Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2010
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    Oh heck, what's the use. Forget it. edited.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
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    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
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    I guess my reason for posting that is, i am very curious about the real difference between wires but am financially unable to buy cable right now, so if there are any more demos or anything like that, if someone could maybe let me know? I'll also be checking the for sale ads frequently here to see if there are any cheap good cables I can grab. I really want to see for myself before I form an opinion either way.
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited January 2010
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    Here's the demo thread Zitro;

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79365
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2010
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    Unfortunately, I've personally found that experimentation (with different wires between your own specific components in your own specific environment) is really the only way to figure this out.

    And again, unfortunately, that generally takes both time and money.

    It's hard to get a Rolls Royce experience with a Yugo budget, but there are some decent Acura/Lexus cables out there that you may find a deal on if you are persistent.

    Otherwise, work hard, get the degree, land a decent job, work hard, pay off the student loans . . . in a decade or so you will be buying cables.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited January 2010
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    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I've personally found that experimentation (with different wires between your own specific components in your own specific environment) is really the only way to figure this out.

    And again, unfortunately, that generally takes both time and money.

    It's hard to get a Rolls Royce experience with a Yugo budget, but there are some decent Acura/Lexus cables out there that you may find a deal on if you are persistent.

    Otherwise, work hard, get the degree, land a decent job, work hard, pay off the student loans . . . in a decade or so you will be buying cables.

    Jeez you just talked the kid out of it!:D:p
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
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    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Jeez you just talked the kid out of it!:D:p

    Lol no he didn't; I know he's right. Some things do take time, and this is one of them. Having a hobby like this is something you need to work for (as most things are), and right now just isn't practical, with all the expenses with college and what have you. I guess I'm anxious to just dive in to this world of audio, being so exciting and vast. It drives my girlfriend crazy; I can just sit in front of my Polks for hours listening lol. And to think I like this system so much, and it is barely a scratch on the surface. There are so many options, so much to learn! But on the flip side, I do know it takes work and time. That's one of the reasons I like Club Polk; its nice to see all of the people who have worked hard to get to where they are now, and have great systems, maybe even the systems of their dreams. It keeps everything in perspective. I have much respect for those who work hard to get what they want, and from the looks of it, there are quite a few people on these forums who have done just that. It's just hard to be patient when you are so excited about something lol.

    Anyways, cheers to all the Polkies out there who truly love audio and worked hard to earn their equipment and are truly dedicated to the hobby! You are good inspiration for us younger folk ;)
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited January 2010
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    ^^^^^ You gotta love this kid!

    That was the best post in this whole thread.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited January 2010
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    Post #2235 reported btw, lol.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,136
    edited January 2010
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    wutadumsn23 wrote: »
    Post #2235 reported btw, lol.

    -Jeff

    LOL!!! How apropos for this thread!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited January 2010
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    Zitro wrote: »
    It's just hard to be patient when you are so excited about something

    Don't sweat it, you've got a nice system for a 20 year old in college.

    Anyway, forum member DisneyJoe lives in Orlando. Look him up if you want to hear better cables. He might even cast you in one of his **** flicks.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,077
    edited January 2010
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Don't sweat it, you've got a nice system for a 20 year old in college.

    Anyway, forum member DisneyJoe lives in Orlando. Look him up if you want to hear better cables. He might even cast you in one of his **** flicks.


    Hey, he promissed me an audition 6 months ago.... guess I didn't measure up, so to speak.:D
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited January 2010
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    hearingimpared wrote: »
    LOL!!! How apropos for this thread!

    I know, right? I almost felt bad doing it.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,502
    edited January 2010
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Don't sweat it, you've got a nice system for a 20 year old in college.

    Anyway, forum member DisneyJoe lives in Orlando. Look him up if you want to hear better cables. He might even cast you in one of his **** flicks.

    Then he could afford some really nice cables. :D
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,250
    edited January 2010
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    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Then he could afford some really nice cables. :D

    He probably would have to pay them to be in the movie. I would. ;)
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    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2010
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    DJ's standards aint that tough, I mean really, in the next one, lady GAGA and a chicken hawk take a trip on a camel......you can imagine the rest...

