Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2010
    X please take a visit to my place. No cost but gas. I'll feed and house you for a weekend. There are at least two that have decent gear and cables. One can cook;)
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited January 2010
    Ben, you are better man than I. I have had it with his thread crapping.

    Good grief, if you don't like high end cables, don't buy them. It's quite simple. Why **** up every thread? He is contrary in almost every post he makes. It's like he strives to be an asshat. For the life of me I cannot understand why he posts here.
    -Kevin
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2010
    I was a non believer. Some can hear, and I believe some can't. If some Polkies didn't have patiences with me I would have missed out on a lot.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited January 2010
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    This thread reminds me of herpes in that is has become the gift that keeps on giving and it always seems to flare up when it is least expected.

    Sorry to hear about your herpes. Maybe they'll find a cure someday.
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  • WilliamM2
    WilliamM2 Posts: 4,775
    edited January 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    What do you believe?

    I'm a Beatles fan, but I believe that John Lennon's solo work absolutely sucked.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2010
    I agree.
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited January 2010
    WilliamM2 wrote: »
    I'm a Beatles fan, but I believe that John Lennon's solo work absolutely sucked.
    dorokusai wrote: »
    I agree.


    That's nice. Who cares?
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    I missed this thread! So, is it fact or fiction?

    Somebody please tell me coz I don't want to read all 74 pages.
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Fiction just like John Nash's imaginary friend "Charles" in the movie "A Beautiful Mind".
    Anything or anyone can become "real" to you, if you really believe it.

    That's right, I said it!
    F1nut wrote: »
    The irony in your proclamation is that you have nothing to say.

    Nothing of any consequence as he by his own admission has no experience with using various cables. He just repeats like a parrot what he reads against cables as gospel.

    xcapri want a cracker? Do trolls even eat crackers?

    Next up he will now put on his best martyr outfit and claim he's been attacked and whine about being called names. So predictable . . . it's a shame.
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  • NJPOLKER
    NJPOLKER Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2010
    Dumb **** come to mind?
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2010
    "Sorry to hear about your herpes. Maybe they'll find a cure someday."

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

    I thought it was syphillis that causes brain deterioration.:confused:
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  • lightman1
    lightman1 Posts: 10,788
    edited January 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    X please take a visit to my place. No cost but gas. I'll feed and house you for a weekend. There are at least two that have decent gear and cables. One can cook;)
    Call me if this happens. I want a ring side seat.
    I'll do the heckeling.:D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2010
    ben62670 wrote: »
    X please take a visit to my place. No cost but gas. I'll feed and house you for a weekend. There are at least two that have decent gear and cables. One can cook;)

    Ben he's not interested in opening his mind, just being a troll. He's been offered to participate int the free MIT cable demo and is not interested.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Do trolls even eat crackers?

    Eventually, this one will eat crow. :D
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Eventually, this one will eat crow. :D

    I believe he already has.;)
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  • bigaudiofanatic
    bigaudiofanatic Posts: 4,415
    edited January 2010
    bigaudiofanatic wrote: »
    I would not mind going and having a listen.

    I think that the thicker the cable the less resistance the signal has to flow to the speaker. But might I say that once you get to the speaker you still have to go threw what the speaker has for wire. I think it ends at 10 gauge wire and maybe something a bit nicer than monster. That is just how I see it.

    Well I am going to disagree with myself. After I got my MIT cables I am now a 100% believer in that cables make a difference.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2010
    I believe Montoya also had the same conclusion.....Freddy?
    CTC BBQ Amplifier, Sonic Frontiers Line3 Pre-Amplifier and Wadia 581 SACD player. Speakers? Always changing but for now, Mission Argonauts I picked up for $50 bucks, mint.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited January 2010
    bigaudiofanatic wrote: »
    Well I am going to disagree with myself. After I got my MIT cables I am now a 100% believer in that cables make a difference.

    +1, just got a chance to audition a set of AQ Type 4's, wow they were nice.

    This thread is still around, lol.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


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    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    Oh hrmmm.... "new posts!!!!" <click>


    AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

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  • basujansa1010
    basujansa1010 Posts: 4
    edited January 2010
    concealer404 wrote: »
    Oh hrmmm.... "new posts!!!!" <click>


    AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

    nice joke man. but i am hurted for gettin that kind of cheat. by the way wish u best of luck for all. it is joke <click>:D
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2010
    basujansa1010 wrote: »
    nice joke man. but i am hurted for gettin that kind of cheat. by the way wish u best of luck for all. it is joke <click>:D

    Thanks man, i really appreciate it!


