez you are considering and we gives member discounts not to mention a great guy and super straight shooter with tons of knowledge. Go to his website and shoot him an email.
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,780
    gdphoto wrote: »
    Thanks everyone! Lots of good information. I am not looking to spend upwards to $600.00 for speaker cables, it would be nice, but not possible for me. I am considering this cable from Cable Matters.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BWS34RU?ref_=pfb_ameflcdd5bgjhe9fbje06l67bgjm&tag=hydfbook0e-20&ascsubtag=pfb-P01-V01-O3-X98-HI-JL0SES&fbclid=IwAR3jMl2zV6Qg-lG7IZeeb0dfzBKSBrCrR3eA6jE4HtD4SW3Kp5AVfT6B0PE. It will give me an 11AWG cable when 2 conductors are combined. I only have an 8 to 10 foot run on
    each side. From what I gather by your comments, this should be an improvement over my 30 year old Monster cables. If you have suggestions for other cables in the lower price range let me know. I am also considering this one. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JZKNSKC/ref=gno_cart_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1N62ANATP10CZ.

    Thanks for your help!

    Imho....you'd be wasting your money chasing those cables. Why ? Because they aren't much different than what you have already. Maybe slightly better, at best.

    Look for OCC copper cable, Like Wireworld or Acoustic Zen or Analysis Plus cables use. The AP cables in the FM here are a good value. While gauge is important, it's not the only thing to look at.

    Tells us what your looking for, sound wise, in terms of improvement over the sound you have right now and we can better help you.

    Also, don't hesitate to buy used cables. They don't go bad ya know. :) Plus you can get more cable for your buck buying used. Most times half of retail.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • delkaldelkal Posts: 448
    edited December 2018
    halo wrote: »

    Audioquest cables are available from Audio Advisor at deep discounts:

    Type 4,

    Halo already mentioned my pick got the best bang for the buck cable (that you WILL hear a difference on your system). The Audioquest Type 4 "no frills" from Audio Advisor. The Type 4 cable is a classic with 4 strands of solid (OCC?) copper. The design had been kept the same since the 80's because it works. If you like tight, extended, bass this is one of the cables you should try.

    These no frills cables have the same Audioquest wire inside but have plain sheathing and are hand terminated. They don't have the pretty woven sheath and don't look as fancy as the current type 4 that Audioquest sells. But a 10 foot 'no frills' pair runs about $120. The "pretty" cable from Audioquest is about $300.

    Just buying the bare wire costs $6 a foot but you can get these finished cables for basically the same price.

    https://audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQT4NF
  • gdphotogdphoto Posts: 149
    Thanks Tony! My system sounds really good. I rebuilt the amp and preamp back in 2010. Then I upgraded the XO's and tweeters in my SDA 1c's. About 3 years ago I bought a Rega Exact cartridge. All of these moves improved the sound. Recently I made a pair of interconnects using Mogami 20 AWG instrument cable and I swear there's a bit more clarity. This got me thinking about my speaker cables. Like I stated, they are 30 year old 12 AWG Monster cable. I have often read that a lot people don't like Monster cables, so I am thinking this is another area for improvement. Building a pair of quality cables is not a problem, I enjoy haveing a project to keep me out of trouble. I am not looking for to do this as cheep as possible, but I also don't want to unnecessarily over spend. If I were to find a great deal on an existing pair I would certainly concider them.
    Hafler DH220 Rebuilt
    Hafler DH110 Rebuilt
    Hafler Digital FM Tuner
    Virtue Audio M1 Piano CD Player
    Technics SL-1210-MK5 with a Rega Exact Cartridge
    Polk SDA1c's(Rebuilt XO's by Ben)
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,780
    The AQ type 4 cables mentioned above is a good budget cable. With SDA's, MIT works well, and all the brands with OCC copper. Just depends on the level of sound your looking for. Generally speaking, OCC copper is a step up from your regular oxygen free copper. When considering wire with the oxygen free label, especially under 100 or so bucks, you won't find that big a difference sound wise. Some oxygen free copper cables do have some variations, that make them slightly better sounding than others though. There's more to building cables than just slapping connectors on the end of bare wire. If your looking for the minimalist approach though, and on the cheap, that's the way to go then. I have found though, it's better to leave the cable building to people who know what they are doing, can measure things we can't. Trial and error come into play, the brands that sound good to your ears, synergy in your system, and can fit your budget. Buying used cables allows one to experiment more, with little to no loss of coin invested.

    Also consider your interconnects as well as the speaker cables, everything matters in the chain.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 12,601
    FYI Audioquest type 4 is long grain copper. Audioquest best is perfect surface+ copper
    Lots of good wire out there used like said is a good option be patient and keep eye's open
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,735
    I got my AQ Type 4 off CL for $50 for 3 10'. It would take a lot for me to part with them. A tad better than the Doug's Furez.

    Doug's Furez cable is very good. A big step up from the Monoprice it replaced.

    Monoprice 12AWG, Not bad cable. Good for basic systems or people who don't want to spend a lot on cables. Amazon Basics and Cable Matters are all about the same.

    Walmart 14AWG Car audio speaker wire. OK don't laugh here. This is actually some decent wire for the price. It is OFC and works well for someone on a budget.

