Spearker cables..fact or fiction?

bikezappa wrote: »

It's sad that you won't use you EE background to help people not to buy equipment based on **** science.

There's no fun in that.

However, xcapri79 says he is an EE. Why don't you guys team up and save the world from the Corrupt Conspiratorial Cable Cartel? I'll sell one of my power cables and send you the proceeds to go towards the purchase of your superhero costumes. Honest.

heiney9 wrote: »

HA....HA....HA....HE......HE.....LOL

Cable naysayers are such a funny bunch. I think I'm getting more entertainment in the last 20 or posts than in the beginning. The more absurd the naysaying arguments are the higher the entertainment value. Too bad I'm going out tonight..........I'll catch up later this evening.

I am disappointed at you finding entertainment in ignorance:(
Have fun Bro. Stay safe.
Ben

ben62670 wrote: »

I am disappointed at you finding entertainment in ignorance:(

You're no fun anymore.

Good night Ben.

Don't spend too much time ridin' that Bike and drivin' that old Capri.;)

Good evening all.I also have been out tonight.Just got back and there were 2 pages extra!.DK I really was genuine with my questions.Thank you for your reply but gee wizz already keep it calm!! .I now realize that your speaks have been updated all along.With regards to your hearing I never said it was inferior just maybe different.Again thank you for your reply!.Having consumed a couple of alcoholic toots tonight I can honestly say...this thread still rules .In this plain old boring day of age nothing better than some different opinions.I would say I am 50% convinced.Still I mantain that I can get close too or equal to the same results with home engineering.But hey that's just my take on the situation.KEEP ON TRUCKING YE ALL ;);)
ps I said that DK was meticulous with his replies

polkie4life wrote: »

Now we're talking. What sort of home engineering?

Playing with different cable setups etc.I am not even going to say the word/words .Bottom line is that we are all in the same crazy hobby and the love for music.To each man his own ;);)

bikezappa wrote: »

There is even a rule in science that states that you can never know the exact position and momentum of very small objects because the very act of measuring them distrubs them or changes them. This has no practical relationship to audio that I know of however. It realy states that some part of things are somewhat random and there maybe free will.

Hey, a quantum physics reference, I've been waiting for that one...

DarqueKnight wrote: »

I'm going out tonight also.

But H9 and Ben, would you guys give a little thought to a good name for a crime fighting team that's dedicated to eliminating the Corrupt Conspiratorial Cable Cartel (4C)?

How about Kable Krusher and Sparky?

Well things just pop into my mind. I certainly didn't want to give any title to a troll, but it was just too easy. Well some hero's that have been around for a long time are the Xmen. Well X-Crap was just way too easy. Maybe X-crap can save the word of Higher end audio with some help from other HiFi audio insurgents?
Hope your evening went well.
Ben

RT1 said it best.

What is "our" agenda. Please continue to promote your blatant ignorance.
Polk Audio stays out of cable debates. If you preach that you are a Republican, Christian, or other group you have then just alienated yourself from a large percentage of close minded people that will choose another product just because said person disagrees with what a company says about something that is debatable. Was that simple enough for you to understand?
Thanks
Ben

xcapri79 wrote: »

I would like to see the peanut gallery stay quiet and allow for some intelligent discourse on this.

So I guess we won't be hearing from you again for awhile. :rolleyes:

He had to edit his posts how many times.:rolleyes:
I think he is mad because he hasn't made any friends yet:(
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/member.php?u=81019

Keiko wrote: »

You're going to be waiting for forever and a day Ben. Just a hypothesis, but I bet 79 Ford likes peanutbutter PIE. :rolleyes:

OK maybe I was a little rough. I'll even make it a little easier.
X-crappie please just say anything intelligent. It doesn't even have to pertain to audio if that helps.
Thanks
Ben

xcapri79 wrote: »

DK makes an eloquent argument to support this but so do those who support faith-healing as a cure for cancer.

Faith has nothing to do with the improvement in the reproduction of sound we are discussing. I don't believe anyone here is saying they base their findings on faith. We simply install and listen to a variety of cables.

xcapri79 wrote: »

. . . it is unfortunate that forums such as this are used to promote them, instead of debunking them . . .

What ??? Forum members aren't allowed to have and express their opinions?

xcapri79 wrote: »

What is Polk Audio's official position on this?

You might have missed the thread, but Polk used to produce higher quality, higher priced cables.

xcapri79 wrote: »

I would like to see the peanut gallery stay quiet and allow for some intelligent discourse on this.

So those who disagree with your opinion are the "peanut gallery" and only your anti high-line cable agenda is to be allowed?

I've always gotten great advice here. I'm sorry you haven't. Why don't you cut the negative rhetoric, settle in, and try to improve the sound of your system instead of bashing those who do, because that's what this forum is really about.

bikezappa wrote: »

It is very clear that most of the posters in this forum beleive that line cords, ICs and speaker wires have a dramatic effect on the sound of their equipment. Just because they are a majority it doesn't make them correct however. It is just amazing that this dramatic effect can't be demonstared with DBTing.

I don't say they are making up this belief or they are trying to fool people, I just politely ask how can this be? Can you demonstrate it or expalin it based on electrical laws. Their response is to call me names and snicker and refer me to web sites of companies that sell these wires.

Doesn't that response tell you something dear reader?

Anyway the debate if you can call it that has run it's course unless there are new names to call me or some new data to demonstrate their experience with wires?

You can beleive what you want about wires and if it helps you enjoy music that's great. That's what is all about - having fun listening to music on your system.

I'm glad for you all of you.

My suggest for the name of the haters club would "Logic".

The beauty of the laws of electrical engineering to me is that every thing electrical can be summarized as a mixture/combination of resistance, capacitance and inductance. There are simple and complex laws and formulas that predict the performance of these circuits. Many smart people have been trying to understand and make electrical things for you to use. Just don't let vodoo electrical BS confuse you.

Look, I don't know how it works for you, but I have a 28X28 finished area of walk my out basement that comprises my home office and my "man cave"

One 28' wall contains 2 complete rigs driving tweaked Polk SDA-2B's and tweaked Polk SDA SRS 2's. When I say tweaked, I mean new Sonicaps, resistors, RDO198-1's, Mortite and Dynamat, Cardas connectors and silver wire SDA interconnects. No they are not 10K speakers, but the sound is very good and revealing. Fortunately, the music side of the room allows for perfect placement of the SDA's and my favorite leather recliner.

I have several tape decks, cd players and turntables and an assortment or speaker cables and interconnects that I can easily change out.

I'm very connected to how the system sounds as I listen to music 8 to 10 hours per day while in the office, so I've had thousands of hours to swap components in and out. I swap a component, and then work with the music is in the background.

When I get sucked away from my desk chair and into that recliner, reaching for the remote to kick up the volume, with a big grin on my face and the hair on the back of my neck standing up, I know I've found a new component that's a keeper. That's how I tested 7 different main speaker cables to get to what many might consider the crazy priced **** I'm enjoying today.

I guess it would be nice to have some kind of electronic meter that does it for you, but that would sure take the fun out of what is after all, just a wonderful hobby.

Maybe it's like a painting where the artist is never satisfied with the first layer of paint. We eventually craft "masterpiece" sound that many appreciate, but there is no technical recipe to define it. It's our own unique creation.


PS.: It's a bit ironic, but when I started I was skeptical too. I was gifted or spent thousands of dollars climbing the "cable ladder" to get to the cables I have in play today. One of the senior members in the group shared where he thought the real improvements began before I started. I ended up just one rung above that initial recommendation.