    PS:

    Get bent.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

    HT: Denon AVR-X3400H / Sony UBP-X700 / RT16 / CS350LS / RT7 / SVS PB1000
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  • TECHNOKID
    TECHNOKID Posts: 4,298
    edited January 2010
    The good old days.... :):rolleyes:;)

    Good things never die!
    DARE TO SOAR:
    “Your attitude, almost always determine your altitude in life” ;)
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    Ben he's not interested in opening his mind, just being a troll. He's been offered to participate int the free MIT cable demo and is not interested.

    H9

    Why don't I ever get offered something like this? I want to be convinced cables make a difference too!

    In all seriousness, I have not heard a real difference in any wire I've used, but then again I haven't been able to use that great of wire at all due to money constraints (being 20 and in college, money doesn't come in droves lol). I'm interested to hear for myself if cables really can make a significant difference, as reading peoples bickering back in forth is rather pointless and not all that educational since there are so many different conflicting opinions. Part of me wonders if the difference between the doubters and the believers is those who have cheaper gear where maybe good wire is inconsequential vs those with higher end gear? Or is it purely psychological? I don't believe in "measuring" sound, so the only real way is to hear. Out of curiosity, I was going to buy a pair of AQ X2 cables (all I can really afford to buy right now) to compare to my cheap monster cable but someone on this forum told me it sounds just like regular home depot cable and not to bother and to hear a real difference I would need something better.
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited January 2010
    Oh heck, what's the use. Forget it. edited.
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    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
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    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
    I guess my reason for posting that is, i am very curious about the real difference between wires but am financially unable to buy cable right now, so if there are any more demos or anything like that, if someone could maybe let me know? I'll also be checking the for sale ads frequently here to see if there are any cheap good cables I can grab. I really want to see for myself before I form an opinion either way.
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    Here's the demo thread Zitro;

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79365
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  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited January 2010
    Unfortunately, I've personally found that experimentation (with different wires between your own specific components in your own specific environment) is really the only way to figure this out.

    And again, unfortunately, that generally takes both time and money.

    It's hard to get a Rolls Royce experience with a Yugo budget, but there are some decent Acura/Lexus cables out there that you may find a deal on if you are persistent.

    Otherwise, work hard, get the degree, land a decent job, work hard, pay off the student loans . . . in a decade or so you will be buying cables.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
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    GIK panels
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    inspiredsports wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I've personally found that experimentation (with different wires between your own specific components in your own specific environment) is really the only way to figure this out.

    And again, unfortunately, that generally takes both time and money.

    It's hard to get a Rolls Royce experience with a Yugo budget, but there are some decent Acura/Lexus cables out there that you may find a deal on if you are persistent.

    Otherwise, work hard, get the degree, land a decent job, work hard, pay off the student loans . . . in a decade or so you will be buying cables.

    Jeez you just talked the kid out of it!:D:p
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  • Zitro
    Zitro Posts: 864
    edited January 2010
    hearingimpared wrote: »
    Jeez you just talked the kid out of it!:D:p

    Lol no he didn't; I know he's right. Some things do take time, and this is one of them. Having a hobby like this is something you need to work for (as most things are), and right now just isn't practical, with all the expenses with college and what have you. I guess I'm anxious to just dive in to this world of audio, being so exciting and vast. It drives my girlfriend crazy; I can just sit in front of my Polks for hours listening lol. And to think I like this system so much, and it is barely a scratch on the surface. There are so many options, so much to learn! But on the flip side, I do know it takes work and time. That's one of the reasons I like Club Polk; its nice to see all of the people who have worked hard to get to where they are now, and have great systems, maybe even the systems of their dreams. It keeps everything in perspective. I have much respect for those who work hard to get what they want, and from the looks of it, there are quite a few people on these forums who have done just that. It's just hard to be patient when you are so excited about something lol.

    Anyways, cheers to all the Polkies out there who truly love audio and worked hard to earn their equipment and are truly dedicated to the hobby! You are good inspiration for us younger folk ;)
    - Jeremy

    Amps: Jolida FX-10, NAD 3045, NAD C320BEE, Sansui G-9700
    Speakers: Polk Monitor 7A's, KEF Reference 104aB
    Sources: ProJect Debut Carbon, Sonos streaming FLAC
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  • hearingimpared
    hearingimpared Posts: 21,137
    edited January 2010
    ^^^^^ You gotta love this kid!

    That was the best post in this whole thread.
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  • wutadumsn23
    wutadumsn23 Posts: 3,702
    edited January 2010
    Post #2235 reported btw, lol.

    -Jeff
    HT Rig
    Receiver- Onkyo TX-SR806
    Mains- Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Center- Polk Audio CS2
    Surrounds- Polk Audio TSi 500's :D
    Sub- Polk Audio PSW125
    Retired- Polk Audio Monitor 40's
    T.V.- 60" Sony SXRD KDS-60A2000 LCoS
    Blu-Ray- 80 GB PS3


    2 CH rig (in progress)
    Polk Audio Monitor 10A's :cool:

    It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.. :D
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