    Monster stuff, I find this to be #1 way over priced and way over hyped. I replaced mine in the 90's due to it turning green. Hint how I found the Walmart wire.

    Home Depot lamp cord well it just works but for the money see Monoprice

    The above is speaker wire I've used in my HT listed best to worse.



    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    4 Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • F1nutF1nut Posts: 41,261
    mantis wrote: »
    There is only one BEST speaker wire company and that is Audioquest period.

    What a joke.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."


  • joecoulsonjoecoulson Posts: 2,105
    Siltech
    2ch: PS Audio Stellar Gain pre, PS Audio Stellar gain M700 mono blocks, Elac Adante AF-61 towers Black, SVS SB16 Ultra Subwoofer, Cambridge Audio CXN v2, Rega Planar 2 with Canaro 2 subplatter, dual belt pulley and upgraded bearing, Rega Ania MC cart, Vincent PHO 701 Phono pre with CBS NOS 12au7, Audioquest Niagara 1000, AQ Thunder, AQ red river XLR's and Victoria IC's, Wireworld Stratus and Aurora power cables, Atlas EOS power cable, Denon 2910 (as transport) Sony CPD355 Jukebox cd, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables

    5.1: Marantz sr5013 (feeding mains through HT bypass) Sonus Faber solo center, AQ Carbon HDMI's, Sony XBRx900E, Xbox One S as 4k player, Definitive Technology SM350's surrounds, Tivo Bolt, Harmony Elite remote

    Other gear: Linn LK240 mono blocks pair, Totem Rainmakers, Sonos play 5 and play 1's x 2, Audio Technica TT and Edifier active speakers in kids room, JVC XM448 minidisc rack mount, Sony minidisc walkman, Project Debut III (currently not working), Samsung 46, and 2 x32" tvs, Samsung Soundbar, Okki Nokki LP cleaner, Second Harmony remote setup for bedroom, etc etc
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,735
    Everyone has there own opinion.

    AQ Type 4 has been the best speaker I have used. Is there better wire, most likely yes. Can I get 3 sets for $50 like I did off CL, doubt it.

    If someone wants to send me some wire to try I have no problems doing a blind test on my kids. They use my system as much as I do.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    4 Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
  • tonybtonyb Posts: 30,780
    mrloren wrote: »
    Everyone has there own opinion.

    AQ Type 4 has been the best speaker I have used. Is there better wire, most likely yes. Can I get 3 sets for $50 like I did off CL, doubt it.

    If someone wants to send me some wire to try I have no problems doing a blind test on my kids. They use my system as much as I do.

    If your only criteria for wire is cheap, then your spot on. My question to you would be....do you hold the same criteria for your other components ?

    You can get a Pre amp for a 50 too on Craigslist, why spend more ?

    When we start treating cables as a component in our systems, that's when thinks start to click. Too bad some don't see it like that.
    HT SYSTEM-2 channel
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Dynaudio Audience 72
    Polk FX500 surrounds
    Cary xciter dac
    Cullen modded Sonos
    Joule la-100 pre
    B&k Ref 4420 amp

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Analysis plus crystal oval ic's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    B&k 1430
    Tad 803 speakers
  • mrlorenmrloren Posts: 1,735
    tonyb wrote: »
    mrloren wrote: »
    Everyone has there own opinion.

    AQ Type 4 has been the best speaker I have used. Is there better wire, most likely yes. Can I get 3 sets for $50 like I did off CL, doubt it.

    If someone wants to send me some wire to try I have no problems doing a blind test on my kids. They use my system as much as I do.

    If your only criteria for wire is cheap, then your spot on. My question to you would be....do you hold the same criteria for your other components ?

    You can get a Pre amp for a 50 too on Craigslist, why spend more ?

    When we start treating cables as a component in our systems, that's when thinks start to click. Too bad some don't see it like that.

    no and yes. I look for the best deal I can find. Garage sales, CL and estate/divorce sales are a good place to find good deal on good used equipment.

    No I doubt I would buy a $50 pre amp, at that cost it would most likely be junk.

    When I was amp shopping I was checking all the SoCal CL Adds and wound up spending the extra cash for new. I couldn't find anything good in my budget used.
    When I was a kid my parents told me to turn it down. Now I'm an adult and my kids tell me to turn it down.

    Family Room:
    Samsung UN60H,
    Denon AVR-X4400H, Emotiva XPA3 GEN3
    Oppo BDP-93,Sony UBP-X800BM, Sony DVP-NS3100ES, WD Live HUB.
    Main: Polk Signature S60
    Center: Polk CSi-A6
    Front High/Rear High In-Ceiling Polk 80F/X RT
    Surrounds: Polk S15
    Sub: HSU VTF3-MK5

    Bed Room;
    Sony KDF-E42A10,
    Marantz SR5010, BDP-S270
    Main: Polk Signature S20
    Center: Polk Signature S35
    Rear: Polk R15
    Sub: HSU STF-2

    Working Warehouse;
    Sony 2100ES
    4 Polk RTi4 about 15' up the wall
    Old sony 12" Sub
    Mini tower PC with 400GB of music
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