    I got an audio system, it has wires.

    RT1
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited January 2010
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    BAAAAAAAA Ted.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited January 2010
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    I thought Factorfiction was a new form of AUDIO mathematics...where you divide the thickness, quality and cost of cables by the wax that has not yet been removed from your ears and you get a number on an audiobility algorithmic index that is the inverse proportion of the wires' length and the lack of grey matter between your ears. This number is then 'verified' by what I call Double blocked studies...(meaning that you can't hear anything from either ear because they're both blocked).

    No..?


    cnh
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Don't sweat it, you've got a nice system for a 20 year old in college.

    Anyway, forum member DisneyJoe lives in Orlando. Look him up if you want to hear better cables. He might even cast you in one of his **** flicks.

    Thanks, but um....can I just do the cable listening part? If I have to do the ****, I get to pick the girl.
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    ^^^^^ You gotta love this kid!

    That was the best post in this whole thread.
    :cool: I'm just glad there are the enthusiasts out there who introduced me to this side of things and saved me from my shelf system days, thinking BOSE was the best lol.
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • mhmacw
    mhmacw Posts: 832
    edited January 2010
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    fact
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
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    What's for sale?
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 52,406
    edited January 2010
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    Zitro wrote: »
    Thanks, but um....can I just do the cable listening part? If I have to do the ****, I get to pick the girl.

    Who said anything about girls?
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 20,365
    edited January 2010
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    Hehe...
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
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    F1nut wrote: »
    Who said anything about girls?

    oh boy...maybe I'll just wait till I can afford some cable lol.
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • LuSh
    LuSh Posts: 887
    edited January 2010
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    The answer is simple: Fact and Fiction yet both or neither.
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2010
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    LuSh wrote: »
    The answer is simple: Fact and Fiction yet both or neither.

    No..
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • headrott
    headrott Posts: 5,496
    edited January 2010
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    ben62670 wrote: »
    I was a non believer. Some can hear, and I believe some can't. If some Polkies didn't have patiences with me I would have missed out on a lot.

    Hmmmm Ben, remindes me of another topic..........Only some have eyes to see and ears to hear (and understand).

    Greg
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    Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
    "I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion." :\
    My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....

    "Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"- Jon Anderson

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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
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    Random, but I figured this simple question wasn't worth starting a whole new thread..anyone have experience with Dayton speaker wire? I came across this, and considering its sold by parts express, I figured some people on here might have experience with it. Anyone used Dayton cable before?

    http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-SCP-6-Speaker-Cable-Bananas/dp/B000Z2PIBE/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_c
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
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    Zitro wrote: »
    Random, but I figured this simple question wasn't worth starting a whole new thread..anyone have experience with Dayton speaker wire? I came across this, and considering its sold by parts express, I figured some people on here might have experience with it. Anyone used Dayton cable before?

    http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-SCP-6-Speaker-Cable-Bananas/dp/B000Z2PIBE/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_c

    I haven't, but i'm sure it's an upgrade over lamp wire. ;)

    You missed out by a couple days, that AR stuff i recommended is no longer available. :( It was cheaper, too.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
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    concealer404 wrote: »
    I haven't, but i'm sure it's an upgrade over lamp wire. ;)

    You missed out by a couple days, that AR stuff i recommended is no longer available. :( It was cheaper, too.

    Ah crap, I had completely forgotten about it...I didn't want to get it before because I needed 2 runs due to the PSW10, but since I am running the Monitor 5jr's with no sub one pair terminated would have worked fine...damn, maybe they (or something similar) will come back soon.
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
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    Zitro wrote: »
    Ah crap, I had completely forgotten about it...I didn't want to get it before because I needed 2 runs due to the PSW10, but since I am running the Monitor 5jr's with no sub one pair terminated would have worked fine...damn, maybe they (or something similar) will come back soon.

    I'll see if i can find them somewhere else for you. How soon are you looking to buy something? I should be getting the rest of my ICs back in the next couple days, and depending on how everything sounds, i may be thinking of going with some higher end speaker cables, and i'd be looking to pass mine along.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
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